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GOP will take off the gloves if Ron Paul wins Iowa
Washington Examiner ^ | 121811 | Tim Carney

Posted on 12/18/2011 9:57:35 PM PST by Fred

The Republican presidential primary has become a bit feisty, but it will get downright ugly if Ron Paul wins the Iowa caucuses.

The principled, antiwar, Constitution-obeying, Fed-hating, libertarian Republican congressman from Texas stands firmly outside the bounds of permissible dissent as drawn by either the Republican establishment or the mainstream media. (Disclosure: Paul wrote the foreword to my 2009 book.)

But in a crowded GOP field currently led by a collapsing Newt Gingrich and an uninspiring Mitt Romney, Paul could carry the Iowa caucuses, where supporter enthusiasm has so much value.

If Paul wins, how will the media and the GOP react? Much of the media will ignore him (expect headlines like "Romney Beats out Gingrich for Second Place in Iowa"). Some in the Republican establishment and the conservative media will panic. Others will calmly move to crush him, with the full cooperation of the liberal mainstream media.

For a historical analogy, study the aftermath of Pat Buchanan's 1996

(Excerpt) Read more at campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 2012gopprimary; 911truther; buchanan; gingrich; ia2012; larouchies; libertarianism; romney; ronpaul; ronpaul2012; spammonkeys
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1 posted on 12/18/2011 9:57:39 PM PST by Fred
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To: Fred

Ron Paul and his legions of spam monkeys ain’t gonna win shinola.


2 posted on 12/18/2011 9:58:35 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Ron Paul and his legions of spam monkeys ain’t gonna win shinola.”

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Based on his recent comments, Paul is trying to win a book contract to write the next “Protocols of the Elders of Zion.”


3 posted on 12/18/2011 10:03:45 PM PST by peyton randolph (B. Hussein Obama solved Bush's "problem" of a AAA credit rating)
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To: Fred

(Disclosure: Paul wrote the foreword to my 2009 book.)

Thanks. We will all move along now.


4 posted on 12/18/2011 10:03:57 PM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Iowa has a pretty crappy track record of predicting nominees. A Paul win ther won’t mean much.


5 posted on 12/18/2011 10:05:36 PM PST by umgud
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To: Fred; Jim Robinson
The principled, antiwar, Constitution-obeying, Fed-hating, libertarian Republican congressman from Texas

He forgot racist, anti-Semitic, Jew-hating, isolationist and 9-11 Truther.

6 posted on 12/18/2011 10:08:56 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Fred

The idea of the RNC getting serious and playing hardball is about as comical as the notion of Ron Paul actually winning Iowa...


7 posted on 12/18/2011 10:10:04 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Fred

The GOP has yet to take off its gloves against Ron Paul because they WANT him to beat Gingrich there.


8 posted on 12/18/2011 10:11:19 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade, There are only two sides. Pick one.)
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To: umgud

Newt has to win 2 of the first 3, plus Florida. Otherwise this could get complicated.


9 posted on 12/18/2011 10:11:47 PM PST by floridarunner01
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To: Fred

We know that Ron Paul is not going to get the nomination. But, will his supporters rebel and stay home on election day or will they support the eventual nominee?


10 posted on 12/18/2011 10:12:29 PM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: Fred

Well if the Republican Party takes “its gloves off to crush” the best & only chance they have of wining the Presidential election then the conservative base will take their gloves off & abandon the party in droves & will work to elect & even more conservative candidate. I do not think they will like that too much so they should reconsider.


11 posted on 12/18/2011 10:12:34 PM PST by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: sageb1
The GOP has yet to take off its gloves against Ron Paul because they WANT him to beat Gingrich there.

You are keeeeerect.

Even better yet the GOP is hoping that Newt and Ron Paul will split a chunk of the conservative vote and let Romney sneak in an unexpected Iowa win.

12 posted on 12/18/2011 10:15:17 PM PST by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: Republic_of_Secession.

If you are insinuating that Paul is a conservative and the base supports him, you are as delusional as he is.
Paul is not a conservative.


13 posted on 12/18/2011 10:16:00 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Old Sarge

bingo


14 posted on 12/18/2011 10:16:35 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: svcw

Jumping in the middle of your discussion here, but to the libs, living in LA LA land, they are thinking of RP as a conservative splitting the conservative vote. I know, I know, they are delusional.


15 posted on 12/18/2011 10:18:21 PM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: no dems

I know a Ron Paul supporter and he’ll sit out the election if Paul isn’t the nominee.

Scary.


16 posted on 12/18/2011 10:19:03 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Republic_of_Secession.

“the conservative base will take their gloves off & abandon the party in droves & will work to elect & even more conservative candidate.”

This is pretty much a foregone conclusion regardless.

I am not sure what Paul’s political realm is. he is certainly an odd ball.

The GOP has painted itself into a corner now though. They can elect Romney or Newt. November will not be pretty. The more conservative tea party people I speak with the more I get the feeling that the GOP is pretty much screwed if it thinks it can count on the base.

A third party revolution is brewing and the GOP, being the stupid party, is about to get blind sided.


17 posted on 12/18/2011 10:20:57 PM PST by CSI007
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To: no dems

Some will, some won’t.

A lot of his supporters are libertarians and/or youth. The libertarians will fall in line with the GOP nominee UNLESS there is a strong independent run by someone (ie: Gary Johnson). The youth voters are more problematic. Historically they only turn out to vote if they are passionate about a candidate...that’s true with both liberal and conservative youth.


18 posted on 12/18/2011 10:23:10 PM PST by floridarunner01
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To: Fred

LOL They don’t have gloves unless it’s the white kind to test the dirt on your furniture.


19 posted on 12/18/2011 10:26:39 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Old Sarge

Evil voodoo worshiping weirdos from Texas keep voting for this guy!


20 posted on 12/18/2011 10:30:58 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: no dems

We don’t need to worry about that. He gets his greatest strength from 3 camps. Young voters (who don’t show up reliably), disaffected Democrats who feel betrayed, and hard line libertarians/conservatives who like his limited government approach and don’t see that anywhere else. None of those voters are headed back to Obama. I’d be 100% behind Paul if he wasn’t caught up in the moral equivalence crap defending Iran, etc.

I’m hoping Bachmann or Perry come back but we are headed toward an even messier primary season. I’m betting a lot of people are wishing Palin had ran after all. I can’t get a good feel at all which one of these people will win the nomination. This is most certainly a different kind of election.


21 posted on 12/18/2011 10:32:02 PM PST by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: umgud; Jim Robinson

“Iowa has a pretty crappy track record of predicting nominees. A Paul win ther won’t mean much.”

Paul would be a better choice than Mittens. Even though Paul’s crazy, I at least agree with him on some things...

Newt is who we need though.


22 posted on 12/18/2011 10:32:47 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: Fred

I remember well how the smear machine kicked in after Buchanan won the 1996 New Hampshire primary. I was reminded of it often when Sarah Palin was being savaged in 2008.


23 posted on 12/18/2011 10:36:09 PM PST by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: Maelstorm

If Newt continues to fall in the polls and looks like he’s “going south”, I’m gonna start rooting for Rick Santorum.


24 posted on 12/18/2011 10:36:34 PM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: Fred

Ron Paul is a republican.

Wait! So is Tom McClintock.

McClintock was thrown away so the GOP, globalist occupied party, could run a globalist, Schwarzenegger, for California governor.

Will they conduct the same war against the opposition to globalism in this election? You betcha!


25 posted on 12/18/2011 10:51:58 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Old Sarge

“He forgot racist, anti-Semitic, Jew-hating, isolationist and 9-11 Truther.”

Not to mention “Asshole.”


26 posted on 12/18/2011 10:52:03 PM PST by moonhawk (Romney tucks his tail and licks the hand that beats him. Newt rips it off at the shoulder.)
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To: Fred

GOP. Globalist Occupied Party.


27 posted on 12/18/2011 10:53:24 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Maelstorm

It seems to me that so far it’s going just the way the RINOs, or should I at this point in history just say the Republican establishment, want it to go, which is to leave Romney standing when the smoke clears, just as they did with McCain. If they manage this result, they’re going to get the same result in the general election tht they got with McCain, only worse. They must know this, as another poster said, I’m starting to wonder if they care, what in the world is going on.


28 posted on 12/18/2011 10:59:18 PM PST by mrsmel
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To: Fred

Meh, even if he wins Iowa he’s going nowhere so I doubt they’ll get in too much of a twist.


29 posted on 12/18/2011 11:01:18 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: hedgetrimmer

Well said. Globalist, statist, big government. We have two different flavors of the same thing.


30 posted on 12/18/2011 11:03:15 PM PST by mrsmel
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To: Fred
(Disclosure: Paul wrote the foreword to my 2009 book

Well...that's pretty much all we need as far as gauging the credibility of this article.

31 posted on 12/18/2011 11:06:53 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Fred

PAul should not be allowed in the republican primaries, since HE DID NOT SUPPORT THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IN 2008.


32 posted on 12/18/2011 11:12:55 PM PST by Yehuda (Expel communists and jihadis... from the planet.)
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To: floridarunner01

“Historically they only turn out to vote if they are passionate about a candidate...that’s true with both liberal and conservative youth.”

Then we need to convince the conservative youth that sitting home in 2012 will lead them to starvation, a land ruled by sharia / communists, or the gulags.


33 posted on 12/18/2011 11:15:52 PM PST by Yehuda (Expel communists and jihadis... from the planet.)
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To: Yehuda

Do you think Schwarzenegger was really a republican?


34 posted on 12/18/2011 11:17:42 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Fred

I just wish the GOP would take the gloves off with obama.


35 posted on 12/18/2011 11:37:00 PM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: hedgetrimmer
GOP. Globalist Occupied Party.

Bingo!

And what the hell is so "conservative" about that?

36 posted on 12/19/2011 12:29:45 AM PST by Pomosapien (Buck Religion)
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To: Republican Wildcat
Well...that's pretty much all we need as far as gauging the credibility of this article.

Then you probably wouldn't like his book much, either.

37 posted on 12/19/2011 12:37:16 AM PST by logician2u
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To: unkus
>> I know a Ron Paul supporter and he’ll sit out the election if Paul isn’t the nominee. <<

I've talked with over a dozen Ron Paul supporters since 2007 and I have yet to meet one who WON'T sit out the election if Ron Paul isn't the nominee. The cult of "Dr. Paul" is nuttier than he is.

38 posted on 12/19/2011 2:08:44 AM PST by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: hedgetrimmer

I’m still quite pissed by that to this day. Pissed me off to no end what they did to McClintock.

=8-(


39 posted on 12/19/2011 2:11:58 AM PST by =8 mrrabbit 8=
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To: Yehuda

There was GOP candidate in 2008?


40 posted on 12/19/2011 3:17:50 AM PST by David Isaac
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To: bigbob
The idea of the RNC getting serious and playing hardball is about as comical as the notion of Ron Paul actually winning Iowa...

When it comes to anti-RINOs, the RNC is the meanest SOB on the block...so long as those anti-RINOs are Republicans. Against Obama, McCain and the RNC were following Lady Marquess of Queensberry rules; against JD Hayworth, they couldn't do enough kicking and gouging.

41 posted on 12/19/2011 3:46:53 AM PST by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: Dahoser

They don’t need gloves they need ba!!s...


42 posted on 12/19/2011 3:49:02 AM PST by goat granny
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To: no dems
We know that Ron Paul is not going to get the nomination. But, will his supporters rebel and stay home on election day or will they support the eventual nominee?

They will do what they always do, vote for the most anti-American that they think will legalize drugs. Like last time Obama.
43 posted on 12/19/2011 3:55:17 AM PST by John D
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To: Republic_of_Secession.

Ron Paul is to the GOP what Dennis Kucinich is to the Dems.


44 posted on 12/19/2011 4:03:28 AM PST by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: bigbob

Spot on. The Republican party gets my vote simply because it is more fiscally conservative than the others. But, I hang my head in shame at their woos attitude of defending themselves. They are so darn PC and anti attack that they always allow the Dumb-o-crats to define them.


45 posted on 12/19/2011 4:14:30 AM PST by BTCM (Death and destruction is the only treaty Muslims comprehend.)
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To: unkus

I also know 3 of them and they all voted for bimbo the last time.


46 posted on 12/19/2011 4:19:25 AM PST by I_be_tc
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To: floridarunner01
This was an OPINION, not a statement of purpose.

I think "complicated" is baked into the pie this time around.

47 posted on 12/19/2011 4:30:29 AM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Fred

Face it—the elitist GOP will take off their gloves if anybody but romney wins that caucus.


48 posted on 12/19/2011 5:30:55 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: svcw
"Paul is not a conservative."

Some folks wouldn't recognize a conservative if they tripped over one.

49 posted on 12/19/2011 6:10:38 AM PST by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: CSI007

“I am not sure what Paul’s political realm is. he is certainly an odd ball.”

Look up Lyndon LaRouche in old archives.

His young supporters remind me of the LaRouche acolytes of yore in their firm belief in their hero and their dismissal of any rational discussion of his excesses.


50 posted on 12/19/2011 6:12:50 AM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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