Posted on 11/02/2011 11:41:45 AM PDT by isaiah55version11_0
A physicist in Italy claims to have demonstrated a new type of power plant that provides safe, cheap and virtually unlimited nuclear power to the world, without fossil fuels or radiation concerns.
The only hitch: Scientists say the method -- cold fusion -- is patently impossible. They say it defies the laws of physics.
Andrea Rossi doesn't seem to care. He told FoxNews.com that his new device takes in nickel and hydrogen and fuses them in a low-grade nuclear reaction that essentially spits out sheer power, validating the strange science.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
” PhD Analytical Chemist”
OK, then why don’t you give us the equation by which his device works since you claim to understand the report? Go ahead, we’ll wait. Describe it the best you can. No hurry. So far, Rossi hasn’t, not even in his patent application.
Get a clue, troll. I've never said I understand the "theory" by which his device works. But I "do" understand, in depth, the analytical measurements made and their strengths and weaknesses. Most of the critiques of their "failings" are simply and flatly wrong. The early demonstrations were completely sufficient to prove that the device works (unless, of course, he exactly faked the data for all of the measurement methods.....highly unlikely).
I remember watching ABC News lead story on Pons and Fleichman back in ‘86 or so. I’ll have to see my power bill shrink before I’ll believe it.
There. Fixed it for you. You didn't measure squat and neither has anyone with any level of reasonable scientific instruments. I, too, have years of instrumentation experience and Rossi's scam is highly uninstrumented, as a scam would be.
So, your touted a PhD in Chemistry, yet, you cannot possibly write an equation that explains Rossi's stated elemental composition, much less any cold fusion nuclear reaction. In other words, you don't know and he hasn't said, yet, you state you totally believe in his work as having been proven. So much for any science background you claim. Scientists don't go on "I promise it works. Really, honest!"
Basically, the customer signed off on the test and put his money down and drove off with the device. The crappy demo was enough to sway this first customer. There are two more lined up, probably several more in the wings.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2800077/posts
Unfortunately, if Rossi hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps, created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos, bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow, arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real, got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field, got Bushnell to make a fool of himself, sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan – the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes and knows that they will just take his word for it and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out – then all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses .
If Rossi is planning to scam millions, he could easily corrupt that number of people (plus some of the cold fusion guys were kooks long before Rossi came along), and set up a series of “crappy” demos.
And since everything news worthy that could be said about the Rossi invention could be summarized in a few paragraphs the story itself has become the news.
The news is that all one has to do is take the bits and scraps of cloth dropped by Rossi and Co. and sew them into some sort of garment so the Emperor won't be embarrassed much. But that's a lot of sewing and stitching.
So the title of this thread suggests either enough covering material has been provided for flowing robes and capes or, or just enough to make something that looks like a Speedo on a fat man.
Despite the breathless blogs and knowing novices the whole story is simply, contra the either/or statement, is that Rossi can claim a modest success for himself.
He built his machine and found a customer...he says. Good enough.
All the hand clapping and high fives about changing the world and weaning Western civilization off petroleum is nonsense and wishful thinking if it may be called thinking at all.
Hopefully some independent third party will test and dismantle one of these e-cats and provide an honest evaluation of its worth, without feeling the need to proclaim it the salvation of the world or a criminal enterprise.
That would be a fitting close to Act III of this comic opera.
All right, since you're also an expert in instrumentation, what measurements were missing???
What instruments were present...that you can prove existed and were in fact measuring? None. Thought so.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.
55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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That was sorta long-winded, ham-fisted, uncompelling writing.
wishful thinking if it may be called thinking at all.
***Then why is it that there are so many distortions, classic fallacies and troll tactics coming from the squawkish feathered detractor brigade?
Obviously, you have neither watched the videos, nor read the primary reports. The instrumentation is there, and can be watched in action, in videos NOT taken by Rossi.
Since you're such a whiz, you "should" be capable of telling me what measurements the should have been done, were not.
“Then why is it that there are so many distortions, classic fallacies and troll tactics coming from the squawkish feathered detractor brigade?”
To match the wild claims that the philosopher's stone has appeared in the form of a water heater? That Utopia is to be constructed around a shipping container?
But I don't try to read minds and motives.
To match the wild claims that
***Wild claims are not classic fallacies, they are not distorted nor are they troll tactics. So your point about wishful thinking “if you could call it thinking” is completely refuted.
“completely refuted.” huh? If you say so. I just won’t post again until I feel like doing so and that might be anytime now....or not.
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