Posted on 11/01/2011 5:31:05 PM PDT by WPaCon
Hi, everybody. Right now, I am beginning to consider buying a new car. As with all purchases, I try to support only companies that conservatives can support in good conscience. I've been doing some research lately, but not all information is easy to come by concerning car manufacturers. Since buying a car is a major purchasing decision that requires giving a large amount of money to a company, I've decided to also consult the experts: freepers. So what car companies should a conservative have the least trouble supporting based on things such as employing union labor, corporate donations, locations of production facilities, corporate pandering to the homosexual lobby, accepting government bailouts, etc.?
Does Bob cover how fantastic the bailouts were in his book? I love him because he is one of the few real car guys left, but he was a big pusher for the Gov't intervention and the mess we have today. How many people are not buying GM and Chrysler anymore thanks to Bailout Bob's style of thinking?
And American companies own Opel, Vauxhall, Austin-Martin, Automobile Craiova, Ford Brazil, the list goes on. Foreign ownership goes both ways.
Yes, let’s buy from the Big 3. Keep the profits here! I mean, how else are we going to fund the UAW, leftist causes, and the DEMOCRAT PARTY.
I would sooner have profits sent overseas rather than give it to those organizations who are bent on our economic destruction and on removing our freedom, economic or otherwise. Blind allegiance to “Buy American” is what is terminally stupid. Yet you (and 1 other poster), choose to insult the rest of us! Well, it is funny and it does require some gall, I will give you that.
Toyota, Honda, BMW, etc may be based overseas, but they each have thousands of salaried and hourly employees who are paid through their sales and manufacturing operations here. Not to mention thousands of shareholders here in the U.S. Do you not think that the Big 3 have foreign shareholders? Are you so naive as to think that the money stays here? Ask yourself, what kind of track history in philanthropy does the Ford Foundation have? Sorry, I cannot and will not support those organizations.
Even if employees in Japan or Germany are unionized. Those unions are not here advocating policies that will economically destroy this country. The UAW, other unions, Democrats, and the useful idiots who support them are.
In case you did not know, or you forgot, we have a consumption based, free-market economy. At least in theory anyways. As consumers, it is our job to find the best product for the best price, or added value, if you will. If even or close on most of that criteria, there is nothing wrong with deciding based upon where the profits of the corporation are spent. Me, I feel much better giving money to Germany or Japan. They are at least smart enough to know that it is dumb to kill the golden goose.
Keep giving your money to the UAW, the Democrats, Obama, and other statist causes. Me, I choose not to do so but I will not be insulted by you. One of my biggest pet peeves are ignorant people insinuating that I am ignorant because it is not possible for me to sink their level of stupidity.
Whatever you choose, consider buying a demo from the car dealership. The owners, managers and salesmen are usually given a demo car to use. It knocks thousands off the price of a new car and the cars are always well maintained at the dealership. They also don’t put alot of miles on them. It’s the best deal you’ll ever get.
Thanks for the advice.
I would have never thought of doing that.
Dumb post of the year not to mention unAmerican. I suppose you are another wacko libertarian globalist
Honda is a good choice. There can be no valid criticism of that company on political grounds.
The decision is economic in nature. Honda provides great value for the expended $$. To optimize that value, rather than new, the greatest value can be had by searching for a low mileage used Honda.
A properly maintained new Honda will serve you well for a long time and many many miles
If the US would lose Ford, GM, Chrysler, what's to stop Toyota from pulling up shop in the USA and moving everything back to Japan or low cost nations? Nothing. I prefer to buy from American owners. Toyota is owned by 80% Japanese corporations and individuals, so the shareholder argument doesn't wash.
Your dollars spent on Japanese cars are just going back to Japan to finance their nationalized health care and liberal social policies (their government is center-left). Also, the Japanese government has repeatedly employed protectionist policies to benefit their domestic manufacturers. Their version of the "Cash for Clunkers" program excluded American cars. Why would you support socialist policies for Japan in lieu of supporting American-owned companies? That doesn't even make sense.
And, not all UAW members are leftist or socialist...many of them are blue collar conservatives forced into the union. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of non-union employees working for suppliers of US automakers. It makes no sense, to me, why any American would support foreign automakers over American-owned. But, then again, I'm someone who always checks out the "Made In..." tags on all products (not just cars).
I have always bought American cars (I currently own an old F150 and an old Caravan for my wife), but after two of the three major companies were bailed out and seeing who the Ford Foundation donates to, I’m not sure who is the best to buy from.
Hence my thread.
Well, Toyota is listed as a 100% pro-gay rights corporation by HRC (some LGBT group), so I don't think you'll have any success trying to weed out companies based on that agenda.
As you can see from this thread, there is no perfect answer. Kinda like picking the perfect candidate. A few thoughts...
1. This discussion only matters if you are purchasing a “new” car. Only then will some of your purchasing money go somewhere you don’t want it to. I recently purchased a cream puff 2001 Cadillac Seville STS. Love it and no money went to support partial birth abortions, ect.
2. There’s no such thing as an American Made car. Only different levels of American content. For example, virtually 100% of plastic pieces are sourced from china for all cars.
3. The UAW is democratic evil. If buying new I’d never get a car out of a UAW plant.
That leaves you with American plant, non union, high American content (and for you, non-ford). I’d suggest Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Subaru, KIA, Hyundai, or BMW. Just be careful the the car your taking delivery of has come from a US plant.
Or just buy a nice used car and get what you want and have a clear conscious. Good luck.
I guess the final assembly point being Hermosillo, Mexico keeps some down yonder at home...it is well put together.
Does GM support partial birth abortion?
No, I actually have a working brain. Nice ad hominem attack though. I know it was too much to hope that you actually address the facts in my post. Keep your head in the sand, ignorance in the magnitude of yours make all conservatives look dumb.
I don’t care what the unions in other countries are doing! I don’t care if their country is leftist as much as I care about the survival and direction of my own. So your solution to that is to fund the leftists here so the ones in other countries are less powerful. And to think, your buddy dennisw accused ME of being a wacko globalist!
No, not all union members are leftist. But their leadership is and so are the candidates and causes they contribute to. Also, by supporting the Big Three, you also support the US Steelworkers Union, Teamsters, IBEW, and other unions.
My point here was, you and your buddy were insinuating that the rest of us were stupid or ignorant because we do not adhere to blind allegiance to the “buy American” meme. Neither of you can refute anything that I have said in my post. And while you did not do this, the only argument others have is name calling. Which I find to be funny when this person knows exactly nothing about me.
Either way, I choose to send my money to the company who gives me the most value for my dollar. All other things being equal, I send it someplace where the Democrat Party, Obama, the Gay Nazis and the Envirowhackos will not benefit as much from it so they can make all of our lives a living hell. If that makes me ignorant, then this country really is doomed.
“Does GM support partial birth abortion?”
Yes. But not just GM. The UAW give tens of millions to democrats in each election cycle. Dems, including Obama, support all sorts of social evil including partial birth abortions. Therefore, if you buy a new car from ANY union company you are giving some of your money directly to Dems. GM is particularly bad due to the bailout. 40 billion of our tax dollars went straight to the unions with much of going straight back to the dems to weave their evil craft. It really was a large money laundering scheme.
Well, yeah, I have the daily driver V6 :) Now compare it to the Zl1 for 2012, not to mention the Camaro looks better than teh Mustang even on a bad hair day!
(When they make a Z28 again, and they better, I will be trading in the 6)
Not to mention Ford had to rush that to production because the 2010 GT was getting its butt kicked, so you are comparing apples to oranges. It would be more fair to compare the 5.0 to the Zl1 and you lose that one!
And no self respecting Chevy guy could ever like a Ford. I really wanted a Pontiac Trans Am, but that was killed along with my dreams!
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