BREAKING: Cain ‘Reassessing’ Candidacy

NRO ^ | Tuesday November 29, 2011 | Robert Costa

[monkeyshine]

I really liked Cain’s 999 proposal. It wasn’t perfect, but it was really important to me to have a dramatic proposal (as he called it “bold”) to reform the system - and the tax code is the heart of the system, it is what gives DC its power. I really can’t overstate how much I wanted 999 to become a rally point for the GOP campaign. I know it had detractors here on FR and more out there in the media and the world - in many cases from people who lack vision and don’t really believe in limited government or don’t see outside the box the many ways in which the private sector already does the work the government is duplicating or triplicating.

Unfortunately the candidates on the GOP stage mostly trashed talked it. I won’t forgive Bachmann for the way she mis-characterized and slandered it. I despise her now. But I can’t blame her. Cain was, unfortunately, too weak a candidate even in his explanation of 999. He was also weak in other areas as a candidate. So I had a really hard time supporting him no matter now much I loved 999.

There is a way to make 999 work and at the same time shrink the IRS to a shell of its self. I have written a bit about it here on FR in various places - sometimes ridiculed and called a shill for it. I was just really enthused by the new idea and thought of many ways it could be implemented very efficiently, ridding us of many of the onerous burdens businessmen know. I may some day pick it up and try to expand upon what I have written, make it something more subsstantial. 999 as pitched is not perfect, but it can be retooled in a few places. That retooling, along with some explanations on how 999 can be efficiently implemented to make tax collection easy and almost pain free, can be (and if I can help it will be) the next steps. While Cain will probably fade away now, and 999 may lie dormant for a while, but a few people will continue to work on it I hope. If I ever get the free time I will certainly try my best, independently, to pick it up and work on it. I never worked on or for a political campaign, and still haven’t, yet 999 lit a fire in me. It rang a bell. I can see how it can work, I can see ways to fix it, and I can see ways to implement it.

Some day I hope an idea like 999 - if not 999 itself - will resurface with a stronger candidate behind it. While Cain will probably fade away, 999 may linger and it will if I have anything to say about it. I will have to find the time, make the time to do it. But I truly thought it was an important, dramatic step to reform politics. Making everyone part of the tax revenue system even if in a very modest way is vital if we want to restore our Republic, take our Republic back from the two parties that have corrupted it and divided the people; to make it a government of, by and for the people once more.

[sanjuanbob]

Don’t forget all the managers and employees that were fired after 20 years on the job being lined up by the media. Let’s see this one who lost her home while her elderly father with alzheimers disease lived with her. The plan is in place.

[Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!]

2010 made pubs rule legislature. Obama seemingly overnight in 2008 had NC suddenly able to vote 2 weeks early.Purdue (the gov that called to suspend elections AND has/had presidential aspirations) vetoed the voter ID law so NC has flipped for Obama.I have no idea how the once strict voter ID law in NC was abolished.(I voted in NC and in 2008 had to show ID 2010 didn’t)This is why the DNC convention is in NC Obama is paying back his progressive witch that got elected because moveon.org worked NC colleges.I regret I cannot vote against her as a North Carolinian anymore but NC will vote the witch out unless Obama cheats again.

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[Democrat_media]

Pat Buchanan was right back in 1992 when he ran against GHWB and has been usually right ever since. Had this country adopted his policies back then we’d not have the myriad of domestic problems we have today (illegal immigration, China, H1-B overload, Cultural decay, etc).”

Yes if Pat would have won in 1992 the U.S. would be rising now instead of declining and on the verge of collapse under the weight of foreign invasions of illegals and foreign products. Instead no one listed to Buchanan so there are no jobs and the U.S. is about to collapse like Europe is about to also. The invasion of Illegals and China products keep pouring over the border destroying what is left of a once great nation called America. Maybe if Pat jumps in now it might not be too late to reverse this trend. It’s our only hope.

[littleharbour]

I still have campaign memorabilia from 1992 which I picked up in Charleston, SC when Pat crashed the Southern Republican Leadership Conference which was trying to coronate Bush, Sr. It was quite a wild ride. Unfortunately, since 1992 Pat has had bouts of insanity, as was all too sadly apparent during his 2000 campaign debacle. Some great policy ideas, but too unstable for a serious run.

[Future Useless Eater]

You're right. But maybe we need to start recognizing that no human is perfect, that ALL our candidates are better people that the scum on the left.

And Obama in particular has HIDDEN most of his past from scrutiny.
see what Obama's classmate at Occidental said he was like, here:

Marlzberg: 
OK, So there's Barry Obama, and... 
tell me why you believe that 
he was a Marxist back then? 

Drew:
OK, well my most vivid memory is how INSISTENT he was  
in arguing a Marxist / Leninist point of view. 
I was arguing a more moderate Marxist view that just said
that even though a lot of Marxist ideas were correct, 
it was implausible that we would ever see a revolution 
led by the working class to overthrow the elite. 
And Obama did NOT buy that AT ALL. 
He made a very principled, dedicated, impassioned argument 
that in fact, a REAL revolution was coming.  
And in a sense, we should all get on board and prepare ourselves 
physically and emotionally for that revolution. 

...

Marlzberg: 
yea, and so, OK, he wasn't ambitious at the time. 
But the revolution, that he saw coming, this fit in with some other remarks you
made, about the United States, where you say that you believe that Obama perceived
America as the ENEMY. In what sense? 

Drew:
He DEFINITELY saw America as the enemy. 
He believed that the ruling elite had rigged our economic system
so that it CAUSED people to be poor. 
And it was immoral, and it was wrong, and the only 
way you could tip things back so we all 
could enjoy a more prosperous lifestyle, 
was to redistribute the wealth. 

I also realized that Poll Position SHOULD have swapped pictures here, and put in Ron Paul's picture in 4th place, since Perry's numbers round UP to 5% and Paul's numbers round to 6%

Gingrich 32%, Romney 23%

Poll		Date		Sample		Gingr. 	Romn. 	Cain 	Perry 	Paul 	Bachm. 	Santo. 	Hunts. 
YouGov		11/19 - 11/22	312 LRV		31	20	15	5	8	3	3	4
Poll Position	11/22 - 11/22	540 LRV		30.3	21.4	11.3	5.9	4.5	6.2	2.0	2.4
Poll Position	11/27 - 11/27	499 LRV		32.1	23.2	13.6	4.9	5.6	4.1	2.5*est	2.7

LRV in these cases means registered Likely Republican Voters

[RitchieAprile]

To say that the campaign is ‘reassessing’ is like saying its over.

Someone found that he was vulnerable to such an attack.
Interesting that these attacks have not come out against
RP or Mitt. Either Cain is guilty of the charges, and is lying and thought he could brazen his way out of it, or was
naive in his thinking that opposition research would not target past associations.

Either way, a POTUS has to be smarter than this.

Thanks for playing, Herman.

[Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!]

I remember how he was alinskyized as being a jew hater and was called nuts but he sure looks good now.

[Future Useless Eater]

That’s fine BB, so who do you like then if Cain DOES get forced out by the rabid MSM.

Oh, and by the way, I heard by freepmail that this WHOLE THREAD is a hoax, that Cain never said “Reassess his campaign”

————> “...he [Cain] shared that Ginger White WAS a friend of his (and his wife’s) and she was a struggling unemployed single mom who received several eviction notices due to being unable to pay her rent. So being the good man that he is, Mr. Cain helped her out financially as a FRIEND, as he has done for other friends in the past.”

If it turns out Cains wife has known all along that he helped out this unemployed friend pay her rent in a time of great need, he could recover. I hope he does.

[firebrand]

I would just like to remind you and others who are thinking of sitting the presidential out that even with a Republican House and Senate we cannot keep OHitler from signing all these executive orders, ignoring the Constitution, and breaking laws all over the place. The Congress is like it doesn’t exist, except as a foil for OHitler to blame for everything.

If I promise to vote for the presidential nominee, you guys can too. Nose-holding time, or bye bye country.

[Mr. Silverback]

Well, that’s that. He’s done.

[altura]

I thought Mark was a little snarky, especially with the Wilt Chamberlain thing, but everything he said was true.

Mark Steyn was critical of 3 people, gingrich, cain and Romney.

He doesn’t seem to realize that there are others in the race.

By the way, this is a sad thread.

I don’t see any of the fervent Cain supporters here who were mad at me yesterday for predictng Cain would drop out.

It is deeply disappointing when someone you love lets you down and the Cain supporters really seemed to love him

The reason for that I have not been able to fathom, but the reaction here is a lot of bitterness, acompanied by a trashing of every other candidate, acompanied by some kind of pledge not to vote.

I hope everyone will pull themselves together, get over it, and look at the rest of the field without malice.

Cain let us down. Sarah let us down also by not running.

It’s time to get on with our lives.

[Bokababe]

For decades, the Republicans have counted on making you hate whoever is the Democratic nominee or incumbent enough that they will make you swallow whatever garbage establishment insider Republican candidates they shove at you — even though they are just more of the same.

As far as I can see, there are only two candidates that have any shot whatever at beating Obama. One is Mitt Romney and the other is Ron Paul.

Mitt is a professional politician who will say anything to get elected and he believes none of it, hence his flip-floping whenever it’s politically expedient. Mitt was groomed from childhood to become president (his father ran in 1968) and is backed by the same banking interests that screwed us with TARP, the Federal Reserve and the bailouts. But Mitt just might get enough politically brain dead people on both sides of the aisle to vote for him to make him a nominally viable contender. If that happens, I see a virtual continuation of the Obama Administration with a nominal Republican leading the charge, even if he wins — and I doubt he will. I think that most Republicans will sit this one out.

Ron Paul already has the most Democrats switching sides and actually even registering Republican to vote for him, since the Democratic crossovers in 1980 to vote for Ronald Reagan. All this, when the GOP elite & the media have done their best to hide him under a basket and treat him like a crazy old uncle. Ron Paul has more support from the US military than all the Republican candidates combined. And love him or hate him, what he ISN’T is a liar. RP hasn’t changed his positions on anything — other than the death penalty — in 30 years. What you see is what you get. And this man will change things — he really is the “Hope & Change” that people voted for with Obama but never got. He’s a Constitutionalist and an American nationalist — he wants what’s good for us, not what’s good for the globalist corporatists who are using America to protect their interests on our dime and with our blood.

And what’s more, those who support Ron Paul are not going to support Mitt Romney over Obama. People can argue that this will just reelect Obama — and that is probably true — but it won’t change their minds. Ron Paul voters are going to write in Ron Paul if he’s not the nominee.
So Republicans are going to have to decide whether they really meant “Anybody but Obama” or not. Personally, I think that the GOP old guard would really rather Obama’s reelection than support Ron Paul — if that’s the case, then GOP deserves its own demise.

[j_tull]

I do remember. He won, TWICE! Do you remember that?

[Democrat_media]

The liberal media says Pat Buchanan, Palin, Cain etc. can't win.

I say any of these can beat Obama as people see that Obama and democrats are destroying jobs and America.

When Pat explains how illegal immigration and China are destroying America people will listen and vote accordingly We can't be giving in the the liberal media. Sadly we let the liberal media pick our candidates.

[azcap]

“The GOP is trying to crush the tea party”

The GOP is doing no such thing. The Tea Party are “crushing” each other and themselves. What did the GOP, Karl Rove or Fox News do to make Herman Cain cheat on his wife for 13 years? What did the GOP do to Rick Perry to make him fumble every time he gets the ball? All this “the GOP is out to get anybody but Romney” talk reminds of the great “conspiracy” to keep Duncan Hunter from running away with the nomination. Conservatives need to to come to grips with the fact that they will have to compromise on the best conservative they can get - he may be someone who is squishy on immigration or someone who cheated on his wife(s). But if conservatives insist on their perfect candidate or nothing Romney WILL be the nominee. The time to coalescence was two months ago and the longer conservatives take to pick one guy and make their stand the more likely it is that plurality Mitt will win.

[Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!]

[dragnet2]

Please don’t post stuff like that about Perry.

I don't belong to your Perry fan club. Find someone else to control.

[Erik Latranyi]

Just out of curiosity, do you think McCain lost because he wasn’t conservative enough?

McCain lost because he was for/against everything/nothing......like a typical politician with no core values.

If McCain was a real conservative who could articulate and defend his positions, then he would have fared far, far better.

McCain could not secure his own party base. He only did that after nominating Palin.

We need a strong conservative voice who can articulate and defend the ideology.....not someone who will waffle and cut deals (Romney)

[monkeyshine]

Yep, it looks like Cain is buried under these accusations. Frankly I never endorsed him here on FR because he seemed weak in too many areas. It’s not his lack of politics that bothered me. It was that he really couldn’t get whole answers out. He couldn’t defend 999 very well, let alone explain it thoroughly so people could understand it. Even on his website the explanation begged several questions. And when it came to other issues like foreign policy and immigration etc - he basically punted the answers with comments like “Well first I will listen to the generals” or “I will assemble a team to advise me”. We of course he will. Every President does. He just wasn’t able to come across as thoroughly competent.

All that said, I loved - absolutely loved - the 999 plan. It made me so enthusiastic. I loved the idea that everyone has to have at least a little skin the game. I loved that it took the power away from lobbyists and politicians. And so much more about it. No matter what happens with Cain, I hope 999 or plans like it will continue to come from candidates in the future. It won’t come from Congress or the Senate - they need the current tax code for their power. But a Presidential candidate with a handle on things and with some vigor who can get the electorate enthused might be able to pull it off. If things like SS, Medicare and Obamacare got passed - a new tax code is not impossible. Hard yes. Impossible, no.