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Another version of Mike McQueary's story about Jerry Sandusky surfaces
Pennlive.com ^ | 12-11-11 | Sarah Ganim

Posted on 12/11/2011 6:18:26 AM PST by FlJoePa

STATE COLLEGE -- Minutes after Mike McQueary says he stumbled upon something between Jerry Sandusky and a boy in a Penn State shower in 2002, he went to his father’s State College home seeking advice.

There, Dr. Jonathan Dranov, a family friend and colleague of McQueary’s father, sat with the then 28-year-old graduate assistant and listened to his very first account of what he had seen, a source told The Patriot-News.

According to the source with knowledge of Dranov’s testimony before the grand jury, it went like this:

McQueary heard "sex sounds" and the shower running, and a young boy stuck his head around the corner of the shower stall, peering at McQueary as an adult arm reached around his waist and pulled him back out of view.

Seconds later, Sandusky left the shower in a towel.

That account is different from the hand-written statement obtained by The Patriot-News that McQueary provided for investigators when he was interviewed in 2010.

It’s also different than the summary of his grand jury testimony in the 23-page initial grand jury presentment.

In both of those accounts, McQueary says he witnessed Sandusky sodomizing a boy as he stood with his hands against a shower wall.

McQueary says the pair turned and looked at him before he left.

However, Dranov told grand jurors that he asked McQueary three times if he saw anything sexual, and three times McQueary said no, according to the source.

Because of that response, the source says, Dranov told McQueary that he should talk to his boss, head football coach Joe Paterno, rather than police.

The next day Paterno and McQueary talked, and Paterno’s response to the conversation was widely scrutinized when the grand jury presentment was made public in November.

Paterno said graphic detail, such as rape, was never mentioned to him. But public outcry led to his firing five days after Sandusky was charged.

But more importantly than public opinion, Mike McQueary’s story is a key element to all the criminal cases involved in the Sandusky scandal.

His witness testimony was the only evidence of an assault in 2002 presented to grand jurors, and his detailed account is the reason that perjury charges were filed against two ousted Penn State officials. Both said they were told only about horseplay that made McQueary uncomfortable, while McQueary testified he told them explicit details about a rape.

Repeated attempts to reach McQueary over the past month for comment have been unsuccessful. McQueary was placed on leave after receiving death threats as a result of his testimony about allegations against Jerry Sandusky from people who believe he did not do enough to stop the alleged assault.

Friday, former Athletic Director Tim Curley and Vice President Gary Schultz will face a preliminary hearing on charges of perjury and failure to report a crime.

The case against them is dependent on the premise that McQueary’s testimony is more credible than theirs. Saturday, attorneys for Curley and Schultz issued this statement in response to Dranov’s testimony:

"We have not seen the grand jury transcript, so it would be imprudent to comment on its content. But, if this information is true, and we believe it is, it would be powerful, exculpatory evidence, and the charges against our clients should be dismissed."

His testimony might also be important on Tuesday to the case against Sandusky.

Jerry Sandusky arraignment on new charges Enlarge ANDY COLWELL, The Patriot-News Former Penn State football defensive coordinator Jerry" Sandusky, right, leaves the office of Centre County District Justice Daniel A. Hoffman under escort by Pennsylvania State Police and Attorney General's Office officials in Bellefonte, Pa. on Thursday, Dec. 7, following a grand jury investigation related to numerous child sex charges. ANDYCOLWELL for The Patriot-News Jerry Sandusky is arraigned on new child sexual abuse charges gallery (10 photos)

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Vowing to prove his innocence, Sandusky and his attorney, Joe Amendola, are sure to point out the inconsistencies in McQueary’s statements at a preliminary hearing in Bellefonte. Sandusky has been charged with more than 50 counts and maintained his innocence.

Since charges were filed Nov. 4, several variations of McQueary’s story have come out publicly.

His grand jury testimony says he heard slapping noises and saw a boy being sodomized by Sandusky. His hand-written statement to police says, "I did not see insertion. I am certain that sexual acts/the young boy being sodomized was occurring." He says the whole incident lasted about a minute. In an email he sent to friends following the firing of Joe Paterno, he says "I made sure it stopped," something not mentioned in the grand jury testimony or police statement. And now Dranov’s testimony describes a new scenario.

About two months after the incident McQueary describes in March 2002, Dranov and McQueary’s father, John, both physicians, had an unrelated meeting scheduled at Penn State with Gary Schultz, Dranov told the grand jury, according to the source.

Curious about how the story ended, Dranov inquired about what ever happened to Sandusky.

According to a source with knowledge of his testimony, Schultz told him then-university President Graham Spanier had met with Sandusky.

That’s something that isn’t mentioned in the grand jury presentment.

Spanier, who was forced to resign the same night Paterno was fired, testified before the grand jury that he had signed off on a decision to ban Sandusky from bringing children to the locker rooms in the future; however, Spanier, Curley and Schultz all deny they were ever informed a sexual assault occurred that night.

Attempts to reach Dranov were unsuccessful.

Sandusky, through Amendola, has offered yet another version of what happened in the showers. He doesn’t deny there was a boy showering with Sandusky that night, but Amendola says the child was surfing in the shower — horsing around — and never saw McQueary come into the locker room.

Instead, Amendola says, a few days later Sandusky was contacted by Curley, told that someone felt uncomfortable about what they’d seen, and Sandusky gave the name and phone number of the boy to Curley to help clear up the situation.

The grand jury report points out that no effort was made to contact the boy.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: dranov; mcqueary; pa; pedophilia; pennstate; sandusky; spanier
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1 posted on 12/11/2011 6:18:31 AM PST by FlJoePa
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To: FlJoePa; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Cincinatus' Wife; ...
Any man over 21 that who showers with boys under 18 while admiting to have had horseplay with them while naked and wet... is a candidate for a firing squad as far as I am concerned!
2 posted on 12/11/2011 6:28:04 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: FlJoePa

Paterno should have testified.

Penn State put football ahead of criminal rape of boys.

Shut the program down, and salt the earth where it existed.


3 posted on 12/11/2011 6:30:06 AM PST by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: FlJoePa

Looks like Paterno’s spin team is hard at work.


4 posted on 12/11/2011 6:30:52 AM PST by PAR35
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To: FlJoePa
Regardless of the possible variations in the accounts, something stinks to high heaven here. From grade school through high school, we wore uniforms and showered after each gym class (granted this was many years ago). If one of our teachers were to undress and join us in the showers, it would have caused a scandal that would surely have cost the teacher his job and possibly criminal charges.

If a teacher would have been caught showering with one of his students privately after-hours when no one else was around, well, that teacher would have been run out of town on a rail. In any versions of the story, what Sandusky did was unacceptable under any standards of common decency, and constituted the sexual abuse of a minor.

5 posted on 12/11/2011 6:33:39 AM PST by tjd1454
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To: FlJoePa
Damn...just plain damn.

Sandunsky should spend the rest of his life in a 6x9 cell for what he’z done to these kids.

Great coach or not, if Paterno knew about it and neglected to go to the cops with it, he too should be charged with a crime.

How many kids would have been spared a lifetime of emotional agony if just one of these nit-wits would have gone to the police.

Penn State football program was more important to these people.

6 posted on 12/11/2011 6:34:24 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: FlJoePa

I still refuse, so far, to believe that JoePa has done anything wrong. I find it difficult to understand all the character assination here.

I wonder if McQueery and Sandusky were/are having a lovers’ spat.


7 posted on 12/11/2011 6:35:51 AM PST by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: All

Do some of you people actually READ the articles before posting your expert commentary on them?

Or is it just another convenient opportunity to post “Joe knew!” “Shut the program down!!!” comments?


8 posted on 12/11/2011 6:40:36 AM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa

Amendola—the 49 year old who impregnated his 16 year-old client. Why has he not been disbarred?


9 posted on 12/11/2011 6:42:30 AM PST by NautiNurse
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To: FlJoePa
Spanier testified before the grand jury that he had signed off on a decision to ban Sandusky from bringing children to the locker rooms in the future

Translation:

We know you are a rapist, so keep on raping children, but don't do it on School property so when you get caught we won't be involved.

Oh yeah, and this bizarre fact: Spanier's "hobby" was to dress up like a clown and attend kids parties.

10 posted on 12/11/2011 6:45:57 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: PAR35

Paterno should be indicted what a disgrace this mans legacy will be


11 posted on 12/11/2011 6:48:03 AM PST by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: FlJoePa

I’d say the latter.


12 posted on 12/11/2011 6:52:39 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: Rannug
yes I agree with you. There are a lot people who just do not like anything having to do with sports for whatever reason. Add homosexuality and the charges of pedophilia and the intensity increases. Also, I am shocked that people here on FR who preach the US Constitution do not really understand that the right to due process is a constitutional right afforded to every US citizen, not just to the people we like or the people we want to vote for president.
13 posted on 12/11/2011 7:13:14 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: FlJoePa

Reading the article only slows them down.

McQueary’s story has problems. There are some contradictions. However, I think if Joe didn’t know, he didn’t want to know. Same difference in the end.


14 posted on 12/11/2011 7:15:30 AM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: italianquaker

What should Joepa be charged with? Please site the Pa State code that Joe pa violated and explain why he was not indicted.


15 posted on 12/11/2011 7:16:19 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Rannug

And OJ is innocent too.


16 posted on 12/11/2011 7:18:39 AM PST by The Old Commander (Where is Madam dufarge when we need her?)
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To: FlJoePa
The facts are the same, dumb-ass Joe knew what had happened he continued to associate with a pervert. Birds of a feather.
17 posted on 12/11/2011 7:20:21 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: The Old Commander

what law did joepa break?


18 posted on 12/11/2011 7:23:45 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

I know if someone told me what happened in that shower and I didnt report it to the police I would be indicted, Paterno is a disgrace


19 posted on 12/11/2011 7:31:35 AM PST by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: Bender2; Condor51; GOPJ; stephenjohnbanker; Libloather; sickoflibs; Grampa Dave; indylindy; ...
Any man over 21 who showers with boys under 18 while admiting to having had horseplay with them while naked and wet... is a candidate for a firing squad as far as I am concerned!

The scope and dimension of pedophilia perversion was exhibited when Sandusky actually went on TV---with his lawyer coaching him----and said he was "attracted" to young girls and boys, and did "nothing more" than shower and horseplay with young boys.

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Does this psychotic-pervert realize that even loving fathers do not shower with their sons.....b/c they know it is inappropriate.

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There is a HUGE push by pedophile groups to normalize this type of behavior----Sandusky permitted to say this on TV is part of the agit-prop.......the normalization/proselytizing process.

20 posted on 12/11/2011 7:32:26 AM PST by Liz
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To: Rannug

I think some people just want to prove they are more socially conservative than everyone else. It doesnt take much to rally reactionaries into a frenzy.


21 posted on 12/11/2011 7:32:59 AM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: italianquaker

What law did he break? What would you be indicted for? You really haven’t answered the question.


22 posted on 12/11/2011 7:35:03 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Thats for his lawyers and spinners to answer. I do know that he was in charge of a program where it is reported that dozens of kids were raped and it is reported he didnt report it to the Police, but hey he is “joepa”


23 posted on 12/11/2011 7:46:18 AM PST by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: Perdogg

[ what law did joepa break? ]

He didnt break a law.. he was merely a coward..
morally challenged and afraid of the fallout..

Like people that see a crime and do little or nothing..
He did do the bare minimum...


24 posted on 12/11/2011 7:53:39 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: italianquaker
No, you said he should be indicted. It is not spin, you said it. What should he be charged with?

The Grand Jury report addressed this. According to Pennsylvania State Law, “the person in charge of the school or institution,” upon being informed of suspected child abuse, “has the responsibility and legal obligation to report the abuse or cause such a report of the abuse to be made by telephone and in writing within 48 hours to the Department of Public Welfare of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.”

However, Paterno is not “the person in charge of the school or institution” and hence is not legally responsible for reporting the incident to the police. Otherwise, it would have been considered hersay, which is not admissible in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

25 posted on 12/11/2011 7:54:19 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: hosepipe

not according to the grand jury report.


26 posted on 12/11/2011 7:54:57 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Most people if they werent “joepa” would of been indicted but hey he was an institution but now a disgrace.

I will say it again “joepa” should of been indicted.


27 posted on 12/11/2011 7:59:46 AM PST by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: italianquaker

okay I get it now. He should be indicted for a mythical crime. Wow, so much for the Constitution.


28 posted on 12/11/2011 8:04:41 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

I guess you wont see it but hey lets enjoy our Sunday
Goodbye


29 posted on 12/11/2011 8:07:31 AM PST by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: italianquaker

Have a good Sunday my FRiend.


30 posted on 12/11/2011 8:19:29 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: italianquaker
"Thats for his lawyers and spinners to answer. I do know that he was in charge of a program where it is reported that dozens of kids were raped and it is reported he didnt report it to the Police, but hey he is "joepa""

Well you did get one thing right - Joe was the coach of a football program. Other than that, there isn't one single word of truth in that post. Not ONE! Nice job!

31 posted on 12/11/2011 8:23:48 AM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: tjd1454

“In any versions of the story, what Sandusky did was unacceptable under any standards of common decency, and constituted the sexual abuse of a minor.”

There were no standards of common decency at Ped State...Spanier saw to that, and JoePa allowed. Tar and Feather all of ‘em! Then throw ‘em together in that 6 x 9 cell.


32 posted on 12/11/2011 8:27:07 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: FlJoePa

ok


33 posted on 12/11/2011 8:39:09 AM PST by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: FlJoePa

ok


34 posted on 12/11/2011 8:39:13 AM PST by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: FlJoePa

ok


35 posted on 12/11/2011 8:39:27 AM PST by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: FlJoePa

ok


36 posted on 12/11/2011 8:39:34 AM PST by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: FlJoePa

sorry about the multiple posts


37 posted on 12/11/2011 8:43:32 AM PST by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: FlJoePa

I’ve read every article I can get my hands on.
I’ve read the 23 page Grand Jury presentment.

I’ve read JoePa’s version of the events.

JoePa, by his own words, has revealed he was unwilling to simply pick up the phone and call the police.

As for this article?
MY BS detector is going haywire.
So the guy’s story is that McQueary described sex sounds. But he asks him 3 times if he saw anything sexual?
McQueary sees that a boy is in the shower alone with an adult male, who grabs the boy by the waist and pulls him back in.
And based on this, the guy advises McQueary not to call the police.

Unfreakingbelievable.


38 posted on 12/11/2011 8:45:19 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

It does not matter if he called police since Joepa was not a witness to the event. This would have been “hearsay”. The ultimate responsibility would have McQueary to go to the police - not Paterno.


39 posted on 12/11/2011 8:51:10 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

this hearsay argument has been discussed endlessly on these Penn State threads.
The rules of hearsay are rules of evidence for the courts - not for reporting child abuse in the first place.

The police, the lawyers, and the judges are the ones that make determinations about rules of evidence.

Ordinary citizens who learn of child rape are morally obligated to seek help for that child.

An eyewitness to child rape described what he SAW to JoePa - on JoePa’s own turf.

It isn’t that JoePa could possibly have felt powerless.
We’ve already learned what he can do when he doesn’t like an administrator...when he wanted that woman fired, he threatened Spanier he would stop fundraising if she wasn’t dismissed.

If only he had gotten that upset and angry over child rape.


40 posted on 12/11/2011 8:56:34 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Perdogg

this hearsay argument has been discussed endlessly on these Penn State threads.
The rules of hearsay are rules of evidence for the courts - not for reporting child abuse in the first place.

The police, the lawyers, and the judges are the ones that make determinations about rules of evidence.

Ordinary citizens who learn of child rape are morally obligated to seek help for that child.

An eyewitness to child rape described what he SAW to JoePa - on JoePa’s own turf.

It isn’t that JoePa could possibly have felt powerless.
We’ve already learned what he can do when he doesn’t like an administrator...when he wanted that woman fired, he threatened Spanier he would stop fundraising if she wasn’t dismissed.

If only he had gotten that upset and angry over child rape.


41 posted on 12/11/2011 8:58:51 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

“I’ve read JoePa’s version of the events.”

I’d like to see a link to those quotes. There is ONE quote from Joe out there - that “in hindsight, I wish I had done more” (in hindsight, we ALL wish we had done more).

Thats all - there are no quotes from Joe in the GJ Presentment. He has held no press conferences. He has conducted no interviews.

Where prey tell, have you read his version of the events? Or maybe, you just THOUGHT you read his version of the events. Or maybe...just maybe, your mind was made up before hearing Joe’s version of the events. Because he hasn’t GIVEN IT TO ANYONE YET. PERIOD.

BTW, here’s the AG’s office’s take on Joe’s firing:

“We have a cooperating witness [Paterno], an individual who testified, provided truthful testimony,” Hagen-Frederiksen told ABCNews.com, “but two others who were found by a grand jury to commit perjury whose legal expenses are being paid for university. One is on administrative leave. Very interesting development.”

“It’s certainly curious and [has] not been explained yet,” he said. “Speaking as a prosecuting agency, we have a cooperating witness who has not been charged, while two individuals accused of committing crimes continue to be affiliated.”


42 posted on 12/11/2011 9:06:54 AM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: Scotswife

The Grand Jury report stated the Paterno met the legal obligation under the Pennsylvania State Code, in fact, the law did not require Paterno to do more what he did.

You say that “Ordinary citizens who learn of child rape are morally obligated to seek help for that child.” I agree with this statement. However, what is the moral metric that you have now invented to judge whether someone has acted morally and should we apply to everyone now for every crime?

What if Joe called the police and the dispatch at the police taken down the information. Has the moral metric been met, or does Joe have to commandeered a squad car and personally arrest Sandusky? This is why we have laws in the country.

Apparently Paterno informed Curely. This was also in the Grand Jury report.


43 posted on 12/11/2011 9:10:08 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Scotswife
"An eyewitness to child rape described what he SAW to JoePa - on JoePa’s own turf."

If you've read every article on this case, your reading comprehension stinks.

This is a flat out bold faced lie. MM did NOT tell Joe Paterno that he witnessed a rape. Even MM admits that.

This is straight from the GJ Presentment that you claimed you friggin' read. What, did you skim it?

44 posted on 12/11/2011 9:14:02 AM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa

The mob has spoken, move on.


45 posted on 12/11/2011 9:52:17 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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To: servantboy777
Sandunsky should spend the rest of his life in a 6x9 cell for what he’z done to these kids.

Preferably with a large massive convict who knows someone who was the victim of something similar.

46 posted on 12/11/2011 10:04:33 AM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Mike Darancette

I’m tired of these people misrepresenting opinion as fact when it comes to Joe. Of all the people who at least deserve to be heard before such judgement, he should be at the top of the list.

espn and the media have given critics unceasing free shots at the JoePinata all in the name of profit. Just like he delivered the television ratings with this team all those years, his name makes them money.

How do they thank him? By dragging it through the mud convincing the casual observer that he covered up this whole scandal.

The truth couldn’t be further from that. If he was involved in a coverup, why did he turn the matter over to the University administration?

He’s the ONLY ONE in this whole mess that DID do what he was supposed to do for crying out loud. When will these morons see this?


47 posted on 12/11/2011 10:17:15 AM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa

There will never be another like Joe. The sucking sound you hear is the rush to fully discredit the man while he is still alive. Measured deliberation seems to be missing.


48 posted on 12/11/2011 10:27:57 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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To: FlJoePa

There will never be another like Joe. The sucking sound you hear is the rush to fully discredit the man while he is still alive. Measured deliberation seems to be missing.


49 posted on 12/11/2011 10:28:51 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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To: FlJoePa

There will never be another like Joe. The sucking sound you hear is the rush to fully discredit the man while he is still alive. Measured deliberation seems to be missing.


50 posted on 12/11/2011 10:29:02 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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