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No Excuses for Herman Cain (by Rich Lowry, editor of National Review)
Real Clear Politics ^ | Nov. 19, 2011 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 11/19/2011 8:52:46 AM PST by UniqueViews

Poor Rick Perry. His "brain freeze" is indelible, otherwise it would forever be eclipsed by Herman Cain's more cringe-inducing meanderings on Libya.

At a meeting with the editors of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Cain was asked whether he agreed with President Barack Obama's handling of Libya. You would think he had been asked who is the president of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan, Cain's joshing description of a prototypical gotcha foreign-policy question. What ensued was the longest five minutes of an editorial-board meeting ever.

As the inspiring outsider-businessman, Cain needn't sound like he's auditioning for the chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. But is it too much to ask that he sound like he reads the newspaper every day?

Republicans tend to be defensive of their own when they are criticized for substantive superficiality. They remember that "they said the same thing about Ronald Reagan." But Reagan was a two-term governor and repeat presidential candidate who had exhaustively thought through his views. He proved it's possible to be fearlessly anti-establishment and well informed at the same time. Herman Cain has yet to manage it.

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1 posted on 11/19/2011 8:52:50 AM PST by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews

Hmm Rush Limbaugh says Rick Lowrey’s analysis of this is moronic. I say I have to agree.

RUSH: Now, he said that twice. He said, “Well, I’m for collective bargaining as long as it’s not collective hijacking, and as long as it doesn’t create an undue burden on the state.” Again, the attempt here is to make it sound as though he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. But on Libya, when you listen to the whole interview, the whole question and answer, he ended up getting Libya right. His biggest mistake was admitting he was having a hard time focusing. He shouldn’t have said that in front of the enemy, the enemy being the editorial board, but he said I’m having a hard time focusing here.

Federal workers do have collective bargaining. Some of them do. Some federal workers do have collective bargaining. It’s not the same as in some of the states. For example, the air traffic controllers do have collective bargaining over their wages, and some federal workers only have collective bargaining rights over work conditions. Some of them have collective bargaining rights over other aspects, but not wages. It’s all over the ballpark. It is a mistake to say that federal workers, as the editorial board member here said, don’t have collective bargaining rights; some of them do.

In any event, substantively Cain was right. Substantively Cain got it right on collective bargaining for federal unionized workers, and the editors got it wrong. And even the Journal Sentinel article that accompanies the video eventually admitted that Cain got it right in his answer and their editors had it wrong. But no matter, they are attempting to portray via the video here a slow, ignorant, uninformed, unsure of himself candidate who really is just out classed and is just totally out of his league. And the video, under that impression, under those auspices, has gone viral, and that’s the thought accompanying it with everybody who sends it out.


2 posted on 11/19/2011 8:54:31 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: UniqueViews
Rich “Pretty Boy” Lowry is hardly a conservative. He represents the GOP establishment. National Review started its long, painful death when he was named editor.
3 posted on 11/19/2011 8:55:36 AM PST by bwc2221
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To: UniqueViews
Poor Rick Perry. His "brain freeze" is indelible, otherwise it would forever be eclipsed by Herman Cain's more cringe-inducing meanderings on Libya.

Lowry has the resources to find out that subsequent research has cast doubt into the carefully edited Cain gaffe.

I have found that unwillingness to research issues by a columnist with ample resources to do such is a sure tell of underlying bias. Can you say Mittwitt? Sure you can.

4 posted on 11/19/2011 8:55:40 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: UniqueViews

Rich Lowry is not and never will be half the man Herman Cain has become.


5 posted on 11/19/2011 8:58:15 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: UniqueViews

You know, I have voted since the 1968 election I was a leftist back in those days...but as an American and as a person who has studied American History I think I can make up my mind as to who I want to vote for without Rich Lowry or anybody else telling me so I am at a place where I am tired of the bots for all these canidates.
Freegards
Lex


6 posted on 11/19/2011 9:00:03 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: UniqueViews

Rich, you dog legged buffoon, Herman was on the radio in Atlanta for years talking about this stuff. Rich you are full of last years turkey stuffing. How much quantitative analysis do you know little rich.


7 posted on 11/19/2011 9:00:21 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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8 posted on 11/19/2011 9:04:09 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: BoingBoing

Sure, and the National Review is a leftist rag. (/sarc)


10 posted on 11/19/2011 9:08:33 AM PST by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews

No excuses for NR. They suppressed zer0’s ineligibility so they could still be invited to sip overpriced scotch with The Nation editors. I’d vote for zer0 before subscribing to NR again.


11 posted on 11/19/2011 9:08:35 AM PST by kreitzer
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To: dirtboy
I have found that unwillingness to research issues by a columnist with ample resources to do such is a sure tell of underlying bias.

Honestly I wish everyone would take the time to research all their info. I'm constantly being told how I'm being fooled by the media for posting info on candidates but I barely watch news these days. Instead I go looking for records, quotes, and direct sources etc. Bloggers are not reliable sources.
12 posted on 11/19/2011 9:10:46 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: dirtboy

It’s not just Cain’s lack of foreign policy knowledge:

“It’s not as though he’s a wonk on domestic policy, either. He’s tied himself in knots on abortion, contradicted himself on an electrified border fence, and demonstrated an unfamiliarity with basics of Medicare policy. Even on his signature issue, 9-9-9, he relies on repetition and assertion more than detailed argument.”

(from this article)


13 posted on 11/19/2011 9:10:46 AM PST by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews

People like Lowry are always waiting for these “gotcha” moments from candidates they consider the dead wood on the line-up. I’d have to believe his candidate is ROMNEY, and he’s going to have a harder time in the”baggage retrieval” area if he tries to promote Romney over Gingrich, who ultimately WILL get the nomination.


14 posted on 11/19/2011 9:11:30 AM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Amen! My first vote was for Goldwater and have been doing fine since then figuring out for whom I will vote.


15 posted on 11/19/2011 9:14:21 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: UniqueViews

I do believe that Cain needs to do something about crafting a coherent base of knowledge on foreign policy. I do think the Rich over generalizes but he has some valid points but he totally has ignored Herman Cain’s vast store of experience in the private sector and the value of this and reduces him down to a book salesman/pizza executive. Bush wasn’t so sharp on foreign policy either and truthfully if we are talking about low bars I don’t know any one of the candidates that would truly pass the foreign policy experience test. I think Cain needs to add some strong foreign policy conservatives to his team. He also needs to rework his campaign staff to show that he would choose a competent team of experts. Its not about fairness it is about him dealing with a false perception that is being fed.

One thing that Cain could do is pick some of the fantastic stories from his life and use those in his talking points for a change. People need to be introduced to the real Herman Cain. The man who rose from meager means to the heights of success through hard work. Herman needs to take a few days off get some solid rest and then spend a few weeks adding a couple hours going over and sorting out where he stands on many issues because he can not have these kind of things continuing to bleed him out.

I still believe that Cain is the best man to go up against Obama but being a better man is not enough. He can not go up against Obama and make the kind of mistakes he’s made lately. I fully understand that he has been under immense stress from the sex allegations but it is time for him to show the command of his campaign. He still has time to work this out but if he doesn’t it is going to be very hard for him and that would be a loss for all of us.

God help us if all is left to choose from is Romney or Newt.


16 posted on 11/19/2011 9:15:35 AM PST by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: UniqueViews
First of all, his tying himself in knots about abortion is once again due to deliberate distortion of that interview. He pushes 999 as a talking point, but so what? That is what campaigns do.

What I see in this article is a mix of legit concerns that also incorporates past dishonest attacks against Cain. Lowry is showing he has an underlying agenda by doing such.

17 posted on 11/19/2011 9:15:49 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: UniqueViews

Mr. Lowry, a few facts to ponder when bad mouthing Mr. Herman Cain!!! How would you react if for weeks members of the Black Congressional Caucus, the NAACP and the Democrat Party cursed you and demonized you??? How would you react if you were accused of sexual harrasment day after day by the lowest form of humanity that exists on this Earth. This all, with no proof or substantial facts whatsoever!!! And, sir, how would you react if some unknown persons or persons threatened you with bodily harm or murder becasue of your political views. IMHO, Mr. Cain has called for Secret Service support and protection for fully justified cause!!! This man, who only seeks to to serve his country does not deserve this kind of treatment, but......he can take it. Yes, maybe he has become a bit unfocused, so to speak. But....what would any average human being do when you are threatened openly from verbal or bodily destruction. Oh, Mr. Cain will bounce back. He got “True Grit” What you should be pursuing, sir, IMHO, is the “Chicago Way” that is fully at work here!!! I am certain you get the drift. Millions of us do!!!


18 posted on 11/19/2011 9:16:25 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: MNJohnnie

“Hmm Rush Limbaugh says Rick Lowrey’s analysis of this is moronic. I say I have to agree.”

In the long quote you posted, Rush doesn’t even mention Rich Lowrey, nor does he comment on Lowry’s analysis. So why are you making such an outrageous statement?


19 posted on 11/19/2011 9:17:11 AM PST by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews
Lowry talking out of Romney's anus.
20 posted on 11/19/2011 9:23:35 AM PST by Happy Rain ( "Many of the most useful idiots of the Left are on the Right.")
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To: dirtboy; All
I have found that unwillingness to research issues by a columnist with ample resources to do such is a sure tell of underlying bias.

I have EQUALLY found that unwillingness to research issues by a columnist MANY FREEPERS, in this election cycle, with ample resources to do such is a sure sign of underlying bias...particularly when attacking 'anyone not Mitt."

Constant posting of proven misinformation, the truth of which is easily accessible, is rampant and beneath the precepts of FR. And yet, they are allowed to continue what becomes deliberate smears, no better than the mainSlime media or demRat Socialists.

Truly disheartening.

21 posted on 11/19/2011 9:24:25 AM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: MNJohnnie
Collective bargaining is an absolute right of free association. There is however, a serious problem with government sanctioned union monopolies. Were there true competition in services providing skilled labor, unionization could actually be a good thing, eliminating the need for personnel management and marketing optimal combinations of individual skill sets.

Cain understands the tension between the two tendencies but hasn't considered it deeply enough to have formulated a specific proposal. Much the same could be said of his positions on foreign policy which, although they are not completely formulated, does not mean that his philosophical instincts would not deliver a beneficial result, particularly because he HAS demonstrated the skill to hire good people and motivate them to do good work.

22 posted on 11/19/2011 9:26:10 AM PST by Carry_Okie (In the GOP, desperation is the mother of convention.)
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To: BoingBoing

Agreed. Rich Lowry is part of the NE elitist republican establishment and Hannity is right there with them.


23 posted on 11/19/2011 9:29:12 AM PST by Jukeman
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To: UniqueViews
Sure, and the National Review is a leftist rag. (/sarc)

No, but it is a redoubt of the very GOP "moderates" that blew a conservative majority by failure to control its urge to sate its corporate benefactors, the people who give money to BOTH sides. That taint of corruption and the compulsion to "reach across the aisle" is what gave us a Democrat majority with a Marxist President.

So no, I'm no fan of The National Review.

24 posted on 11/19/2011 9:31:27 AM PST by Carry_Okie (In the GOP, desperation is the mother of convention.)
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To: UniqueViews

Rich Rove is just doing what he is told.


25 posted on 11/19/2011 9:32:22 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Maelstorm
Kudos for a brilliant, thoughtful, AND well written analysis. Pretty much mirrors my own thoughts. I've been receptive to Cain since he first announced. Now, like you, I have some doubts.

Here's another thought. Prior all this Cain "stuff" ( for lack of a better word) there was considerable speculation about a possible GOP ticket...the idea ofCain/Gingrich was widely embraced. Now, because of all these issues, were Newt, Perry, or Mitt to win the nomination, I don't think that any of them would pick Cain as a VP, because it would resurrect all the questions about Cain's readiness ( which, after all, is the prime funcion of the VP) and the nominee and the campaign would start off behind the 8-ball, with questions about their judgement.

So, we should ask..can a person who won't be considered for the VP spot continue to run for the top slot?

26 posted on 11/19/2011 9:33:10 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Happy Rain
Lowry talking out of Romey's anus.

Damn good one, I do believe you may have struck brown gold with that one. LOL

27 posted on 11/19/2011 9:35:01 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: UniqueViews

With a very few exceptions, the Romney-bot weenies running Bill Buckley’s old mag are a disgrace to its founder, and in any case are irrelevant outside of the cocktail-party-and-country-club circuit. Mark Steyn, you need to trade up.


28 posted on 11/19/2011 9:35:20 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: UniqueViews

I used to listen from time to time to Herman Cain’s radio show in Atlanta. At the time, it bothered me that he did not seem to have the breadth of knowledge—or interest—of other commentators on many of the issues that came up. Instead, he relied on his personality and wit; sometimes it worked, often it fell short. I think that is Lowry’s observation here as well.


29 posted on 11/19/2011 9:37:29 AM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: UniqueViews

The media can said or write whatever they wish and makeup whatever they want. But, I am voting for Herman Cain.


30 posted on 11/19/2011 9:38:38 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: ken5050
We are going to make Cain the nominee here in South Carolina on Jan 21st 2012 and unlike either IA or NH we have picked them all since 1980.

Hate on him all you want but we Southern conservatives take care of our own.

31 posted on 11/19/2011 9:42:26 AM PST by Happy Rain ( "Many of the most useful idiots of the Left are on the Right.")
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To: org.whodat
Herman was on the radio in Atlanta for years talking about this stuff.

And during that period, Mr. Cain's discussions of the details of current events were approximately 30% as thorough as fellow WSB host Neal Boortz. I attributed it to Cain's style at the time.

32 posted on 11/19/2011 9:42:40 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster
The word subjective come to mind, I wonder why.
33 posted on 11/19/2011 9:46:01 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: UniqueViews
What is that thing about "people who live in glass houses"?

Lowry's condescending "evaluation" of Cain also may reveal much about himself and the criteria he uses for measuring leadership ability.

What did his little commentary contribute to national thought and judgment on Cain?

Citizens who long for an authentic leader may use another standard by which to measure a man whom they wish to influence the future liberty of their Republic.

Some may even remember a story from an ancient text which records another potential future leader and lawgiver's response to a call to serve, when he objected: "I am slow of speech and slow of tongue,"(Exodus 3:2-4:17)

American liberty cannot survive another leader who is measured by superficially high-sounding sound bites and know-it-all evaluations from media spokesmen who, themselves, may lack understanding the qualifications of a true leader.

34 posted on 11/19/2011 9:48:46 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: ken5050

Thanks. That is why it is critical that Cain really get this under control while he still has a chance. Right now I and others support him because I know who he is but he needs to prove who he is to the electorate. I want him to come back because he has an amazing communication talent and an amazing story when he unleashes it but it is clear that the campaign is taking its toll and it won’t get better. Nothing is more disappointing than promise wasted. The unfortunate irony is that he handled the sex harassment stuff fairly well even given the chaos the problem is it weakened him with ‘blood in the water’ so to speak and the sharks are now hitting him. That he is still hanging on is testament to what he could be but running for president isn’t a race about trying hard. He has to be in it to win it and that means getting organized. I figure he has till the end of November to get things together going into Iowa. Also If I were him I’d put together a big feel good campaign pre-Christmas event. Maybe invite the other candidates even to a non debate venue for just a good time.

Hey but that is how I’d do it. You leverage your strengths and when your strength is going directly to the people you need to focus on that like a laser. Cain needs to show he is bigger than the Cain caricature before it is cast in stone and his chance is lost. It would be a pity because he has survived far too much adversity and worked far too hard to find himself turned into an object of ridicule.


35 posted on 11/19/2011 9:48:46 AM PST by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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36 posted on 11/19/2011 9:51:12 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Lex,

You’ve got a few years on me, but you have used them wisely. I agree with you fully. Richie and most of the other political pundits live in a world where everyone tells them how smart they are. Yet, how many have ever had to put their money where their mouth is?

BTW, I first voted in 1972 and could not believe that McGovern lost. Ah to be so young and stupid!


37 posted on 11/19/2011 9:53:25 AM PST by neocon1984
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To: UniqueViews
“Sure, and the National Review is a leftist rag. (/sarc)”

It's become far more establishment Republican than conservative.

Bet you watch FNC at least three hours a night and think that it's conservative too.

38 posted on 11/19/2011 9:55:17 AM PST by bwc2221
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To: Puddleglum
Your contrasting Lowry with Buckley is right on!

"Conservatism" must, in order to be anything at all, mean "conserving," or preserving the essential ideas of liberty which underlie and form the foundation of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

Future generations of America, given the advantages of technological accessibility to the writings of America's Founders and their predecessors in devotion to ideas of liberty, may rue the day when supposed thought leaders of 2011 focused on frivolous things and helped to extinguish the light of liberty.

39 posted on 11/19/2011 9:56:15 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: Happy Rain

See my posts 34 and 39.


40 posted on 11/19/2011 9:59:55 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: org.whodat; madprof98
The word subjective come to mind, I wonder why.

It is subjective. But I was surprised to see that while I was posting, madprof98 wrote a far more insightful post that said essentially the same thing.

I state as my opinion that Boortz daily demonstrated a far more detailed grasp of current affairs than Cain. That doesn't mean Boortz has a more detailed grasp (I suspect he does), but that he gave more details and explained things more completely on the air.

This is not a 'gotcha' question. Did you listen much to both Cain and Boortz, org.whodat? If so, how would evaluate their relative use of detail in the topics they discussed on WSB?

41 posted on 11/19/2011 10:09:58 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: supremedoctrine

A Romney win means more paychecks for the political elite.


42 posted on 11/19/2011 10:20:28 AM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: UniqueViews

Already posted yesterday.


43 posted on 11/19/2011 10:41:59 AM PST by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: Happy Rain
Happy Rain wrote:
We are going to make Cain the nominee here in South Carolina on Jan 21st 2012 and unlike either IA or NH we have picked them all since 1980.

Hate on him all you want but we Southern conservatives take care of our own.

So it was you people who gave us McLame for the 2008 election?  Hmmmm.  Hope you guys got your head outta yours arse this time around.

 

44 posted on 11/19/2011 10:53:54 AM PST by CaptainKrunch
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To: Maelstorm

What is fascinating is to wonder how Cain v. Obama plays out with black voters..Blacks are more socially conservative, and religious, than is realized. You’d have a devout Bapist against a guy who doesn’t even have a church... let alone go to one...Cain could easily peel away 15-20% fo the black vote from Obama..and that alone would mean that Obama can’t win..


45 posted on 11/19/2011 10:55:09 AM PST by ken5050
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To: UniqueViews

Lowry is an idiot I guess.

....

After everything Obama has done, we’re going to disqualify candidates for pausing before answering a question from a hostile media?


46 posted on 11/19/2011 11:00:08 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: UniqueViews

The Natural Repugh is told exactly what to say. Mr. Cain stands tall and true, heads above the other candidates because he knows exactly how to undo the damage which the controllers of the Repugh and all other media have accomplished in ruining a splendid country.

Go Herman Cain!


47 posted on 11/19/2011 11:01:06 AM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: ken5050
So, we should ask..can a person who won't be considered for the VP spot continue to run for the top slot?

No. Iwas one of those who thought perhaps a Cain/Newt team might work, but I cannot do so now. As the primary moves along Cain continues to struggle with the basics to formulate responses of substance. He doesn't have to know details but he should have more than just generic responses and he's not giving us that. So No, I would not want Cain as VP or Pres. at this time....he's just not up for the job where he needs to be and he still has far to go.

48 posted on 11/19/2011 11:06:10 AM PST by caww
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To: Paperdoll
Mr. Cain stands tall and true, heads above the other candidates because he knows exactly how to undo the damage which the controllers of the Repugh and all other media have accomplished in ruining a splendid country.

He does try doesn't he?.....And we see clearly the struggle, in full view of the audiance. That's hurting his chances as well as his inability to formulate his responses. I think he just got in too far over his head to soon and too fast and his campaign certainly hasn't been helping him of late...nor Cain himself as he attempts to at least stay in the race.

I don't think there's enough there to take him to the finish line and his campaign managers are as much to blame for that.

49 posted on 11/19/2011 11:11:13 AM PST by caww
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To: Happy Rain

I did not read/see/notice any “hate” in ken5050’s post. Seemed a reasonable and reflective comment.

Let’s be careful about hyperventilating.


50 posted on 11/19/2011 11:13:02 AM PST by JimInMO
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