Posted on 11/08/2011 11:40:43 AM PST by bjorn14
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Joe Paterno’s tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be over, perhaps within days or weeks, in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal that has implicated university officials, according to two people briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.
The board of trustees has yet to determine the precise timing of Paterno’s exit, but it is clear that the man who has more victories than any other coach at college football’s top level and who made Penn State a prestigious national brand will not survive to coach another season. Discussions about how to manage his departure have begun, according to the two people.
Paterno was to have held a news conference Tuesday but the university canceled it less than an hour before it was scheduled to start.
At age 84 and with 46 seasons as the Penn State head coach behind him, Paterno’s extraordinary run of success — one that produced tens of millions of dollars for the school and two national championships, and that established him as one of the nation’s most revered leaders, will end with a stunning and humiliating final chapter.
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Give me a break. Are you saying that Joe couldn't stop Sandusky from using his showers to molest little boys? Give me a break!
They are being more gracious than Joe deserves over this, letting him retire. They need him and anyone remotely connected to this GONE, ASAP.
If not it will be a fiscal disaster for the university as Alumni and Endowments pull their donations from PSU.
The school officials urged her to 'carefully' consider the consequences of reporting this.
Fortunately, she immediately left the school with her son and reported it to child services. If she had taken the school officials 'advice' Sandusky would still be raping.
I'll go further than that. McQueary was in his late 20s, something like 6'4" or 6"5, a former football player in his athletic prime. Sandusky was in his mid- to late-60s.
McQueary should have stopped the rape and physically restrained Sandusky while he called the police. If Sandusky happened to accidentally slip on the soap and hit his head against the tile several times, or miraculously slip upwards and impale himself by the shower head on his rectum while the police were on their way . . . well . . . those thiings happen.
McQueary was a coward and his behavior was probably the most reprehensible of anybody in the bunch.
BTW, if you look at the Grand Jury Report you'll notice that another incident of child sex abuse by Sandusky was observed by a janitor, who couldn't bring himself to make a report. Maybe if we try real hard we'll find a way to blame Paterno for that.
JoePa knew what went on in his house. If one of JoePa's players broke curfew twenty miles away, JoePa knew about it. When the janitor observed Sandusky abusing the child (I'm not going back to the two GJ documents, and I don't recall if this is my Penn State source or the GJ, but this was when he had the kid against the wall and Sandusky was orally sodomizing him, right, in 2000?), he may not have told the police, but you can bet JoePa found out about it. Those were JoePa's showers.
Are you kidding me? You don’t think JoePa could not fire (or have fired) anyone for any reason?
When the President of the University showed up a few years ago at his door to tell him it was time for him to go, he polited told them don’t fall down the steps as you leave.
Joe’s power was virtually absolute at PSU.
Protecting the “program” trumped protecting kids, nothing more complicated than this. I have no doubt anyone who said or did anything that threated the program would have found themselves unemployed at the least, personally destroyed at the worst.
Which is why, I do believe that as more stones get uncovered you will find that the State College Police were also likely involved in covering this stuff up as well. That is conjecture on my point, I freely admit, but I would say odds are better than even as sunlight shines on this mess, that that will come out.
Fact: In 2002 Sandusky was caught accused of raping doing something with a little boy in Joe's Penn State's shower room.
Paterno was told. Paterno gave it to the guy who was supposed to handle such accusations.
What did the university do? They gave Sandusky the keys to the shower room when he retired?
BINGO
GJ Report, page 5, line 13. When the mother reported it to the school, the school immediately barred Sandusky from the school and reported the matter to authorities as mandated by law.
The school officials urged her to 'carefully' consider the consequences of reporting this.
Did I overlook this in the report? Where are you finding this? I see GJ Report, page 5, line 13.
Not suprised at all, State College is a small town, and the PSU is the only reason anyone even knows it exists. That entire area is dependent on PSU and PSU football.. I wish I could say I was shocked by what these school officials did, but I’m not.
In fact, they probably too were well aware of what was going on. They would have to be. Some stranger, non related, cannot check a kid out of a school without prior parental consent, yet Sandusky was doing this, obviously without parental consent. This probably wasn’t the first boy the school had accomadated Mr. Sandusky with over the years!
I hope to God the State is investigating the school district as well, and issues indictments there as well.
This is going to get very very very ugly folks.
They did what they were legally required to do once the mother challenged it, but legally they should have never been letting Sandusky take the child from school in the first place.
Folks in that school are beyond complicit in this.
That's where I'm thinking that things are getting paranoid.
Tribune,
You obviously don’t understand remotely the power that Joe Pa has (had) at PSU. Joe is not simply a College Coach, he is the program, he is the school, period. NOTHING and I mean NOTHING happens related to PSU football or its facilities that Joe Pa cannot or does not know about or have say over. If Joe Pa had said, Sandusky can’t use my facilities, believe me, he wasn’t going to be using the facilities, period.
This is a guy whos power was so absolute, that when his supposed boss showed up at his house a few years ago to tell it was time to retire, he simply dismissed him and told him to not fall down the steps as he left.
No one, and I do mean NO ONE at PSU or in State College weilds more power than Joe Pa. To think it is any other way, shows complete ignorance of just exactly how things are up at State College, PA. Sure others have bigger titles, and technically there are others above him on paper in terms of the heirarchy, but that’s only on paper.
Prior to this incident, had the president of the university, or dean and Joe Pa had a feud, the President or the Dean would be the one leaving. That’s not hyperbole or exaggeration, that’s just honestly how it is.
Ask ANYONE who’s been around or involved with that university for decades and they will tell you the same thing. At PSU, Joe Pa is the King, period.
If you believe that, it is blindingly obvious you have never been to State College, PA.
I'm no where near that big and I like to think I would have beaten Sandusky to a bloody pulp.
With regard to things going on with Paterno's knowledge, people like Sandusky are known to be pretty good about hiding their true nature and their activities.
I'm inclined not to endow Paterno with omniscience and give him the benefit of doubt until shown otherwise.
And even if you suspect something, you still can't act on suspicion. Sandusky was basically cleared in the first investigation.
Sure. The school did it AFTER she left knowing she was going straight to child services.
Did I overlook this in the report? Where are you finding this? I see GJ Report, page 5, line 13.
You overlooked the first sentence of my post.
When did he get demoted (to King)?
“With regard to things going on with Paterno’s knowledge, people like Sandusky are known to be pretty good about hiding their true nature and their activities.”
REALLY! People we knew that knew Sandusky raped little boys.
President Spanier
AD Curley
VP Schultz
PSU Attorney Courtney
Second Mile Attorney Courtney
University Police
State College Police
Child Services
County DA Gricar
County Prosecutors
Coach McQueary
Various elementary and high school officials
Second Mile officials
Joe Paterno’s staff including down to the janitors
Huh? They had him on tape admitting he had molested a boy in Joe's locker room! GIVE ME A BREAK!
GIVE ME A BREAK. He was on tape admitting to molesting a young boy in Joe's shower room and the police wanted charges filed. The county DA would not prosecute. We don't know why and no one has seen or heard from him lately. His wife had to get him legally declared dead so she could go on with her life.
The strongly argued claim here is that Paterno is all-knowing and all-powerful in Happy Valley and covered up Sandusky's acts for the good of the all-important football program.
I'm not buying that as of yet. My belief is that Sandusky had him and a lot of people fooled, and that Paterno actually trusted Curley and Schultz to do a decent investigation regarding McQueary's claim.
I suspect that there might have been a little bit of self-denial on his part as well (I've known Sandusky for 30 years, I know his kids etc.)
Of course, I could be wrong and that it turn out that JoePa is a cynical cold-hearted, power-hungry bastard capable of anything.
But I don't get that from the Grand Jury report, and I'm not inclined to put him there yet.
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