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Live Thread: Republican Presidential Debate on National Security 8 P.M. EST 11/22/11 on CNN
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 | Kristinn

Posted on 11/22/2011 3:37:12 PM PST by kristinn

Hosted by the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute, the theme of tonight's Republican presidential debate is foreign policy and national security.

The debate is being held at Constitution Hall in Washington, D.C.

CNN is carrying the debate live at 8 p.m. EST.

Participating candidates are: businessman Herman Cain, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, former Speaker Newt Gingrich, Reps. Ron Paul (TX) and Michele Bachmann (MN), former Gov. Jon Huntsman, and former Sen. Rick Santorum.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: justsaynomore

It is an accurate summary.

From Herman Cain’s own hand in your post:

“...then propose a reasonable program for the 12 million (and counting) illegal persons who broke our laws to get here, but not amnesty”

Unless that reasonable plan is deportation, it’s amnesty, right?


1,601 posted on 11/22/2011 7:41:30 PM PST by TitansAFC (Doug Hoffman says it's good to support Newt, so stop being mad on his behalf when he doesn't want it)
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To: bgill

Gringrich soiled himself with the amnesty issue, that is going to leave a DEEP mark with the GOP base so close to the elections. The anti illegal alien lobby groups in DC and Iowa ought to get to work with robo calls on that alone starting from Monday. P.S. CNN had a huge hard on tonight to give Herman as little air time tonight as possible. The weakness of general applause to me showed that this was a real Establishment
DC beltway crowd, very uncomfortable with Cain. Now C N N is trying to sound bite it and make Cain look like and idiot and otherwise Kremlin-style airbrush him out. Glad Cain brought up the deaths of tens of thousands at the hands of ILLEGAL ALIENS. Run this clip in Iowa 24/7 Mr. Cain!!!!


1,602 posted on 11/22/2011 7:41:52 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (BASHING a Conservative candidate? Practice full disclosure via tagline w/your own preference)
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To: caww

make it impossible for them or their kids to ... go to a school, go to a hospital, buy a car, buy a house, rent an appartment, ect...

and they will deport themselves, problem solved.


1,603 posted on 11/22/2011 7:42:23 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: mylife
Wolff admits that he set this thing up to give the lower level candidates more time.

Had Wolf a brain in his head he would of high lighted the strongest candidates on this stage as it was International in scope. We no longer present our strengths to the world....and that's beyond shameful.

1,604 posted on 11/22/2011 7:42:39 PM PST by caww
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To: RitaOK

Since “legitimate worker program” means “amnesty” to the hard cases, what is the code word for “legitimate worker program”?


1,605 posted on 11/22/2011 7:42:39 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: LUV W

You’re welcome, sir.


1,606 posted on 11/22/2011 7:42:45 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

He is on FNC live right now.


1,607 posted on 11/22/2011 7:42:46 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Tribune7

I understand the desire to compromise.

I simply do not share it.


1,608 posted on 11/22/2011 7:43:01 PM PST by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: caww

What are you talking about? Cain was right on this point.

So what’s your point, other than that you don’t like the guy?

Maybe you’re the one who is confused about what is happening overseas.


1,609 posted on 11/22/2011 7:43:23 PM PST by BagCamAddict (If Perry had been asked about the Cain 999 plan, he would have said: 9, 9, .......what?)
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To: TitansAFC

No, it’s not an accurate summary because based on the context he is clearly against amnesty.


1,610 posted on 11/22/2011 7:43:49 PM PST by justsaynomore (http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
CNN panel on Pakistan said we don't know if they are friend or foe.

Exactly what Cain said the last debate.

1,611 posted on 11/22/2011 7:44:05 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: montag813

Delusion you are. Newt even said whom would be deported if he becomes President. But of course, you must not notice that so your deceit can float freely in that stinky cloud you’re spewing.


1,612 posted on 11/22/2011 7:44:08 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: caww
The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, and Arizona proving that it does.

Conferring rights and privileges upon illegal aliens has a corrosive effect on the Rule of Law, the very foundation of our Republic. It is also a slap in the face to legal immigrants who have followed the rules and obeyed the laws. There are millions of immigrants waiting their turn overseas to enter the U.S. legally and approximately 40 million immigrants living in the U.S., most of whom followed the law. Recent polling by Rasmussen has shown that the American people are calling for increased enforcement of our immigration laws.

When you reward something, you get more of it. How can you possibly legalize the status of the illegals without inviting more in? Would you allow them to have their families join them?

1,613 posted on 11/22/2011 7:44:18 PM PST by kabar
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To: caww

” - - - this government is going to deport 30 million people - - - “

Well, 10 % 0f 300 million people is 30 million people. Might solve our Obamanation Recession unemployment - - - .


1,614 posted on 11/22/2011 7:44:23 PM PST by Graewoulf ( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.)
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To: xzins
Gotta disagree. Anytime you get access to air space weird things can happen.

You really think we should follow Perry's lead and setup a no-fly zone over Syria? If Obama proposed it, you'd be oppose it. You can talk about Israel and Iran all you want, but this was about the rioting in Syria, and no-fly zones puts us right back in the business of nation building.

How's that nation building working out in Libya? What's that? Libya is going over to the extremist. Don't worry, that would never happen in Syria, and even if it did, who cares if we provide cover for the extremists, it's not like Syria is close to Israel....
1,615 posted on 11/22/2011 7:44:37 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: All

Is anyone here familiar with the new Pakistani Gov?

It was muddled when Musharraf was there.

I has been insane since Bhutto was assassinated.

Now here comes Obama with all his cooperation’s and wins.

Do we know who these people are?


1,616 posted on 11/22/2011 7:44:48 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: xzins
Would you deport every illegal?

That isn't a reasonable premise.

The best policy would be to:

1. Secure the border

2. Deport all illegal aliens who break a law.

3. Enforce E-verify.

4. Enforce employment laws.

5. Pass a law denying illegal alien access to welfare.

Remove the incentives and the vast majority of illegal aliens will self-deport.

After several years of vigorous enforcement, we can take stock and determine what's next.

1,617 posted on 11/22/2011 7:44:56 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: justsaynomore

That’s not an answer, it’s a dodge.

That’s the Cain talking point against Newt, right? If he’s not deporting all of the illegals, he’s for amnesty!

Here we have Cain saying exactly the same thing as Newt, and you know it.


1,618 posted on 11/22/2011 7:45:34 PM PST by TitansAFC (Doug Hoffman says it's good to support Newt, so stop being mad on his behalf when he doesn't want it)
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To: Grunthor
I simply do not share it.

Fair enough.

I actually have issues with Newt beyond immigration (Freddie Mac) but he more than made up for it with me when he was the only one on stage to express a concern about an EMP terrorist attack.

I think he actually might win this.

1,619 posted on 11/22/2011 7:45:56 PM PST by Tribune7 (Perry, Newt, Cain or Santorum)
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To: Bigun

So you’re advocating a closed border with only one side closed. How is you do that again? If someone presents themself to this closed border (and I want it shut down tight, too), how do the illegals then get out? With governemtn assistance?


1,620 posted on 11/22/2011 7:46:29 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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