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The Forbes article she references is here.
1 posted on 11/02/2011 3:17:25 AM PDT by markomalley
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Oh, and by the way, I should have tagged the post with a “barf alert” — my apologies.


2 posted on 11/02/2011 3:18:11 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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Default is inevitable, and not just in Greece.


3 posted on 11/02/2011 3:19:46 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I won't vote for Romney. I won't vote for Perry.)
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Wow.


4 posted on 11/02/2011 3:30:36 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: markomalley

Writer posted an update that makes it clear that he was not advocating a coup...per se, he was pointing out that it would theoritically solve some of the problems.

The EU was so hungry for expansion they made a huge blunder in admitting Greece to the EU, and pretty much everyone with half a brain knew it at the time, now the bill is come due and no one wishes to pay it..in true socialistic fashion.

As long as Govt’s continue to guarantee investor’s profits, this will happen over and over and over again, at least the people of Iceland stood up for National Sovereignty and said “tough luck” to the banksters who duned them for payment.


5 posted on 11/02/2011 3:32:51 AM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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Greed Works


6 posted on 11/02/2011 3:40:50 AM PDT by ninonitti
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Will Pappendreau plebicite grease Greek slide into a Hell(istic) hole ?


9 posted on 11/02/2011 4:05:53 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (BTW Romney suppTo punish a province let it be ruled by a professor Fredrick The Great paraphrased)
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Hell, it worked out really in Chile. OK, it was a little messy to start with but look where Chile is today.


10 posted on 11/02/2011 4:06:14 AM PDT by WellyP (REAL)
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Regardless of whether Greece remains in the EU or defaults & brings back the Drachma, middle & lower income Greeks are going to suffer massively, losing their savings, retirements, jobs, & gov’t subsidies.

So, whatever the EU does re. Greece, they can't help these people. Greece is too far gone.

Forcing Greece into default & out of the EU MIGHT convince the rest of the PIIGS & their people to do the difficult things necessary to get their budgets in order & remain in the union. The EU is throwing good money after bad with these futile, unappreciated bailouts.

13 posted on 11/02/2011 4:16:16 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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Useful idiots take not. Greece was the perfect leftist-socialist state. Lavish social and public sector spending far beyond its capabilities.

What happened? It excess eventually threatened the greater socialist machine, and that machine turned on it in a second.

Those on the government teat here, should take a good hard look at what their masters are willing to do with them when the time comes.


14 posted on 11/02/2011 4:30:09 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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Have there been any good estimates of where all the money went?

Greeks and USA?

We all know it went down some rat hole, where?


15 posted on 11/02/2011 4:42:52 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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Greece entered NATO in 1952, and the right wing was largely in control with strong American financial backing. The move to the right culminated in a military coup in 1967 that lasted until 1974. During that period, many of the remaining left wing sympathizers were imprisoned and/or deported. The fall of the dictatorship in 1974 opened up Greece's entry into the EU. It applied for EEC membership in 1975 and entered in 1981. Also in 1975 Andreas Papandreau formed PASOK, the modern day socialist party in Greece. Further, the communist party was legalized and a new constitution that guaranteed individual rights and free elections was put in place. Importantly, it was not until 1975 that Greece even had a democracy post WWII. In 1981, PASOK took control of the government and allowed communist fighters from WWII to return from the eastern bloc to reestablish their estates. These fighters and many others that fought through the struggle with fascism were awarded generous state pensions. It was Andreas Papandreou in the 1980s who took Greece down the path of excess political patronage, excess debt and unsustainable budgets. It was a massive wealth redistribution process that not only came from within Greece, but more importantly from within the European Economic Community (the EEC).

Papandreou threatened leaving NATO and the EEC to secure constant funding from the West. In fact, in 1985, he blocked the admission of Spain and Portugal into the EEC until he was given nearly 30 billion in EEC funds. Jaques Delors finally caved! There is a constant and overriding theme in post WWII Greek politics: the world has used Greece as a pawn, and hence the world owes us. The Germans, the British and the Americans kept Greece from democracy and freedom until the late 70s. It suited their wartime aspirations. And while we in the US were going through the Reagan revolution in the 80s, the Greeks were still trying to right the many perceived wrongs from the WWII and Cold War battles. Much of Greece's debt troubles can be traced back to reparations for the tragedies associated with those two wars. There are strong senses of entitlement, retribution and redistribution that have taken Greece down this path of excess debt for the last 30 years. The political culture of redistribution that came with freedom in the 1980s, morphed into a culture of unsustainable state entitlement.

Perspectives on the Crisis in Europe

17 posted on 11/02/2011 4:59:13 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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It is the same people who now have hundreds of millions of Euros in off-shores and bank deposits in Switzerland and couldn’t care less if this country is going to burn down.

Is that a good idea, keeping your off-shore money in euros?

23 posted on 11/02/2011 6:07:39 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (999er for Cain.)
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In other news, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2801422/posts reports the top Greek military leaders were just replaced, perhaps in fear of a coup.


26 posted on 11/02/2011 8:34:22 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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Why don’t they hunt down the country’s elite, the tax evaders, the corrupted politicians, the businessmen and the ship owners who made trillions at the expense of ordinary Greeks?

Because you can't put the air back in the bubble after it pops.

27 posted on 11/02/2011 8:42:51 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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The mask covering today’s internationalist (Multi-cultural) business ideology slips.

Corporate idiots are supporting corrupt American politicans who permit them access to the US treasury and who stand against the untidiness of the US constitution. That is why they give money to Obammy. Soros is definently a fascist.


38 posted on 11/02/2011 11:11:57 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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