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Casey, Toomey Withdraw Support for Paterno Medal of Freedom Bid
NBC Philadelphia ^ | 11 November 11 | Catherine Brown

Posted on 11/11/2011 11:12:59 AM PST by bjorn14

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1 posted on 11/11/2011 11:13:05 AM PST by bjorn14
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To: bjorn14

I don’t see how these guys didn’t see this coming. Its been bubbling up for at least a year. And they could have talked to Corbett first. He knew the details and could have warned them not to do it.


2 posted on 11/11/2011 11:17:13 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: bjorn14

BFD, if they want to impress me, go after Bawney Frank.


3 posted on 11/11/2011 11:18:24 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: bjorn14

The facts will shake out. I have friends that donate a lot (like 7 figures) to Penn State. Paterno is being scape goated. Corbett is in trouble. I voted for Corbett, but it could get really ugly for him soon (hint: he was the AG of PA a few years ago).


4 posted on 11/11/2011 11:23:42 AM PST by Tulane
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To: Tulane

EXACTLY!

ALL THIS IS COVERING FOR CORBETT

MAKES ME SICK WHAT THEY DID TO JOE


5 posted on 11/11/2011 11:37:23 AM PST by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: SF_Redux

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_child_sex-abuse_sca.html

MORE INVESTIGATION AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL IS REQUIRED

It’s really a shame because there are so many unanswered questions right now that people are just out to hang anyone and everyone involved, without knowing all of the details. Apparently after the 2002 incident, police WERE notified, however, they never filed any charges OR reports. Nobody is questioning the police depts or officers. That right there could clear many people who knew (ie Paterno, Mcqueary, etc), at the time that law enforcement WAS infact involved.

There’s also the situation with the district attorney up there who coincidentally, has been missing since the incident and has now been declared legally dead. If police were notified and later hush hushed, so to was the then DA who has never been seen or heard from. And all of THAT leads to THIS. The DA would have reported it to the THEN Attorney General, who at that time, was Gov Corbett, who coincidentally, has been very involved in directing what happens within the PSU Board of Trustees. Making sure he covers his own butt?

Seems to me, there remain A LOT of unanswered questions that run all the way to the top in the state of PA, and if this conspiracy theory pans out, well, everything that SHOULD have happened from a moral perspective, DID happen. It was the powers above the morally intact Paterno, however, that tried to make sure everything stayed under the carpet....

In the end I believe Paterno will be cleared of the “moral obligation” witch hunt that everyone seems to have mounted, and all of the cats will be let out of the bag.

- Spanier knew and covered it up

- Police dept knew and was forced to cover it up

- DA Gricar knew and was paid off to make it go away, or was simply “taken care of”

- Attorney General Corbett was informed and made sure Spanier was cleared, the local PD was silenced, and the DA was made to “disappear”

And now, the only good person left that had any evidence of pushing forward in the investigation, was the DA and he’s “dead”

What happened there? In 1998, District Attorney Gricar for whatever reason, declined to press charges against Sandusky following allegations of sexual abuse and the DA eventually turned up missing. In 2005, fishermen discovered Gricar’s county-issued laptop computer in the Susquehanna River beneath a bridge between Lewisburg and Milton. A State computer expert analyzed the computer and found that its hard drive was missing. Divers searched the area of the river near where the laptop was found over the next several days, but found nothing else. Months later, a hard drive was recovered on the banks of the Susquehanna River about 100 yards from where the laptop was found and is believed to be Gricar’s, however, it was badly damaged and analysis by the FBI, US Secret Service, and the firm Kroll Ontrack, were all unable to recover any data from the hard drive. In April 2009 Bellefonte police revealed that before his disappearance, Gricar used his home computer to perform internet searches on topics such as “how to wreck a hard drive”, “how to fry a hard drive”, and “water damage to a notebook computer”. How a man who served for 20 years, could simply leave his family behind and never be seen or heard from again? FAR to mysterious if you ask me.

Ref;
Internet sources, including
http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/06/2976046/gricar-had-final-say-in-ending.html
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/133615093.html


6 posted on 11/11/2011 11:39:05 AM PST by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: SF_Redux

I have a friend from law school in the state house...let’s just say Corbett is in deep sh*t, and is doing everything he can to blame the most prominent media figure out there. Paterno is not the uncaring monster he is being portrayed to be. Paterno has lawyer-ed up, and is about to come out swinging.

For the record, I am not a Penn State fan. I do, however, have relatives and friends very close to the university. They are ashamed of how some in the university handled this...but the whole story is not out there...yet.


7 posted on 11/11/2011 11:47:06 AM PST by Tulane
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To: Tulane

Yes, he knew the deal but he couldn’t say a word because Grand Juries operate in secrecy. He could only discuss the case with people he brought with him from the AG’s office into the Governor’s office.


8 posted on 11/11/2011 11:49:28 AM PST by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard; dfwgator

This scandal has yet to begin:
http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/10/2551780/jerry-sandusky-rumors-penn-state-scandal


9 posted on 11/11/2011 11:49:56 AM PST by Kackikat
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To: SF_Redux

Check out following:
http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/10/2551780/jerry-sandusky-rumors-penn-state-scandal

Several articles on http://www.WryteStuff.com too.


10 posted on 11/11/2011 11:51:20 AM PST by Kackikat
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To: Tulane

Paterno is not being scape-goated so much as he is being torn apart and devoured by the bloodthirsty media, ala “Lord of the Flies”. Once they get the scent, the pack mentality takes over and these sub-humans forget anything they may have ever known about common decency.

The politicians, the university administrators, and the pundits are no better, each desperately trying to seize a phony moral highground. Not one of them has the cojones to say, “This is a lynching. It’s wrong to take such precipitous action without a full examination of all the facts, just to satisfy a mob of jackals.”


11 posted on 11/11/2011 11:56:46 AM PST by Walrus (Big media is the natural enemy of liberty)
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To: Walrus

>> “Paterno is not being scape-goated” <<

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Paterno committed at least one felony as an accessory.


12 posted on 11/11/2011 12:04:45 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Walrus

The facts are pretty much incriminating to them all..kids were abused...and they knew it...end of story.


13 posted on 11/11/2011 12:05:22 PM PST by caww
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To: Tulane
The facts will shake out. I have friends that donate a lot (like 7 figures) to Penn State. Paterno is being scape goated.

Exactly how is firing a guy that let his assistant coach and friend bang little boys in the PSU locker room 'scape goating'?

Corbett is in trouble. I voted for Corbett, but it could get really ugly for him soon (hint: he was the AG of PA a few years ago).

Why is Corbett in trouble? It has already gotten ugly and will get uglier. Your hint makes no sense. He was the one that started the investigation.

14 posted on 11/11/2011 12:10:54 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tulane
Paterno is not the uncaring monster he is being portrayed to be. Paterno has lawyer-ed up, and is about to come out swinging.

I saw the video of the rally in front of his house. I saw him laughing and smiling talking about how great this moment (the rally) was for him. Barely a word about the kids or scandal. It was all about Paterno. His mind just don't work right.

15 posted on 11/11/2011 12:14:22 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Kackikat
This scandal has yet to begin:

True. We have been discussing that over the last few days here.

16 posted on 11/11/2011 12:16:12 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

Why is Corbett in trouble? It has already gotten ugly and will get uglier. Your hint makes no sense. He was the one that started the investigation.
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Here’s another hint: How long did it take him to start the investigation?

Another: Which current governor was also a member of the Penn State BOT a few years ago?

With respect to Paterno: He reported the information to the AD (his boss) and the person in charge of SC police. He was given information about an investigation (which did not make the GJ indictment).

Trust me, the sh*t storm is just beginning.


17 posted on 11/11/2011 12:19:16 PM PST by Tulane
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To: NewinTexsas

I saw the video of the rally in front of his house. I saw him laughing and smiling talking about how great this moment (the rally) was for him. Barely a word about the kids or scandal. It was all about Paterno. His mind just don’t work right.
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He is 84. Does anybody’s mind work right at that age? In all seriousness, the supposed lack of reporting and following up on the part of Paterno will be debunked in the coming days or weeks. There was a reason his press conference was cancelled by the president.

Don’t take my word for it. Just wait and see.


18 posted on 11/11/2011 12:22:28 PM PST by Tulane
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To: Tulane

Sorry, but what a load of crap. Sandusky was in the offices of the Athletic department up until literally days ago. Legal procedures aside, there is no reason Paterno couldn’t have ensure that this creep had ZERO affiliation with the Penn State football program as soon as he heard the original allegation.

Paterno either believed it and did nothing, or chose to believe that a trusted assistant coach (McQueary) was a liar.


19 posted on 11/11/2011 12:26:37 PM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: Tulane

So Paterno hears direct, first hand knowledge from a trusted assistant that Sandusky was anally raping a 10 year old, and Paterno doesn’t even totally sever ties with Sandusky? Sorry, that alone is worthy of firing in my book. Its a horrible lack of judgement.


20 posted on 11/11/2011 12:29:42 PM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: Tulane
He is 84. Does anybody’s mind work right at that age? In all seriousness, the supposed lack of reporting and following up on the part of Paterno will be debunked in the coming days or weeks. There was a reason his press conference was cancelled by the president. Don’t take my word for it. Just wait and see.

Are you saying that Paterno didn't know that Sandusky raped boys? I think I will have to go mix a rum and coke a little early today ...

21 posted on 11/11/2011 12:29:53 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tulane
With respect to Paterno: He reported the information to the AD (his boss) and the person in charge of SC police.

Geez. Not this BS again. Curley (the AD) was charged for NOT reporting it to the police/Child Services ...

22 posted on 11/11/2011 12:32:06 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

I think I will have to go mix a rum and coke a little early today ...
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Make one for me.

What I am saying is the facts reported in the grand jury indictment as they relate to PSU admin, including Paterno, are not all the facts.


23 posted on 11/11/2011 12:35:40 PM PST by Tulane
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To: NewinTexsas

With respect to Paterno: He reported the information to the AD (his boss) and the person in charge of SC police.
Geez. Not this BS again. Curley (the AD) was charged for NOT reporting it to the police/Child Services ...
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SC police reported to Shultz.

Curly and Shultz were charged etc.

Just wait — forget Paterno for a second — there are other prominent people, including politicos, that will get drawn into this. Ugly all the way around.


24 posted on 11/11/2011 12:38:33 PM PST by Tulane
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To: Tulane
What I am saying is the facts reported in the grand jury indictment as they relate to PSU admin, including Paterno, are not all the facts.

Of course. I said that days ago. It is only enough to get charges against Curley and Schultz. Then the real fun begins. Paterno has agreed to testify against Curley and Schultz. He is listed as a cooperating witness.

Now you accuse Corbett in being in on a coverup? Back it up with some reasonable explaination Please.

25 posted on 11/11/2011 12:45:06 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: caww

“The facts are pretty much incriminating to them all...”

Oh, I get it now. “Pretty much incriminating” has now replaced “beyond reasonable doubt” as the standard.

That should take care of the criminal case backlog that’s been plaguing us.

Shame on you.


26 posted on 11/11/2011 12:46:13 PM PST by Walrus (Big media is the natural enemy of liberty)
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To: Tulane

“Just wait — forget Paterno for a second — there are other prominent people, including politicos, that will get drawn into this. Ugly all the way around.”

Perhaps you have not seen my list frequent posted here over the past several days.

People we know that knew Sandusky raped little boys.

President Spanier
AD Curley
VP Schultz
PSU Attorney Wendell Courtney
Second Mile Attorney Wendell Courtney
University Police (Detective Ronald Schreffler)
State College Police (Detective Ralph Ralston)
Department of Welfare (Investigator Jerry Lauro)
Child Services
County DA Gricar
County Prosecutors
Coach McQueary
Dr. McQueary (Chief Operating Officer/Administrative Director Centre Medical)
Coach Paterno
Various elementary and high school officials
John DiNunzio (Keystone Central School District Interim Superintendent)
Second Mile officials
Joe Paterno’s staff including down to the janitors

Still to be determined:

Media
NCAA Coaches (Nobody wanted him when he retired)
Board of Trustees


27 posted on 11/11/2011 12:46:48 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tulane
SC police reported to Shultz.

Schultz was NOT the head of the police as you stated nor was he a member of the police department.

28 posted on 11/11/2011 12:48:43 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tulane

Since you missed that part of my post, I will repeat my question.

Are you saying that Paterno didn’t know that Sandusky raped boys?


29 posted on 11/11/2011 12:50:00 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

Now you accuse Corbett in being in on a coverup? Back it up with some reasonable explaination Please.

___________________

I never wrote “cover-up.” Prosecution negligence...

When can I expect my rum and coke?


30 posted on 11/11/2011 12:50:06 PM PST by Tulane
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To: Walrus

Okay, it is absolutely incriminating, not pretty much incriminating. Or are you now suggesting that the head coach gets a pass for winking and nodding at a known pedophile, even for years after he is exposed, yet the coach allowed this perv to work with kids, suing the football facilities and program to find his victims? Are you proud to be displaying your lack of moral values? Paterno realizes he is also to blame for this continuing past 1998 or even 2002. What may be lost in all this is the crushing realization a good man like JoePa is suffering having come to the realization that he is culpable, that he could have done much to prevent this after 1998.


31 posted on 11/11/2011 12:50:56 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: NewinTexsas

Since you missed that part of my post, I will repeat my question.

Are you saying that Paterno didn’t know that Sandusky raped boys?
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No, I am saying he reported him and followed up. He did not buy a batman costume and go vigilante as some in the media seem to think he should have done. He was aware that the police were investigating Sandusky. What I am saying is, while Paterno is no saint...look beyond him...From what I am being told, Paterno reported Sandusky to PSU admin, was told of an ongoing investigation etc.

I am confident PSU admin covered it up. I am also confident that local PSU police did not do their jobs. And I am confident that state officials, especially one who sat on the board of trustees, are going to get a lot of splatter.


32 posted on 11/11/2011 12:54:14 PM PST by Tulane
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To: Tulane
He was aware that the police were investigating Sandusky.

Since the police were never contacted and no investigation was performed, how the heck was he aware of an investigation?

33 posted on 11/11/2011 12:56:25 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

SC police reported to Shultz.
Schultz was NOT the head of the police as you stated nor was he a member of the police department.
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They report to him. It’s like telling the Mayor of a crime. he isn’t chief of police, but they answer to him.


34 posted on 11/11/2011 12:57:41 PM PST by Tulane
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To: Tulane
I never wrote “cover-up.” Prosecution negligence...

Ok. I inferred that you had IMPLIED cover-up. Thanks.

35 posted on 11/11/2011 12:59:03 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tulane

Sorry, it’s Pennsylvania! Democrat politicos will nto be prosecuted over this beyond just local politics. I can see how even the Governors during this time could be culpable, but you will never see that investiagte in any way because democrats, the criminal enterprise party, control Pennsylvania in the position where it counts to cover the democrats’ criminality.


36 posted on 11/11/2011 12:59:12 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: NewinTexsas

He was aware that the police were investigating Sandusky.
Since the police were never contacted and no investigation was performed, how the heck was he aware of an investigation?
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That’s some of the facts that will come out. It’s going to be one hell of a mess.

Many more heads to roll.


37 posted on 11/11/2011 12:59:35 PM PST by Tulane
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To: Tulane
They report to him. It’s like telling the Mayor of a crime. he isn’t chief of police, but they answer to him.

Not according to the law or the PA AG.

38 posted on 11/11/2011 1:00:30 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: MHGinTN

Sorry, it’s Pennsylvania! Democrat politicos will nto be prosecuted over this beyond just local politics. I can see how even the Governors during this time could be culpable, but you will never see that investiagte in any way because democrats, the criminal enterprise party, control Pennsylvania in the position where it counts to cover the democrats’ criminality.
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The republican ones will.


39 posted on 11/11/2011 1:00:51 PM PST by Tulane
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To: Tulane
That’s some of the facts that will come out. It’s going to be one hell of a mess.

You made a statement of fact. Are you saying that it will come out that there was a police investigation? That would be contrary to the grand jury report. I guess heads would roll?

40 posted on 11/11/2011 1:02:38 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

That’s some of the facts that will come out. It’s going to be one hell of a mess.
You made a statement of fact. Are you saying that it will come out that there was a police investigation? That would be contrary to the grand jury report. I guess heads would roll?
________________

No, I am sorry for confusion...there were things that went down with the 1998 incident that were buried (that was a police investigation)...there were also PSU admin after the 2002 incident that were stating an investigation had occurred, but nothing was uncovered (major BS that directly contradicts statements made to the GJ). In addition to the 2 already charged with Perjury, there were other higher ups that knew, did nothing, or actively buried.

It will be extremely messy.


41 posted on 11/11/2011 1:11:12 PM PST by Tulane
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To: Tulane

Did you miss my list that I started about five days ago? Most of the list related directly to the 1998 case. You have nothing new here.

People we know that knew Sandusky raped little boys.

President Spanier
AD Curley
VP Schultz
PSU Attorney Wendell Courtney
Second Mile Attorney Wendell Courtney
University Police (Detective Ronald Schreffler)
State College Police (Detective Ralph Ralston)
Department of Welfare (Investigator Jerry Lauro)
Child Services
County DA Gricar
County Prosecutors
Coach McQueary
Dr. McQueary (Chief Operating Officer/Administrative Director Centre Medical)
Coach Paterno
Various elementary and high school officials
John DiNunzio (Keystone Central School District Interim Superintendent)
Second Mile officials
Joe Paterno’s staff including down to the janitors

Still to be determined:

Media
NCAA Coaches (Nobody wanted him when he retired)
Board of Trustees


42 posted on 11/11/2011 1:15:58 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tulane

Ah yes, the dance of ‘pedophiles in high places’ ... the demonic nature of such criminality just corrupts so thoroughly. Is it any wonder that the major political parties really avoid these issues like the plague, while pretending to fight against abortion, etc, or ‘protect the rights of women’? Evil has inveigled our society so deeply, perhaps it cannot be cleansed at this stage of degenerating. The American people worshipdegenerates like sinkEmperor clitnoon and barry bassturd, ignoring the diseased souls because they deliver some ‘gravy’. I suspect the Second Mile donors will have a few diseased members who need exposing in this evil, but the democrat and republicans in Pennsylvania are probably too woven into the connections to afford prosecuting and punishing the perverts.


43 posted on 11/11/2011 1:19:47 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: NewinTexsas

I wasn’t on except for maybe an hour total in past month or so, so missed that. Thanks


44 posted on 11/11/2011 1:20:59 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Kackikat
I wasn’t on except for maybe an hour total in past month or so, so missed that. Thanks

Google for Mark Madden and read/listen to him. He has been writing about this for months.

45 posted on 11/11/2011 1:27:40 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Kackikat

Several days ago, posters put 2+2=4 about the timing of Sandusky’s retirement related to the 1998 investigation. There is no direct evidence, yet.


46 posted on 11/11/2011 1:30:24 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

I read about the rumor Madden was discussing on another forum, the ‘pimping out’ of the young boys for donations to Penn State, but it hasn’t been on the radar yet; and waiting for proof to surface.
However, if that turns out to be true, it makes the District Atty Ray Gicar’s disappearance really important, as to why he vanished. It could be his life was in danger, and he became his own ‘witness protection program’ if high profile people were involved. Or he was murdered for investigating for more evidence on Sandusky. This is only speculation, with what I’m reading online.


47 posted on 11/11/2011 3:10:46 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: NewinTexsas

This whole thing is going to blow up in Penn State’s face, if the rumor is true....even so it will be years for anyone to trust a sports department again, where young children are concerned.
WHY Sandusky wasn’t told never to come back to the facilities on campus is beyond me, in 1998...then the shower incident seen in 2002, at what point do they get it?? Evidently, there is some reason the college did NOT reprimand beyond his 1998 retirement. That, in and of itself, is highly suspicious.


48 posted on 11/11/2011 3:14:26 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Kackikat
then the shower incident seen in 2002, at what point do they get it??

Somewhere a day or two after the grand jury report was released ...

49 posted on 11/11/2011 4:06:12 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: SF_Redux

There are no heros in this mess, not one. Everyone connected with that program knew something was not right. Paterno should have retired 15 years ago.


50 posted on 11/11/2011 4:09:52 PM PST by alarm rider (I took the pledge, I will never vote for another RINO, not now, not ever.)
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