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Newt: Fire the Janitors, Hire Kids to Clean Schools
foxnews.com ^ | November 19, 2011 | staff

Posted on 11/19/2011 9:32:20 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion

Newt Gingrich tonight said at an address at Harvard that child work laws "entrap" poor children into poverty - and suggested that a better way to handle failing schools is to fire the janitors, hire the local students and let them get paid for upkeep.

"This is something that no liberal wants to deal with," Gingrich said. "Core policies of protecting unionization and bureaucratization against children in the poorest neighborhoods, crippling them by putting them in schools that fail has done more to create income inequality in the United States than any other single policy. It is tragic what we do in the poorest neighborhoods, entrapping children in, first of all, child laws, which are truly stupid.

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To: Carry_Okie

My first 7 years went to Our Lady of the Mountains Academy, Paintsville KY. It was primarily a boarding school at that time. No janitors. Every kid had a daily chore, five days a week, including KP duty. I remember if we finished our homework in study hall, we were allowed to go outside and rake leaves, then play football, basketball or roast marshmallows as we burned the leaves (1950s).

The place was spotless, the nuns human, and the education superior (if I say so myself). When we moved we went to catholic school in soCal and we were 6 months ahead in reading and math.


101 posted on 11/19/2011 1:36:58 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Here in Japan the kids clean the school every day . They have to and don’t get paid .


102 posted on 11/19/2011 1:52:20 PM PST by sushiman
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To: RockinRight

My first point was that a janitor’s job is usually filled by a man with a family to feed. I believe he would need the money more than a child would.

My other point is that why whittle the least salary rather than the highest salaries? The teachers and principals should be able to take a pay cut. MIllions of others have had to.


103 posted on 11/19/2011 1:55:13 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: SaraJohnson

See ny postt 103.


104 posted on 11/19/2011 1:57:17 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: RockinRight
So?....Do you have links to your statement that 150 years ago you couldn't find a society that had any more than 50% literacy? ( At least among males). Where did you learn this? In your socialist school?

ALexis de Tocqueville was very impressed with the near universal literacy of the United States. Letters from Civil War soldiers show a very high rate of literacy among even the most lowly of soldiers.

105 posted on 11/19/2011 2:10:31 PM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: Vigilanteman

You make an excellent point, but the American people will never accept their children being “slave labor.” And they really would consider cleaning the classroom a form of servitude.


106 posted on 11/19/2011 2:19:46 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Don Corleone

The American people only hold “baggage” against certain politicians, and the Clintoons and Obama are not among those held liable.


107 posted on 11/19/2011 2:21:15 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Paperdoll

You didn’t mention the useless “central office” personnel that could be dropped without any notice to the American people.


108 posted on 11/19/2011 2:22:48 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Newt: Fire the Janitors, Hire Kids to Clean Schools

While you're at it, fire the lunch room staff and hire the kids to cook the gruel and clean out the wooden bowls.

109 posted on 11/19/2011 2:24:08 PM PST by SoJoCo
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To: no-s

Newton was absent the day they were supposed to teach “pride goeth before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall.”


110 posted on 11/19/2011 2:25:28 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.

If you mean Administration, those people could take a pay cut as well, no question about it. Especially the Supervisors.


111 posted on 11/19/2011 2:34:18 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Paperdoll

Actually, my son needed a job to pay for his college so he would not be in NY with the dummies whinning about his big fat student debt.

Teens need jobs not only for the experience and sense of responsibility but also because they have to pay for college and other expenses. Although we could have paid the way for our sons in life, we chose to make them responsible for part of their existence.

All ages from teens on need to work to support themselves to some degree or another. Most people can’t even afford to retire anymore. We have too many illegals taking low end jobs that used to be done by teens.


112 posted on 11/19/2011 2:54:56 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

Let’s see. Teens can walk dogs. they can clean garages or houses, or yards or cars, and the pens at the humane society. They can mow lawns, paint fences or whatever, There are scads of things teens can do. An enterprising teenager can make good money if he/she stays off their butts and Ipads.

But let’s not tke jobs away from husbands and fathers.


113 posted on 11/19/2011 3:21:40 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Paperdoll

You should be the planned economy czar!


114 posted on 11/19/2011 3:24:10 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Alberta's Child
You raise some very good points, AC.

And politically, now at least, I agree it is a non-starter. Before I die, I expect to see opposition to "the twelve-year sentence" reach critical mass, if for no other reason than neither the states nor the nation can afford it any more.

If the political implications of government schools are bad, the economic harm done to the country is far, far worse, from ever-rising taxes to the way the funds are unwisely spent and squandered. You might as well flush much of that money down the toilet for all the benefit most kids and their parents get from it.

As for a candidate with the guts to say the Emperor has no clothes, so to speak, there have been a few at the state and local level (who, once known, are immediately targeted by the NEA and their offspring organizations for censure and electoral defeat) and just one that I know of nationally.

Can you guess who? (Right column, second page)

Of course, education is not a federal issue and should not be made so except for the purpose of undoing the laws and regulations that locals have to comply with in order to get funding from Uncle Sugar.

As with many other areas of life, the fedgov needs to simply butt out. That must happen before any radical reforms can be achieved at the state level.

115 posted on 11/19/2011 5:02:45 PM PST by logician2u
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116 posted on 11/19/2011 6:50:13 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: logician2u

John Taylor Gatto’s writings are a great recommendation!


117 posted on 11/19/2011 9:34:38 PM PST by FreeDeerHawk
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To: wintertime

My father was born in 1909. He left school to work in the sixth grade.

He managed to provide a comfortable lower middle class lifestyle until he was let go from his job as a foreman around 1960 in an factory that did defense work. They let him go and hired a college graduate even though he scored as well on the new test they gave.


118 posted on 11/19/2011 9:44:25 PM PST by FreeDeerHawk
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To: PGR88; BarnacleCenturion
rather than having an army of illegals picking the stuff, I always thought - wouldn’t it be much better if High School kids spent 2 weeks doing this instead?

Of course, it will never happen.

But it DID happen before - I am only 50, and as a teen I took time out of school during harvest, and on numerous occasions, the old man pulled me out of school because he needed help in the shop fixing a tractor or something... Of course, it went without saying that these times would not be allowed to effect my grades - if I didn't pull good grades my freedom went away, harvest work or not.

119 posted on 11/19/2011 10:40:01 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
I find Newt's comments in the article and those of the Freepers very discouraging.

Fundamentally, Newt and many of the posters to this thread fail to see that the underlying problem, not only with the academic failure, but with the unionization of the janitors, is **socialism**! Government K-12 schooling is the very definition of a single-payer, compulsory use, **socialist** entitlement!

If Japan wants to **force** its children into prison-like schools and then **force** them to clean these prison-like structures that is their business, but is this what we want to teach American children? Should we teach them to be submissive slave labor to the state?

There is a solution: Begin the privatization of all K-12 schooling. We need complete separation of school and state. Let these “clean up” up matters be settled** privately*** between the parents, teachers, and principals in the **private** setting of a **private** institution.

120 posted on 11/20/2011 4:07:56 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: logician2u
Sadly, he is suggesting a fix for an institution that is immune to fixes: the public schools, where most of the nation's children are forced to serve the twelve-year sentence.
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Not only is Newt clueless but look at that comments to the thread.

Fundamentally! Government k-12 schooling is a single payer, compulsory, socialist entitlement! Government schools **are** the very definition of socialism!

Fundamentally! Socialism and socialist programs can not be fixed. They must be abolished.

What makes me most discouraged are the comments to this thread. These guys and gals think of themselves as conservatives.

121 posted on 11/20/2011 4:18:04 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: RockinRight
be for everyone to be on vouchers and choose any school they want.
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Pell Grants and subsidized student loans are vouchers. Look what vouchers have done for Big College Education. Answer: Massive tuition inflation.

122 posted on 11/20/2011 4:20:01 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: logician2u
Before I die, I expect to see opposition to “the twelve-year sentence” reach critical mass, if for no other reason than neither the states nor the nation can afford it any more.
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Few here on Free Republic understand the political and spiritual consequences of government socialist schooling. They fail to understand that government schools trash every First Amendment human right, treat children like prisoners, are socialist and godless. That has **consequences** for our nation!

Children who attend prison-like, socialist, and godless schools risk becoming comfortable to accepting being treated like a state prisoner, thinking godlessly, and socialism.

As for the economic burden, **more** is spent on K-12 education ( not including college) than is spent on our military. Government compulsory and socialist entitlement schooling is crushing our economy.

123 posted on 11/20/2011 4:33:24 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Janitors now have to deal with all the “green” issues, there are so many regulations about what cleaning products can be used in schools and how they are allowed to be used it is not even funny. So many safety proceedures to follow, it is crazy. The children would get quite an education in government regulation and environmental issues if they did start cleaning the schools.


124 posted on 11/20/2011 4:36:39 AM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: RockinRight

That would be a legitimate point, but when you compare a society that invested nothing in “public education” and ended up with a 50% literacy rate to one like hours that spends something like $10,000-$15,000 per year (or more) to “educate” kids only to end up with a 50% literacy rate . . . well, I think that makes a pretty compelling case that they were much smarter back then.


125 posted on 11/20/2011 9:51:44 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Paperdoll

Better yet . . . let the teachers and the administration do the janitor’s task as part of their job description.


126 posted on 11/20/2011 9:53:51 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Alberta's Child

LOL! In my town the administration has already cut back positions and been denied salary increases for several years. Teachers, if they are good teachers, work pretty hard with large classrooms. A minor pay cut for them would more than pay for a janitor’s job.

What do people have against janitors anyway?


127 posted on 11/20/2011 10:08:10 AM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Paperdoll
Nothing at all.

I say give the janitors a pay raise and put them in the classrooms while we're at it.

This nation's entire education system is rotton to the core, so anyone who is involved in it is likely to be subject to a lot of scrutiny.

128 posted on 11/20/2011 10:14:20 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Alberta's Child

Please don’t get me onto the subject of public schools. I’ve been warning about it for nearly fifty years. As well as the result of raunchy television, movies and media.

Besides eliminating the EPA, Herman Cain wants to also eliminate the Federal Department of Education. This would, in effect, put control of the schools back where it belongs at the local level, where the parents have more to say about curriculum. He also favors vouchers and charter schools so that competition increases quality.


129 posted on 11/20/2011 10:28:22 AM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: snowstorm12

The principal of a school in my county just resigned his position. He says that he would like to get involved someway in promoting virtual classes because he says “It’s the wave of the future.”

Imagine that — a public high school teacher seeing the writing on the wall.


130 posted on 11/20/2011 10:57:32 AM PST by goldi (')
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To: wintertime
As for the economic burden, **more** is spent on K-12 education ( not including college) than is spent on our military. Government compulsory and socialist entitlement schooling is crushing our economy.

It's not a fair comparison, of course, because the money spent on schools is (supposed to be) for the benefit of only one segment of the population: children between the ages of 5 and 18. Military spending is (presumably) for everyone's benefit, however that is measured.

The reality is there are powerful, moneyed interests with a stake in sustaining and increasing spending in both areas, as it's their bread and butter.

The taxpayers have virtually no representation in Washington and very little in the individual states, so which way do you think elected officials are going to lean?

Republicans don't get much money from the NEA and AFT, but you wonldn't know it by their votes on NCLB and other schemes to put all government schools under federal mandates.

131 posted on 11/20/2011 10:53:58 PM PST by logician2u
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To: logician2u
It's not a fair comparison, of course,...
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You are correct because one of the fundamental responsibilities of government is to defend the borders from begin overwhelmed by armies or refugees. Having a military defense is absolutely necessary( The other responsibilites are to provide honest courts and to put criminals in prison.) Schools however are **not** a fundamental responsibility of a government.

However....The comparison does help to hammer home how much we are spending on the K-12 socialist schooling.

The money drained from the private sector to support socialist entitlement schooling would otherwise be used to create wealth and health for all to enjoy around the world. This sick socialist system of schooling also ensnares armies of American citizens as employees and vendors to the schools, and their creativity is removed from the private sector.

And....I also agree that Republicans walk hand in hand with this socialist schooling monster. I fear that only complete collapse will bring Americans to their senses.

132 posted on 11/21/2011 6:08:36 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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