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Certifigate : Donald Trump now casts even more doubt on Obama
WND ^ | DECEMBER 5, 2011 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 12/06/2011 12:01:25 AM PST by RobinMasters

The mainstream media are "protecting" Barack Obama's "unconstitutional" tenure in the White House, refusing to investigate allegations that he fails to meet the Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural born citizen," according to flamboyant billionaire Donald Trump.

In a conference call today with reporters, WND asked Trump why, if he believes defeating Obama is so significant in 2012, doesn't he use his influence to mount a formal investigation into Obama's eligibility.

There have been allegations since long before Obama's election in 2008 that he is not a "natural-born citizen," a requirement imposed on no other official.

Obama's critics believe that at the time the Constitution was written, the Founders understood "natural-born citizen" to mean the offspring of two citizens.

Obama has claimed he was born in Hawaii, but birth documentation he's released has been judged by a number of document, imaging and graphics experts to be fake.

Others believe he would fail to qualify no matter his place of birth, because his father, Barack Obama Sr., was a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Obama Jr.'s birth. They allege the Founders precluded dual citizens by specifically demanding a "natural-born citizen."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bc; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; noaccountability; notransparency; obama; patriottrump; trump; undocumentedobama
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1 posted on 12/06/2011 12:01:26 AM PST by RobinMasters
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Natural born or not.. Obama was an Indonesian citizen..
WHEN did he become an American citizen..? or become re-instated as one..?..

Where is the paperwork?..

2 posted on 12/06/2011 12:11:32 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 1 ( Layers )

That totally blows 0bozo's phony BC out of the water and there are three followup videos.

3 posted on 12/06/2011 12:27:47 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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How do you know that?

5 posted on 12/06/2011 12:44:55 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: F15Eagle
One wonders if he enrolled as a “foreign aid” student though.

Its been rumored for the longest time.

Note, he won't release any of his academic records. Now maybe he was a poor student (he has said as much in his own book), but at law school, its pretty safe to say he must have grades (leftist teacher, leftist student, blah blah blah), but he won't release any of this stuff, and its quite weird.

6 posted on 12/06/2011 12:55:43 AM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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Tonight the following posts appeared on this thread:;page=51

The poster was SvenMagnussen. His statements are intriguing because they indicate a knowledge of the State Department and how it functions, now and it the past. Many people challenge him - I do not. At the bottom I have two comments which dovetail with his statements.

Barry Soetoro returned to the U.S. from Indonesia when he was 10 years old as an unaccompanied minor of Indonesian Nationality. He was immediately taken into custody as an abandoned child by the U.S. INS.

Catholic Social Services of Connecticut took custody of Barry and later appointed Barry grandmother, Madelyn Payne, as his guardian.

Soon, the Soetoro adopted [adoption?] was annulled and Barry’s name was legally changed back to Barack Hussein Obama II. He continued to be an Indonesian National. Catholic Social Services continued to be Barack’s custodian until his 18th birthday, thus the Connecticut SSN. Legally, Barack’s residence was Connecticut even though he was residing with his guardian in Honolulu, HI.

Barack became a Naturalized American Citizen a few years after his 18th birthday.

An American child abandoned by his parents is taken into Child Protective Services managed by a state agency. In the case of Barry Soetoro landing in Hawaii as an accompanied minor, he would have been taken into protective custody by Hawaii Child Protective Services if he were an American citizen.

Since Barry Soetoro was an Indonesian National when he arrived in Hawaii at the age of 10, he was taken into Federal Protective custody. Catholic Social Services of Connecticut was contracted with the U.S. State Department to administer their child services needs in 1971. Consequently, Barry Soetoro was in the custody of Catholic Social Services until his 18th birthday, the age of majority.

Although Barry lived with his grandmother in Hawaii, he was in the custody of Catholic Social Services of Connecticut. His grandmother was his appointed guardian. Catholic Social Services of Connecticut managed his life as a surrogate parent while his grandmother, Madelyn Payne, attended to his day to day needs.

It was Catholic Social Services of Connecticut that filed for Obama’s SSN. Consequently, he has a Connecticut SSN prefix.

Any American citizen, regardless of age, can move out of the country and renounce their citizenship.

Obots like to quote State Department guidance written after Obama was sworn in to claim a parent cannot renounce a child’s citizenship. This is State Department guidance for 2009.

This was not the guidance for 1966,67.

It’s guidance, not law. The Obama Administration instituted the policy a parent cannot move out of the country and renounce a child’s U.S. Citizenship.

Obot’s consider the guidance issued in 2009 to apply to 1966, 1967. It’s laughable.

Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and renamed Barry Soetoro. Lolo Soetoro was listed as the birth father on Barry Soetoro’s Hawaiian COLB after the adoption was finalized.

Why wouldn’t the SoS in 1966 or 1967 accept an Oath of Renunciation from a kid born in Hawaii with an Indonesian father who had moved back to Indonesia to live there indefinitely?

Only the Secretary of State (SoS), representing the Executive Branch of the U.S. (POTUS), can terminate a persons U.S. Citizenship. This is done when the SoS signs a Certificate of Loss of Nationality with an official U.S. State Department Seal is pressed into the document.

An Oath of Renunciation is a request for the SoS to issue a Certificate of Loss of Nationality. Issuing a Certificate of Loss of Nationality is optional. The State Department keeps a policy manual for guidance to ensure everyone is treated the same. But, policies change and there are exceptions to every policy statement.

Several copies of the Certificate of Loss of Nationality are retained and issued to various Executive Branch federal agencies; i.e. State Department, FBI, INS, Secret Service, IRS, etc.

It’s the greatest fraud ever perpetrated on the United States.

1. In July 2007, the Democratic Party sent the American Samoan Congressional Representative to Jakarta, along with about $200,000 in cash, to buy up all government records pertaining to BHO2/Barry Soetoro, and all available Soetoro family photographs.

If BHO2 was a U.S. citizen, there was no need to do this act.

2. When L.Col. Lakin was being tried, his lawyer discovered that Barry Soetoro had an immigration file and requested a copy. The request was denied and the file is now in the possesseion of Janet Napilotano of Homeland Security.

Natural born citizens DO NOT have immigration files!

I would hope this information gets some of your brain cells buzzing; it certainly has mine going!

8 posted on 12/06/2011 1:26:16 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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Wow. I just watched all four videos. Have these ever been posted on FR as their own thread?

10 posted on 12/06/2011 1:41:25 AM PST by BagCamAddict (If we let them run Cain out of town, they will do it to EVERY GOP candidate from now on.)
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It could be bad grades or ................

Well, here's my biggest question, at this point, anything he has in those records or files, could be altered or changed, so why hasn't it been done ?

Just to one more step on the hypothetical route, with the birth certificate, why would the POTUS, with access to billions of dollars, access to donors, and people with power, and an entire political party and apparatus, not to mention being in direct charge of the entire US intelligence community, not create the best damn forgery on earth of say a birth certificate ?

If anything, that document should look and be more "real" or realistic, then anything or anyone else's...........Unless, the guy and his minions are honestly that incompetent, something that should never ever be ruled out.

FWIW, I've heard this rumor a long time ago, and have no idea if it is or isn't true, but one is that, years ago, he may have committed financial aid fraud, among other things, which while not exactly totally rare among young students, is also something that could really really tick off a lot of kids today.

11 posted on 12/06/2011 1:41:59 AM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: SatinDoll

The problem with “Sven”’s SS theory is that Obama’s SSN had already been issued to someone else. That person died in Hawaii, having lived in Connecticut previously.

That a SSN was reused has never happened before, according to the SSA.

The more likely explanation is that Grandma Dunham, with her access to the probate courts in Honolulu as a volunteer worker, lifted the number off of an estate record to give Barry some legitimacy.

That and the Selective Service record signed in 1980 on a 2008 form, along with the layered BC point to a massive fraud being perpetrated on the American people.

18 posted on 12/06/2011 2:23:27 AM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. We have ideas-the Dems only have ideology.)
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Way too coincidental.

I would keep the ear and eyes open for whats on the street on the islands for the next month.

See who visits and where they come from, it would also be coincidental I could say if some high ranking members of certain countries also too a vacation, but I would just like to see if anything out of the ordinary occurs in the Governors office, mysterious burglary, suspicious fires etc.

Where barry goes he leaves a black hole of silence.

19 posted on 12/06/2011 2:28:51 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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