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Ron Paul: Legalizing Marijuana Is a State's Constitutional Right
www.indecisionforever.com ^ | May 19, 2009 | Dennis DiClaudio

Posted on 12/14/2011 3:36:46 AM PST by Yosemitest

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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Was it liberals who "surrendered" in the War On Alcohol aka Prohibition?
 
Lame. But pro-dopes always drag the prohibition argument into the mix.
 
Here. Let me help you out. You need to mention that unless we surrender in the WOD, Nazi SWAT teams will no-knock my house and shoot my dog.
 
~snort~
 
Look. All you really need to know about the subject of legalizing dope is who is FOR it.
 
 
class=rg_hi
 
So. Why not just admit these two fine gentlemen are correct and the rest of the world is stupid?

101 posted on 12/14/2011 10:25:52 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Was it liberals who "surrendered" in the War On Alcohol aka Prohibition?

Lame. But pro-dopes always drag the prohibition argument into the mix.

And big-government Drug Warriors always evade the obvious point: laws against the lethal, addictive drug alcohol did more harm than good, so why should we think the opposite is or could be true about other drugs?

102 posted on 12/14/2011 10:28:54 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies
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To: Yosemitest
The Commerce Clause as used today is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

If you believe that, then how do you justify supporting national marijuana prohibition, which is based on the UNCONSTITUTIONAL New Deal view of the Commerce Clause?

103 posted on 12/14/2011 10:31:56 AM PST by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Ken H; tacticalogic; Hemingway's Ghost

They don’t believe in the Constitution, which was the whole point of my first post. They say they do, but they don’t. They only believe in it when it suits them and supports their position.


104 posted on 12/14/2011 10:41:31 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Are you listening to yourself? You have moved past the “Legalize dope” mantra of liberals everywhere...

Into the “Let the Government subsidize it and tax it and profit from it” crapola that libertarians are famous for.

After all, Big gubmint is subsidizing, taxing and profiting off of alcohol, and you want the same for marijuana?

Typical liberal. Wants MORE government - not less.


105 posted on 12/14/2011 10:51:50 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Are you listening to yourself? You have moved past the “Legalize dope” mantra of liberals everywhere...

No, the "legalize all non-rights-violating acts" principle of freedom-lovers everywhere.

Into the “Let the Government subsidize it and tax it and profit from it” crapola that libertarians are famous for.

After all, Big gubmint is subsidizing, taxing and profiting off of alcohol,

How is government subsidizing alcohol?

and you want the same for marijuana?

Typical liberal. Wants MORE government - not less.

By that argument, the conservative position is to criminalize everything the government taxes. Pretty dumb - even for a Drug Warrior.

106 posted on 12/14/2011 11:23:01 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies
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To: Yosemitest
Ron Paul: Legalizing Marijuana Is a State's Constitutional Right

Yeah. So what?

107 posted on 12/14/2011 11:45:11 AM PST by Lee N. Field ("Do not feed the Harpies")
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To: Lee N. Field; Yosemitest
Some "conservatives" believe in limits on federal authority only when it suits them.
108 posted on 12/14/2011 11:53:16 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies
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To: Yosemitest

But he’s right about that. The federal government has no legitimate authority in this area.

It might not be a good idea, but under the Constitution, a state could do it.


109 posted on 12/14/2011 11:53:54 AM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Yosemitest
The Commerce Clause gives the Federal Government the limited power, “To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes;”

Now, the Progressives have contorted the meaning of this power to support everything from National Healthcare (Obamacare), to regulation of monopolies, price-fixing, wage regulation, and many other unconstitutional federal activities.

Other unconstitutional federal activities such as their War On Drugs.

110 posted on 12/14/2011 11:57:16 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

If drugs were legal, their prices would plummet and so would the crime done to buy them.


Ever see a chronic doper work for a living? If you have, contact Ripley’s Believe It Or Not.


111 posted on 12/14/2011 12:24:45 PM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Yosemitest
The majority of LEGAL voters don't trust people to make that decision. They don't want to have to clean up and pay for the damages these users and sellers of ILLEGAL drugs cause. They don't want the innocent harmed by the recklessness of these evil people who want these ILLEGAL substances legalized. Almost every user of marijuana and illegal drug I knew 35 years ago in high school has passed away due to cancer, brain tumors, or driving while under the influence of drug and crashed. Some killed other innocent people with that vehicle crash.

Only an idiot would support legalization of these deadly substances.

My God; you are hysterical.

112 posted on 12/14/2011 12:26:00 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: DH
If drugs were legal, their prices would plummet and so would the crime done to buy them.

Ever see a chronic doper work for a living?

"Plummet" does not mean "go to zero." With lower prices, dopers who commit crimes for drug money would need to commit fewer - QED.

113 posted on 12/14/2011 12:34:56 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies
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To: Responsibility2nd
Typical liberal. Wants MORE government - not less.

Says the confirmed Rambo-level drug warrior. You're either joking or incredibly dumb.

114 posted on 12/14/2011 12:35:28 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Responsibility2nd
All you really need to know about the subject of legalizing dope is who is FOR it.

Anytime somebody tells you "All you need to know is..", you can bet there's more to it than what they're telling you and they don't want you to know what it is.

115 posted on 12/14/2011 12:35:28 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: DH
Ever see a chronic doper work for a living? If you have, contact Ripley’s Believe It Or Not.

Give me the number. I know people who partake from all walks of life, all of them employed and contributing members of society. In fact, I know several who could probably buy and sell you and just about everyone who posts here several times over.

Generalizations aren't your friends, friend.

116 posted on 12/14/2011 12:39:15 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Freedom, abiding by the Constitution seems to scare a lot of folks. The loss of freedoms due to the war on drugs is mind boggling. How many have died because of no knock laws? How much lost wealth do to property seizure? How many pot heads crowding jails for a couple of joints. I agree end the war on drugs, at the very least for pot. Gov greatly expended it power to fight the war on drugs, just like it greatly expanded it power to fight the war on terror. And lot’s of folks that claim to support the Constitution are just fine with that, go figure.


117 posted on 12/14/2011 12:47:57 PM PST by jpsb
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To: Ken H

Curious, I am just following the argument along, but are you saying that the fed gov can not ban MJ? Would not a simple can making it a federal crime to possess MJ do it? thanks.


118 posted on 12/14/2011 1:14:47 PM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb

a simple can = a simple law


119 posted on 12/14/2011 1:15:26 PM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb; Ken H
So why do you support national marijuana prohibition, which is based on the UNCONSTITUTIONAL use of the Commerce Clause?

Curious, I am just following the argument along, but are you saying that the fed gov can not ban MJ? Would not a simple law making it a federal crime to possess MJ do it?

I think Ken's saying the fed gov has no constitutional authority to pass such a law. And he's right.

120 posted on 12/14/2011 1:18:44 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies
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