Posted on 11/28/2011 9:40:09 AM PST by SeekAndFind
But does he understand how this came about? I believe it is because our public schools are very down on subjects where males do better than females.
Interesting article. I think “skilled blue collar” is still alive and well for those who wish to go that route.
I just wish they weren’t so union-dominated.
Good article.
They still have many trade classes at my small town High School. There is a waiting list to get in. Also night classes for adults.
If you want to learn a trade, you still can. You just have to want it.
It is due to HS guidance counselors is pushing more people into these worthless degrees and attempting to dissuade students from attending the “Evil” “For-Profit” schools that actually have a higher graduation and hiring rate.
A recruiter for Union Pacific Corp, Ferrie Bailey’s comments are blocked by the paywall for the WSJ. Can someone tell me what skills she is looking for? Welding? Machining? If so I have a suggestion, pay more for those skills and more qualified applicants will show up.
I find a lot of these employer complaints are from companies wanting something for nothing above their idea of market value.
A lot of those cannot be shipped overseas to India as a bonus !
bfl
True, in an economic downturn employers are all too willing to lower the payscales in hopes that desperate folks will accept anything even remotely close to their needs.
My current employer uses this "rationale" to explain why we aren't getting raises or higher raises. Granted, it's their prerogative whether I get one or not, but don't attempt to insult my intelligence by lying to me about it.
In my experience, I've seen that when there's a surplus of labor, the rates go down. When there's a shortage, the rates go up.
I do recall my shop classes quite fondly. About the only classes I took where I felt that I actually learned something of value.
RE: I find a lot of these employer complaints are from companies wanting something for nothing above their idea of market value.
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Are you saying that the article is giving us BS when it calls these unfilled jobs -— “secure, well-paying jobs with good benefits that don’t require a college degree” ?
“Nobody is going to be able to log in to “the cloud” from Brazil and dig a new foundation for your home, wire it up, install the plumbing or put on a new roof. Those jobs will remain here at home.”
Someone still needs to have the money to pay them to do the job.
A big problem, is that employers want someone that knows exactly what to do, so they will just blend in and be productive. Unfortunately, a lot of times, they are the only ones that have experienced people with those specific requirements. Employers want some that can work on rev x, while there may be a number of people that know rev y or rev w, the employers don’t want to spend any overhead on training or OJT.
13-20 million unemployed and nobody is trainable ?
you’ll have a hell of an employee if you do train ‘em and pay ‘em half way decent.
Skilled blue collar with about a year of business school is a good way to go.
Can someone tell me what skills she is looking for? Welding? Machining? If so I have a suggestion, pay more for those skills and more qualified applicants will show up.
Do you honestly believe that unemployed electricians with experience working on diesel engines (according to the WSJ column) are sitting around on their asses waiting for Union Pacific to raise its payscale? ROTFLMAO
Shop classes were done away with for one main reason:
LIABILITY
It is really hard to cut your finger off in language arts class. I saw a stoner cut through their finger with the 20” bandsaw back in 1980. If that happened today, the school would probably be in for a major lawsuit. This is why SAWSTOP tablesaws are selling for more than a Powermatic.
They pay themselves off in just the reduced insurance premium.
The other reason is the cost of shop space in machinery and materials. It is a lot cheaper to offer advanced math than basic woodshop or automotive.
Those who can do. Those who cannot, teach. Those who cannot teach, teach gym. Or shop.
My biggest regret about HS was the absolute incompetence of my teachers. I probably had only two competent HS teachers in my four years.
I agree. It is a good article. I don’t know if I’d chalk this situation up to some nefarious plot, though.
However, I think a J-school graduate that refers to “good paying jobs” should go back to school and brush up a bit on the grammar.
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