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How is squatting a 1st amendment right? (vanity and serious question)

Posted on 11/16/2011 9:29:36 PM PST by Feline_AIDS

What is OWS's argument here? Why do they think they can live on public property for one night, much less indefinitely?

Is anyone denied a protest permit based on what he/she wants to protest? If not, what on earth is the argument for letting them stay at all?

Serious question.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; chat; dirtyhippies; gotakeabath; ows; vanity
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To: Feline_AIDS

Since deliberately wasting taxpayers’ money doesn’t qualify as “peaceably” assembling, they should’ve been disbanded after a reasonable amount of time for waving signs and chanting their socialist slogans. They have the right to fritter away their own money, not anyone else’s.


21 posted on 11/17/2011 1:05:53 AM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Feline_AIDS

Burning the US flag is a First Amendment right too according to our courts....go try burning a Muslim flag


22 posted on 11/17/2011 1:09:01 AM PST by dennisw (I heard the old man laughing What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having-Sting)
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To: Feline_AIDS

How about “Why are the protestors being allowed to break the law?”


23 posted on 11/17/2011 3:20:33 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Feline_AIDS
It depends upon WHO is doing the squatting. If, for instance, Pro Life were doing exactly as OWS are doing (without the viciousness and violence) they'd be rounded up and in jail in one day. This is not hyperbole.
24 posted on 11/17/2011 3:40:17 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Feline_AIDS

Try pitching a tent on your own front lawn and see how long you could get away with it.


25 posted on 11/17/2011 3:45:16 AM PST by almost done by half
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To: Feline_AIDS

Your 1st Amendment Rights DO NOT END WHEN YOU FALL ASLEEP.

Your 1st Amendment Rights DO NOT END WHEN YOU USE BATHROOM FACILITIES.

Your 1st Amendment Rights DO NOT END WHEN YOU CLEAN YOUR BODY.

Or do you prefer to limit the scope of the 1st Amendment permanently by threat of uniformed militarized gun-toting LEOs to suit your particular set of mores and taboos?


26 posted on 11/17/2011 3:58:59 AM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: TalBlack
If, for instance, Pro Life were doing exactly as OWS are doing (without the viciousness and violence) they'd be rounded up and in jail in one day.

You have nailed it! In fact, in the case of pro-lifers, they do not even have the full access that the OWS crowd does. There are severe restrictions on where pro-lifers may stand, pray, etc. Of course, they abide by them, but I have seen the police walking along to check that they don't have so much as a toe over the line.

27 posted on 11/17/2011 4:21:41 AM PST by livius
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To: Feline_AIDS
How is squatting a 1st amendment right?

It isn't. Nothing prevents them from demonstrating daily from now until the rapture. And the city setting limits on people living in parks doesn't interfere with that.

28 posted on 11/17/2011 4:23:51 AM PST by SoJoCo
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To: Olog-hai
Yes it is privately owned but it is a public park, one of those we will doo this as part of our site plan to build our building.

I believe that the park is supposed to be open all hours, but the rules do not allow camping. I believe that the city would not let the property owners stop the camping at the beginning. The city most likey though no be deal they will only be here for a couple of nights and be gone. Boy were they wrong.

29 posted on 11/17/2011 4:28:18 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Feline_AIDS

The Project Gutenberg eBook, The Constitution of the United States of America: Analysis and Interpretation, Edited by Edward Corwin

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FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND PRESS IN PUBLIC PARKS AND STREETS

Notable also is the protection which the Court has erected in recent years for those who desire to use the streets and the public parks as theatres of discussion, agitation, and propaganda dissemination. In 1897 the Court unanimously sustained an ordinance of the city of Boston which provided that “no person shall, in or upon any of the public grounds, make any public address,” etc., “except in accordance with a permit of the Mayor,”[144] quoting with approval the following language from the decision of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court in the same case. “For the legislature absolutely or conditionally to forbid public speaking in a highway or public park is no more an infringement of the rights of a member of the public than for the owner of a private house to forbid it in the house. When no [Pg 785]proprietary right interferes the legislature may end the right of the public to enter upon the public place by putting an end to the dedication to public uses. So it may take the less step of limiting the public use to certain purposes.”[145] Forty-two years later this case was distinguished in Hague v. C.I.O.[146] (See p. 808.) And in 1948 in Saia v. New York[147] an ordinance forbidding the use of sound amplification devices by which sound is cast directly upon the streets and public places, except with permission of the chief of police, for the exercise of whose discretion no standards were prescribed, was held unconstitutional as applied to one seeking leave to amplify religious lectures in a public park. The decision was a five-to-four holding; and eight months later a majority, comprising the former dissenters and the Chief Justice, held it to be a permissible exercise of legislative discretion to bar sound trucks, with broadcasts of public interest, amplified to a loud and raucous volume, from the public ways of a municipality.[148] Conversely, it was within the power of the Public Utilities Commission of the District of Columbia, following a hearing and investigation, to issue an order permitting the Capital Transit Company, despite the protest of some of its patrons, to receive and amplify on its street cars and buses radio programs consisting generally of 90% music, 5% announcements, and 5% commercial advertising. Neither operation of the radio service nor the action of the Commission permitting it was precluded by the First and Fifth Amendments.[149]

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Under still unoverruled decisions an ordinance forbidding any distribution of circulars, handbills, advertising, or literature of any kind within the city limits without permission of the City Manager is an unlawful abridgment of freedom of the press.[150] So also are ordinances which forbid, without exception, any distributions of handbills upon the streets.[151] Even where such distribution involves a trespass upon private property in a company owned town,[152] or upon Government property in a defense housing development,[153] it cannot be stopped. The passing out of handbills containing commercial advertising may, however, be prohibited; this is true even where such handbills may contain some matter which, standing alone would be immune from the restriction.[154] A municipal ordinance forbidding any person to ring door bells, or otherwise summon to the door the occupants of any residence, for the purpose of distributing to them circulars or handbills was held to infringe freedom of speech and of the press as applied to a person distributing advertisements of a religious meeting.[155] But an ordinance forbidding door to door peddling or canvassing unless it is invited or requested by the occupant of a private residence is valid.[156]


30 posted on 11/17/2011 4:39:02 AM PST by decimon
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To: Feline_AIDS

Federal Judge in Southwest Florida ruled yesterday that the Fort Myers to allow OWS to camp out in a park. He said that he believes they have standing. They say that the park rules go against their 1st amendment right. For now they are allowed to stay and the city cannot enforce the laws.

We are coming apart at the seams.


31 posted on 11/17/2011 5:31:19 AM PST by bbernard
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