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The Truth about Violence: 3 Principles of Self-Defense
Sam Harris ^ | Nov 5, 2011 | Sam Harris

Posted on 11/20/2011 1:26:34 PM PST by bkopto

...Although most of us are good at recognizing danger, our instincts often lead us to behave in ways that increase our chances of being injured or killed once a threat emerges.

Principle #1: Avoid dangerous people and dangerous places.

The primary goal of self-defense is to avoid becoming the victim of violence. The best way to do this is to not be where violence is likely to occur. Of course, that’s not always possible—but without question, it is your first and best line of defense. If you visit dangerous neighborhoods at night, or hike alone and unarmed on trails near a big city, or frequent places where drunken young men gather, you are running some obvious risks. SNIP....

Principle #2: Do not defend your property.

Whatever your training, you should view any invitation to violence as an opportunity to die—or to be sent to prison for killing another human being. Violence must truly be the last resort. Thus, if someone sticks a gun in your face and demands your wallet, you should hand it over without hesitation—and run.

SNIP Principle #3: Respond immediately and escape.

If you have principles 1 and 2 firmly installed in your brain, any violence that finds you is, by definition, unavoidable. There is a tremendous power in knowing this: When you find yourself without other options, you are free to respond with full commitment.

This is the core principle of self-defense: Do whatever you can to avoid a physical confrontation, but the moment avoidance fails, attack explosively for the purposes of escape—not to mete out justice, or to teach a bully a lesson, or to apprehend a criminal. Your goal is to get away with minimum trauma (to you), while harming your attacker in any way that seems necessary to ensure your escape.⁠

(Excerpt) Read more at samharris.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News
KEYWORDS: banglist; selfdefence
The above is heavily redacted from the link. I would be interested in Freepers' thoughtful and helpful comments, after they read the *entire* (very long) post by Mr Harris.

BTW, Mr Harris *is* the notorious, aggressive atheist, but that is besides the point, for this posting. Please try to leave his atheistic views out of your comments.

1 posted on 11/20/2011 1:26:40 PM PST by bkopto
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To: bkopto

I have trained with the same school Gerald Celnte has for the last 6 years.

Www.attack proof.com.


2 posted on 11/20/2011 1:28:35 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: bkopto
Latest Incidents
3 posted on 11/20/2011 1:29:37 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (For years the Left protested "the occupation of Iraq"- now they want to "Occupy" all across the US)
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To: bkopto
#2 is pure BS. If you give up your property you are still a witness.

Injuring them quickly is a better move because that creates a likelihood they will be caught and now if they manage to kill you the charges against them will be greater.

4 posted on 11/20/2011 1:32:38 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: bkopto
It's a very thoughtful article. Most notably for the observation that our first inclination, to stand and fight, is usually counterproductive.

I hope I have the presence of mind to avoid risking my life to save a car or camera.

5 posted on 11/20/2011 1:33:33 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: call meVeronica

Bump


6 posted on 11/20/2011 1:35:03 PM PST by call meVeronica
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To: bkopto

Sorry, but very little actual truth in there. There’s no set state code on defense of property. All states differ.


7 posted on 11/20/2011 1:36:42 PM PST by 1L
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To: bkopto
I read most of the article trying to understand where the author is coming from.

The guy seems like a wuss to me. Am I going to stand by and let thugs or anarchists destroy my property, not if by using superior firepower I can back them down.

Defending one's property doesn't necessarily mean having to destroy a life.

People assume too often that by letting the bad guy go or get away with criminal behavior in the effort of self-preservation that they are doing the right thing. To me, there is a great chance that by eliminating the threat to myself I can save somebody else who would in turn be a victim had the perp gotten away.

To me it is a mind set.

Article had some good stats though.

8 posted on 11/20/2011 1:49:51 PM PST by gettinolder (Smashed lips save ships.)
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To: bkopto

Knees are designed to bend ONE way. Make them bend in any of the other three ways, and you can do what you want.


9 posted on 11/20/2011 1:50:27 PM PST by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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Three rules of self defense, as taught by my instructor in Tae Kwon Do:

1. If the enemy cannot see, he cannot fight. Strike the eyes, of the bridge of the nose.
2. If the enemy cannot breathe, he cannot fight. Strike the diaphragm.
3. If the enemy cannot stand, he cannot fight. Strike the knees.

Good advice 20 years ago, and it has stood the test of time.


11 posted on 11/20/2011 1:59:31 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: bkopto

>Principle #2: Do not defend your property.

Slaves are made in such ways...


12 posted on 11/20/2011 2:05:22 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bkopto

Number 1 seems to make a lot of sense to me. I can see some truth in number 2 but it is basically wrong.

I remember something Socrates is quoted as saying, and this is not his exact words, but he had been criticized for constantly looking around him and staring at people. He said that is the only reason he survived some battle when a lot of Athenians were killed because they were simply running away.

I think me meant basically be on the lookout or always be aware of what is going on around you.

There really are times when running away is the best idea and other times when you should stand your ground, just don’t ask me exactly what those are.

Also as much as possible, be armed.


13 posted on 11/20/2011 2:12:40 PM PST by yarddog
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To: bkopto

Here’s what I’ve been teaching my kids, who are still quite young, but it will save them huge amounts of heartache and trouble if they obey. STAY AWAY FROM ANY PLACE WHOSE MAIN FUNCTION IS TO PROVIDE ALCOHOL. I’m no teetotaler, but people do crazy, stupid, and dangerous things when they’re drunk, and it’s even worse when they’re surrounded by other drunks.


14 posted on 11/20/2011 2:17:49 PM PST by ChocChipCookie
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To: bkopto
read: In the Gravest Extreme: The Role of the Firearm in Personal Protection (9780936279008): Massad F. Ayoob: Books.

it's considered the Bible of self protection with firearms...

15 posted on 11/20/2011 2:24:42 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: bkopto
Whatever your physical skills, when you commit to using force against another person, your overriding goal is still to escape. Even if you are at home, in possession of a firearm, and well trained to use it, when confronted by an intruder your best defense is to get out of the house as quickly as possible. In such a circumstance, a gun is a means of ensuring that no one can block your exit.

Bullshit, shoot the perp, twice and look for the next target.

I would never think of running out of my house if I'm in possession of any of my guns and someone has broken in.

This guy is not giving advice that I'd ever take.

He also says if a group of vandals are destroying your car to leave and call the police, that you don't want to shoot a teenager over an act of vandalism.

That depends on the immediate danger to me and my family.

If I felt that the destruction of the car was act one, and my destruction was act two, I'd have no remorse at shooting even if they later were identified to be teenagers.

At the point of my life being threatened, the perps age is of no concern to me.

16 posted on 11/20/2011 2:29:21 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: bkopto

I disagree with No.2 In today’s world pacifism will get you killed faster then offensive reaction. With 3 strike laws and psychopathic criminals being set free you’re a liability to them if left alive. Many of these animals will kill for sport. Many gang initiation rights include killing too.

Now if you’re in a situation and your situational awareness was so sloppy you are under direct threat of being killed/injured by an attacker your best option to stay alive is a strong reactive offense making them back off or stop. The life you save may be that of your family.


17 posted on 11/20/2011 2:30:24 PM PST by Mechanicos (Why does the DOE have a SWAT Team?)
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To: yarddog

It seems that in many of the recent attack situations (large packs of feral yutes), running is probably the best option. Of course, that isn’t much of an option when you’re on a crowded bus or subway. Yeah, it sucks that people have to deal with these attacks. But the thugs know it and use it to their advantage, which is why they attack in groups. A lone victim is easy pickins.


18 posted on 11/20/2011 2:33:29 PM PST by hout8475
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To: bkopto

Liberal pacifist rules of self-non-defense.


19 posted on 11/20/2011 2:45:21 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: gettinolder
Amen brother, and I am at 4 incidents this year alone where I intervened to help another victim. 4, and every single time I both protected the victim and did not have to harm the scumbag. An additional incident at a gas station where some homeless racist illegal alien threatened to kill me and my family because we have a nice truck, "stolen from the hard work of his ancestors" ended very quickly when I put my 45 in his face. I told the police exactly what I did.

This run away line of thinking removes needed heros from society.

Of course I live in Alaska. I can carried concealed with license or permission as long as I am a non-felon. These guys #1 piece of advice is to avoid troubled areas,....My first piece of advice is live in an area where the right to armed self defense is not questioned, and go and do what you will as a free man.

20 posted on 11/20/2011 2:48:57 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: SENTINEL

Correction....I can carry concealed WITHOUT a license, not with.


21 posted on 11/20/2011 2:51:18 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: SENTINEL
Good post. From one Alaskan to another...

Like you, the .45 is my weapon of choice.

22 posted on 11/20/2011 2:56:58 PM PST by gettinolder (Smashed lips save ships.)
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To: bkopto
Principle #1: Avoid dangerous people and dangerous places.

Understand that in doing so you may be ceding territory to those who will only want more in the future, eventually that which is yours.

Principle #2: Do not defend your property.

Understand that the right to have and hold property is basic to a civilized society and that defense of your property may be defense of your civilization.

Principle #3: Respond immediately and escape.

Understand that a sufficiently decisive response may allow a leisurely and safer escape.

23 posted on 11/20/2011 2:59:39 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: gettinolder

Did you see the Yahoo article that ranked Anchorage the 5th most dangerous city in America ?

It's getting nuts. The five incidents I mentioned....

1. Blood covered crackhead came into Chevron at Northern lights and Minnesota, threatening to stab the poor lady cashier. I pulled my knife, told him I was US Marine and we were about to have a serious disagreement. He dropped it. Found out later he had just stabbed another man critically in neck and arm.

2. Road rage, "gangsta thug" vs white high school kid at Spenard and Benson. Ran off when I jumped out of the car to go help the kid.

3. Drunk native beating wife on highway just south of Wasilla. Had to literally shove the guy off of and away from her, then hold him away with gun until cops arrived.

4. Drunk Native beating wife at "A" Street and 4th Ave. I shoved him down and she ran off. He was too drunk to get back up.

5. Illegal alien mexican was trying to sneak up behind me when I was pumping gas at near merrill field. I saw him and asked what he needed, he started into tirade, threatened to kill me and family as he stormed up. Like I said, my .45 point blank in his face shut him up real good.

I think it is foolish beyond belief to live in places where you cannot legally defend yourself or others.

24 posted on 11/20/2011 3:14:06 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: bkopto

“You don’t shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.”
— Colonel Jeff Cooper

I don’t believe the government stats that show violent crime decreasing. I believe there is ongoing manipulation of data driven by political correctness.

I also believe that today there is a greater chance of becoming a target of hate based racial aggression. Thanks to Obama and Holder there is more pure hate and resentment walking the streets than ever before in our lifetimes.

Non-engagement tactics may work with attackers who are only after your car stereo, your billfold, or emergency cash stashed at home. But they aren’t likely to work as well with attackers who hate you for who you are and what you are.

Think about the recent race based attacks on whites during black street rampages like the ones at the Wisconsin State Fair in Milwaukee.

The general advice in this article to avoid high risk areas and situations is good. But we still have to live - we can’t hide in a cellar.

If you are in a corner or being attacked in your home there is no guarantee running away will improve the situation. In that case I hope you live in a state that has a “castle” law.


25 posted on 11/20/2011 3:22:06 PM PST by Iron Munro (Ben Raines For President)
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To: SENTINEL


26 posted on 11/20/2011 3:24:50 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Now that is perfect!! LOL


27 posted on 11/20/2011 3:30:17 PM PST by bfree (The revolution is coming - OBAMI IS THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM)
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To: Chode

Say cheese !


28 posted on 11/20/2011 3:39:14 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: bkopto
The problem with fighting when you could safely run away is that you might LOSE THE FIGHT.

A gun is not a magic wand. Having one does not insure that you will not be injured or killed.

Imagine the disappointment should you draw your gun and attempt to fire only to have your weapon jam, especially if you could have escaped in those same few seconds.

Imagine the disappointment should you draw your gun and fire, only to see the attacker still coming at you and now drawing a gun of his own which you hadn't seen.

Imagine the disappointment should you draw your gun and fire several times, only to see that your attacker was not alone but has two accomplices.

You are never going to have perfect knowledge of what is going to happen. If running away provides you the best chance of being in control of your own destiny, then that is the course to choose.

29 posted on 11/20/2011 3:41:50 PM PST by William Tell
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To: GlockThe Vote

Unfortunately, numbers 2 and 3, while of benefit to the defender in the short term, lead to societal degradation in the long term.

Fortunately, we are heading back to the default position of decades back, where the opposite of numbers 2 and 3 were rewarded by society as recompense for the risks involved and the societal benefit gained.


30 posted on 11/20/2011 3:45:33 PM PST by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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31 posted on 11/20/2011 3:46:31 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: William Tell

If you are defending yourself and yourself alone, that is a choice you entitled to make. If it is another victim and you run, regardless of the odds, as far as I am concerned you are a coward.


32 posted on 11/20/2011 3:49:00 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: Chode
LOL!

33 posted on 11/20/2011 3:52:44 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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To: bkopto
plus there's an old saying... RUN from a knife, CLOSE on a gun.
34 posted on 11/20/2011 3:53:01 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SENTINEL
Chevron @ Minnesota and Spenard; my brother, unarmed because a neighbor had "shamed" him into leaving his .45 Kimber at home because of "kids".

Wishes he'd had it, could of held two "homies" who tried to steal his car after chasing him around vehicle, with a baseball bat.

Store manager called police, only took them two minutes, gangbangers long gone by then. Van was stolen.

Anchorage is getting bad, prime spot to help out just by being armed and ready, as your incidents show.

35 posted on 11/20/2011 3:58:14 PM PST by gettinolder (Smashed lips save ships.)
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To: bkopto
I'll stick with the Colonel's Principles of Personal Defense.

1. Alertness
2. Decisiveness
3. Aggressiveness
4. Speed
5. Coolness
6. Ruthlessness
7. Surprise

36 posted on 11/20/2011 4:00:40 PM PST by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: wolfpat

same with elbows


37 posted on 11/20/2011 4:03:34 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: PubliusMM

4. Fight dirty as if your life depended on it. Groin. Fingers in eyes. Bite like hell. Head butt. Dislocate knee, elbow. Cup hands and slap ears full strength. Fingers deep into space between earlobe and jaws. Smash foot with heel of shoe to break foot.

Most vulnerable: Throat, groin, eyes.


38 posted on 11/20/2011 4:06:53 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: gettinolder
A good friend of mine was murdered a few years back. The cops and I know who did it, but no body was ever found so no charges....Scumbag murderer, who had already been pardoned by a former governor for attempted murder, just got his own reality show.

Details of Disappearance

Damon Bonds was last seen by friends on Saturday, March 27, 2004. His truck was found in the parking lot at Delong Lake on March 31. His dog was in the bed of the truck under a canopy, the doors were unlocked and his cellular phone was on the front seat, but there was no sign of Damon. The APD Auxiliary Search Team, assisted by a dog trained to find cadavers, hunted for Bonds in the area around his truck but found no signs of him. Damon's friends and family insist that he never would have left his dog, and are convinced he met with foul play.

39 posted on 11/20/2011 4:09:07 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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40 posted on 11/20/2011 4:10:14 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: William Tell
Imagine the disapointment, if you had ran and before your armed ass had gotten around the block the perp had chosen another victim, an unarmed lady with her kids, and raped her, in front of her kids.

I would rather imagine the disappointment on the aggressor's face when you pulled out your firearm and not only stopped a crime but in so doing prevented the young mother from being raped.

While were imagining things.....

And I mean you no offense.

41 posted on 11/20/2011 4:11:35 PM PST by gettinolder (Smashed lips save ships.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Re “Latest Incidents” - do you know what “Mva” means? Also noticed two “unusal incidents.” Can’t imagine what those might be.


42 posted on 11/20/2011 4:11:39 PM PST by TexasKamaAina
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To: SENTINEL
A good friend of mine was murdered a few years back

Sorry to hear that. The son of a family friend of ours prevented his own murder when while riding his H-D.

He was signaled over by a white van with three occupants (unsuspecting) One male got out, started asking questions about his bike, female leans out of van and shouts "Come on, do it already!" male pulls gun out and shoots our friend's son who only one week prior had started carrying at his dad's advice. He returns fire, emptying magazine. Male perp turns around and runs back toward van, falling down and getting back up before jumping back in van.

Friend's son shot in side, was able to get himself medical aid and police, male perp's body was found later in ditch where fellow criminals had dumped it. Turns out he'd been mortally wounded by return fire. (Arizona)

43 posted on 11/20/2011 4:24:00 PM PST by gettinolder (Smashed lips save ships.)
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To: SENTINEL

I live in Wasilla and NEVER go into Los Anchorage without a pistol under the seat. Even when I use long term parking I leave my gun in car even though there is a risk of theft. I know the gas station by Merrill field, my wife was nearly accosted there once and she never travels now without a pistol. Wish I had a .45, I carry my S/W .358 just because its small enough to hide. Sounds like you spend more time there than me, I don’t like Anchorage.


44 posted on 11/20/2011 4:42:11 PM PST by strongbow
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To: SENTINEL

I’m guessing phony Tony was the governor? Curious about the reality show thing. There are some really bad boys up here. I heard WIllow hides the largest number of fugitives in the state.


45 posted on 11/20/2011 4:48:13 PM PST by strongbow
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To: strongbow

I commute. PM me, we should meet sometime for a beer.


46 posted on 11/20/2011 4:56:34 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: bkopto

Self defense rules?


47 posted on 11/20/2011 5:03:49 PM PST by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: SENTINEL; strongbow
You men ever get down to Ketchikan let me know.

Sentinel, I am sending you a pm you'll find interesting, waiting for a call from my brother who lives up there.

48 posted on 11/20/2011 6:42:38 PM PST by gettinolder (Smashed lips save ships.)
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To: gettinolder

Never been to Ketchikan. Need to see some more of this huge state. Phasing in my retirement now. Hope to have more time to do things like traveling.


49 posted on 11/20/2011 7:38:00 PM PST by strongbow
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To: SENTINEL

Damon is my brother, I would love to know what info you have regarding his case. Please contact me at countrygirl5972@yahoo.com. Thank you.


50 posted on 05/07/2012 9:26:13 PM PDT by Nomadcountrygirl
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