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MU Prof Wants Cold Fusion Puzzle Solved
The Columbia Daily Tribune ^ | 12-3-11 | Janese Silvey

Posted on 12/03/2011 7:53:19 AM PST by Controlling Legal Authority

Rather than squabbling over the merits of studying cold fusion or jumping to the conclusion that excess heat produced at room temperature is a nuclear reaction, the scientific community needs to back up — all the way to the top of the scientific method.

(Excerpt) Read more at columbiatribune.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: coldfusion; lenr

1 posted on 12/03/2011 7:53:24 AM PST by Controlling Legal Authority
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To: Controlling Legal Authority

In the end this guy just wants more money from the .gov(taxpayers) to fund his lifestyle.


2 posted on 12/03/2011 7:57:27 AM PST by 95B30 ( The Professional Left: "Their morals are crooked, their take logic is flawed, their honor is stolen)
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To: 95B30

Roger that. But it is academia that provide secure, staged, and scripted safehavens for the one to tell the world of what it needs. Academic Croneyism.


3 posted on 12/03/2011 8:03:17 AM PST by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: 95B30

Basic research is a legitimate role for government. Solyndra-like central planning and investment in firms is not a legitimate role. Mizzou Vice Chancellor Rob Duncan is correct when he says it is long past time to conduct the basic research into these low-level exothermic processes. It’s been 32 years since Pons & Fleischmann published their results and we still don’t know much about the processes at work.


4 posted on 12/03/2011 8:14:10 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: 95B30
Absolutely! Remember when they said nuclear energy would be to cheap to meter. Cold fusion has been a scam since the 70s that I know of and maybe longer. Have no idea how many millions have already been spent but the basic rule of thumb is “ if the private sector doesn't see enough potential to fund it then it simply isn't there".
5 posted on 12/03/2011 8:15:42 AM PST by ontap
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"Basic research is a legitimate role for government."

Um.... no it's not.

Unless I missed that in the enumerated powers.

6 posted on 12/03/2011 8:30:26 AM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to profreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: Controlling Legal Authority

We get to heart of it, trolling for government money.


7 posted on 12/03/2011 8:46:59 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Controlling Legal Authority
Some researchers swear by the "E-Cat" approach:


8 posted on 12/03/2011 9:16:42 AM PST by mikrofon (It's not rocket surgery)
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To: Mr. K
It is right beside the sentence that says the government has the right to determine which kid should be a janitor and train them. I know it is there newt said it was.
9 posted on 12/03/2011 9:48:08 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: Controlling Legal Authority; dangerdoc; citizen; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; ...

Duncan is proposing the federal government offer a competitive grant that would let university researchers more thoroughly study excess heat phenomena. MU likely would vie for such funding, but there are professors at several major research universities interested in the field.

“Without a nationally funded program, you’re going to be limited by the scope of what you can do,” he said.

***Scientists first approach a subject matter by asking for money from the guvmint.

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles



10 posted on 12/03/2011 9:59:47 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: ontap
"Cold fusion has been a scam since the 70s that I know of and maybe longer. Have no idea how many millions have already been spent but the basic rule of thumb is “ if the private sector doesn't see enough potential to fund it then it simply isn't there"."

Cold fusion has NEVER been a scam, though it has been sold as such by the "hot fusion physicists". In fact, MIT actually committed fraud in their "experiments" that supposedly proved it didn't exist. But they succeeded, and CF has been considered "fringe science" ever since, despite the fact that a large number of very reputable researchers have done SUCCESSFUL work on it. Unfortunately, due to the underground campaign by the "hot physics" types, the only folks who "can" work on it are those who have independent funding (i.e. emeritus professors tapping small university grants that the "prestige committees" can't control).

Other than "private sector funding", the above is the only type research that has not been stifled, other than a couple of VERY small efforts funded by the Navy.

Oh, and this is not "just" cold fusion that has been so treated....other approaches to "hot fusion" than the tokamak have been treated the same way (see "Bussard Polywell" for a VERY promising approach).

You can find the entire saga of cold fusion (including PEER-REVIEWED papers) at LENR-CANR.ORG

11 posted on 12/03/2011 11:11:39 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Basic research is a legitimate role for government.

No. The sole legitimate function of government is to protect the rights of citizens. When you take a personal agenda like you've just stated above, and coercively force other people to fund it via taxation, you have turned government into an oppressor.

12 posted on 12/03/2011 5:14:48 PM PST by Liberty1970 (Skepticism and Close-mindedness are two very different things.)
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To: ontap

Cold fusion has been a scam since the 70s that I know of and maybe longer.
***That’s a neat trick, since cold fusion wasn’t even reported until 1989 by Pons & Fleischmann.


13 posted on 12/03/2011 9:56:02 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

Dear assorted PhD, Professors and Master’s Candidates’

As a taxpayer, I am paying for your salaries - for you to conduct your job. Now, as we are all aware, the life of an academic is to “Publish or die”. Might I suggest that for your own survival, you consider doing reasearch on Cold Fusion using the funds that have so graciously been given to you over the decades, by taxpayers, existing research grants from various gov’t agencies, grants from corporations, and from the various Alma Matter groups that you beg money from every year.

To the best of my knowledge, no other industry has managed to raise their cost structures that in any way can compare to what “Higher Education” has done with tuition. It seems that this money is being wasted. How about managing the money you are currently receiving, responsibly and maturely? Sure, someone in your academic ranks can perform the task that any Dairy Queen Franchise owner has been able to perform for decades. If not, perhaps you should surrender your position to someone who is competitent to handle these matters.

This should be something that the academic community should be rushing to embrace, instead of something that your community is demanding money to investigate.

But what do I know, I’m just a fool who pays your salary.


14 posted on 12/04/2011 7:11:21 PM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Hodar

This should be something that the academic community should be rushing to embrace, instead of something that your community is demanding money to investigate.
***Good point. The problem is that politics drives the money and resources. Of course, the process generates lemmings. When the black swan event happens, they all line up afterwards and say that it was obvious all along and they fully supported it. Yeah, right.


15 posted on 12/04/2011 9:26:44 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: ontap
Well, yeah, nuclear fusion has been a scam since November 1 1952 ~

Billions were spent on that, and the follow up with magnetic confinement devices of all sorts.

So, where is all this money you think has been spent on "cold fusion"? My understanding is that virtually all of the development has been with private funds, but if you know otherwise let's see your numbers.

16 posted on 12/05/2011 2:43:40 PM PST by muawiyah
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