Posted on 12/09/2011 7:12:10 AM PST by maggief
It's not just the Mitt Romney camp keeping up the hits against Newt Gingrich. Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, the son of the presidential candidate, takes to the pages of the Des Moines Register to attack the former House speaker as an influence-peddling "Rockefeller Republican":
Both Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich supported the outrageous $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, bailouts — “one of the most unpopular government programs in American history,” even according to President Obama’s own Treasury Department.
Both Romney and Gingrich have been outspoken and unapologetic supporters of the individual mandate. This is the heart and soul of ObamaCare. …. Continue Reading
Gingrich is not from the tea party. He is not even a conservative.
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
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http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20111209/OPINION01/312090025/Rand-
Rand Paul: Republicans would take a giant step backward by choosing Gingrich
How many times has Paul ran for president? I lost count. He isnt even a republican..he is a libertarian. Why doesn’t he run on the Libertarian ticket?
So we should choose Mitt Romney?
Because, that’s really what it’s comming down to at this point. Nobody else is going to rise up and become the anti-Romney. If the Gingrich nail gets hammered back down, the conservative vote will be split between Gingrich, Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, and Paul—resulting in a Romney victory.
That’s just the way it is at this point in the race.
Rand not Ron.
Source, please? Because what I currently find is this;
Here is May 2011:
GINGRICH: I’ve said consistently we ought to have some requirement to either have health insurance or you post a bond or in some way you indicate you are going to be held accountable."
Now, let me ask you, if you won't post a bond, but simply sign a waiver holding the government blameless should you fail to pay your medical bills, if we insist that people acknowledge that they will be responsible for paying for something, is that a mandate? If so, I am for it, too.
Or do you prefer we continue a welfare state?
“Rand not Ron.”
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>> Rand not Ron
What’s the difference? This is just sonny boy pimping for daddy... birds of a feather. Of COURSE Rand Paul is going to bash the front runner, WHOEVER it is. (And it’ll NEVER be daddy, I can assure you of that.)
I think Ron Paul is probably doing Republicans a favor by not running on the Libertarian ticket.
Isn’t Rand’s daddy an inside the beltway establishment man? looks like Rands op ed is calling the kettle black. Besides, I dont consider the Pauls conservative republicans
The above line from the article is inaccurate. Gingrich has said that he's determined his version of individual mandate just isn't workable.
For the record, his version was individual based and not huge program based. Gingrich supported individuals paying for their own hospital bills. Therefore, he wanted to require those using hospitals to have insurance or post a bond.
>> if we insist that people acknowledge that they will be responsible for paying for something, is that a mandate
Yes! And it’s SO unFAIR! It’s my RIGHT to have health care paid for with Other People’s Money. I need all of MINE to pay my X-Box payment and my flatscreen teevee payment and my car payment and my bar tab and...
If I get sick it’s YOUR problem. Isn’t that in the bill-o-rites somewhere?
“Yes! And it’s SO unFAIR! It’s my RIGHT to have health care paid for with Other People’s Money”
Oh yeah. Forgot about that right. Sorry. Check’s in the mail.
The nut doesn’t fall far from the tree.
>> Go check out a few of his Senate speeches on You Tube and tell me what’s not to like.
I am aware of Rand Paul’s views, and I like him fine when he sticks to his positions.
Pimping for Daddy by going all medieval on Gingrich? Not so much.
FRegards
But seriously — we need to bring back the concept of responsibility for oneself and one’s actions, and paying one’s own way.
As you (and Gingrich) point out, part of that is being responsible for your own health care costs, by whatever method works for you.
For most of us it’s health insurance.
But if you want to “self insure” AND BEAR THE BRUNT OF THE CONSEQUENCES IF YOU CAN’T AFFORD TO PAY, then that’s OK too. But no liver transplants, hip replacements, brain surgery, etc. for a “self-insurer” on the public dime! If you “self-insure” to avoid insurance payments and draw a losing hand healthwise, you just suffer and/or die. Cold? maybe. Tough. We’re broke.
I can't imagine another way out that will not draw us into the disastrous slippery slope that will be co-ops or "expanded Medicaid" or other euphemisms...we need to privatize, make portable and drive down costs by opening a free market that means that the 3 companies selling insurance in MD would have to compete with the 46 in PA.
Performance based outcomes will propel the better providers to the top and the market will sort out the lesser programs. 25% of the "uninsured" are "the invincibles" (the 18-25 year olds) that feel no need to buy insurance...if they do not buy insurance they can contract with private fee for service firms that will compete and possibly make loans or give them credit for procedures.
The higher risk 50-65 uninsured (uneligible for medicare, but struggle with no coverage, low income, job loss or pre-existing conditions) get assigned to a "risk pool" that better performing insurers will ultimately compete for, because they are able compete for them at reduced rates, giving them good coverage and reasonable rates.
The elderly will be covered by medicare and the indigent will be treated pro-bono by participating hospitals. I would like to see THAT pool covered by University Hospitals, many of whom have billion dollar grants behind the universties and should make use of the interns and younger doctors to keep the indigent covered, much as many law firms do.
Oh yeah Rand?
Well your Daddy’s crazy. So there.
Wow. Looks like you have given this a *lot* of thought. Very well stated.
I like the equation. Does “Individual Policies” mean “If you don’t want psychiatry, podiatry, chiropracty, maternity coverage you don’t have to buy it”? Because the loopy laws that have been passed on behalf of various medical lobbies forcing inclusion of these and other un-needed benefits have really driven up insurance costs.
Years ago when I first started my own business, we had something called “catastrophic health care coverage”. It paid for extended, serious illness, but we self-insured for discretionary stuff (doctor’s visits for the flu for example). It was VERY affordable, true INSURANCE. I bet you can’t even get that kind of coverage any more, most places.
Currently we use a HSA and high deductible health care policy. It works well but the cost of that for fiftysomethings is going up-up-up like everything else, and in five years of having it we have never collected a dime in benefits. If possible, I’d go back to the catastrophic insurance plan if I could. The HSA/HDHP is the next best thing for our situation.
I like the equation. Does “Individual Policies” mean “If you don’t want psychiatry, podiatry, chiropracty, maternity coverage you don’t have to buy it”?
Absolutely. I don’t have to buy motorcycle insurance if I want to buy a car.
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