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Ron Paul: Legalizing Marijuana Is a State's Constitutional Right
www.indecisionforever.com ^ | May 19, 2009 | Dennis DiClaudio

Posted on 12/14/2011 3:36:46 AM PST by Yosemitest

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To: JustSayNoToNannies
where's your evidence for your contention?

It's obvious from his statement, but let me spell it out for you anyway.....

He says he smoked pot 30 years ago and he believes (totally without scriptural support)that it's unChristian to lock people up for breaking the law. He's an electrical engineer so he's not stupid so his wrinkled theology must be due to the long term effects of cannabis.

161 posted on 12/15/2011 11:44:13 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: Antoninus
So do you support national marijuana prohibition by fedgov, which depends on the New Deal view of the Commerce Clause; or should that be left to the states to decide under authority of the Tenth Amendment?
162 posted on 12/15/2011 1:14:00 PM PST by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: tacticalogic

What people often fail to realize about Justice Scalia (in contrast to Justice Thomas) Is that while J.Scalia is a Conservative, and a pretty darn good one at that, he is at the end of the day, a Law and Order conservative, and his sensibilities in a contest between liberty and the police state will generally skew to the police state.

Justice Thomas otoh, generally sides with Liberty.


163 posted on 12/15/2011 1:23:14 PM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "St.Sarah, the1Tru Conservative that REFUSES to unite us and Save America")
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To: hobbes1
My take is that Scalia will defer to stare decisis, where Thomas will disregard and not feel bound by past decisions of revisionist courts.

He will look first to original intent, and upon finding the answer to the question at hand there will accept and apply it, regardless of whether it's going to be politically convenient or popular.

164 posted on 12/15/2011 1:56:39 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic; Wolfie

The federal government has become an illegitimate organization. It has no authority for most of it’s actions and I consider it to be a greater threat than the Islamist terrorists.


165 posted on 12/15/2011 4:40:30 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Its not what enters ones mouth that defiles them its what comes out, so mans idea of physical rightiousness through the way one acts, eats, etc means nothing, physical choices, now judging others for things that are not found in the ten commandments..sin.., do not judge that you will not be judged..the ten commandments does not say though shall not smoke a plant..they are the laws of God for us..
Man is wrapped up in self rightiousness so much we are blind to “our” total ignorance..

I see the war on Marijuana as another example of the crucifixion of Christ body..

Certainly drugs can be devastating and our justice system for non violent offenders should be rehab, and those receiving it should work to pay for it, and throw in some skill training.But marijuana does not deserve to be in that group.

On the other hand a more laid back world that was not based on storing funds food etc..may relate closer to Christ message of, the birds of the field do not sow or reap for food why do you oh men of little faith...

Jesus did not bring new laws, he fulfilled the old ones..the ones that matter to God...
God and man do not have the same vision, so forgiveness, tolerance of things not sins(ten commandments) as choices and the desire to see God in everyone regardless of opinion is the walk Christ asked us to walk..you cannot hate your brother and love God, why? because your brothers life is God’s...

Sure this is unconventional concepts of the scriptures, but if the world today shows any representation at all of Christ message, we would not be where we are..

So if some feel great about imprisoning people(God lives in there) for a plant(part of God’s body), in the name of fake rightiousness... I would not want that played back at the end of my life before God’s feet...just sayin...

Hey believe as you wish...no harm intended..just think its wrong..

And yea I smoked 30 years ago, had friends die of overdoses, friends imprisoned for almost nothing..as far as brain damage well ok if you say so..but after 25 years of engineering with some of the highest tech endeavors in the world..I don’t see it..perhaps you do even though you do not know me..believe as you will..peace in our risen Lord..


166 posted on 12/15/2011 4:41:17 PM PST by aces
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To: Ken H
So do you support national marijuana prohibition by fedgov, which depends on the New Deal view of the Commerce Clause; or should that be left to the states to decide under authority of the Tenth Amendment?

If the drug trade isn't interstate commerce, nothing is. Plus, it involves foreign entities smuggling contraband across our national borders. It is a federal issue.
167 posted on 12/15/2011 7:23:05 PM PST by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: freedomfiter2

Read the thread. It has become an illegitimate organization with the support of the majority of Americans.
Everybody supports some un-Constitutional action simply because they agree with it. Then they sit their scratching their heads wondering how the Feds got the power to do the un-Constitutional things they don’t agree with. I guarantee you that when the Supreme Court rubber stamps Obamacare based on un-Constitutional precedents these people support (like Gonzales v. Raich), they won’t be able to connect the dots. They’ll just piss and moan that the Court got it wrong. People are just butthead stupid that way.


168 posted on 12/16/2011 4:01:01 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Antoninus

And the health insurance industry is interstate commerce as well. Which is why Obamacare is here to stay.


169 posted on 12/16/2011 4:03:07 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Antoninus
Bend over for Obamacare. You asked for it...

Both Silberman and Sutton cited Scalia's opinion in 2005 upholding strict federal regulation of marijuana in the case of Angel Raich, a Californian who used home-grown marijuana to relieve her pain. "If Congress could regulate Angel Raich when she grew marijuana on her property for self-consumption," Sutton wrote, "it is difficult to say Congress may not regulate the 50 million Americans who self-finance their medical care."

http://mobile.latimes.com/p.p?a=rp&m=b&postId=1165037

170 posted on 12/16/2011 9:25:30 AM PST by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Antoninus
If the drug trade isn't interstate commerce, nothing is.

Some is and some isn't; presumably in the several states where marijuana is the #1 cash crop, a significant portion of that marijuana is sold in the same state. Do the feds have authority under the commerce clause to prohibit ALL marijuana growing and possession because SOME marijuana crosses state lines?

Plus, it involves foreign entities smuggling contraband across our national borders.

Some is and some isn't; I don't think coca or opium poppies grow well here, but a lot of marijuana and synthetic drugs are domestic product. Do the feds have authority to prohibit ALL making and possession of those drugs because SOME crosses the national border?

171 posted on 12/16/2011 9:43:08 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies
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To: Ken H
Bend over for Obamacare. You asked for it...

I see. So thinking that the federal government has the responsibility to protect citizens from illegal trade and smuggling of hazardous substances is directly relevant to the federal government imposing a health insurance mandate on citizens?

Sorry, but that simply beggars all logic. If you fall for that argument, you'll fall for anything.
172 posted on 12/16/2011 9:43:55 AM PST by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: Antoninus
So you're just going to ignore the fact that two appeals court justices, both friends of Scalia, cited his opinion in the Raich case to uphold Obamacare?

Like I said, bend over for Obamacare, pal. You asked for it.

173 posted on 12/16/2011 9:56:06 AM PST by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Antoninus
the federal government has the responsibility to protect citizens from illegal trade and smuggling of hazardous substances

The federal government is granted no such authority by the Constitution. The federal government IS granted authority to regulate interstate and cross-border commerce - whether in "hazardous substances" or health care. So the question to you remains: Do the feds have authority to regulate ALL commerce in a given good or service because SOME of that commerce crosses state and/or national borders?

174 posted on 12/16/2011 1:00:17 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies
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