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Errant Bullet Travels 1.5 Miles, Kills Amish Girl
WLWT ^ | 12:01 pm EST December 20, 2011 | WLWT

Posted on 12/20/2011 9:38:28 AM PST by TSgt

FREDERICKSBURG, Ohio -- An Ohio sheriff says a man cleaning his muzzle-loading rifle accidentally shot and killed a 15-year-old Amish girl driving a horse-drawn buggy more than a mile away.

Holmes County Sheriff Timothy Zimmerly said Tuesday that the accident occurred Thursday night when a man fired his loaded rifle to clean it. He says the victim, Rachel Yoder of Fredericksburg, was nearly 1.5 miles away when she was shot in the head.

No charges have been filed.

Yoder was shot while traveling to her home in adjacent Wayne County, between Columbus and Akron. She was riding alone after attending a Christmas party for employees, most under 18 years old, who work at an Amish produce farm.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: amish; banglist; bullet; crime; ohio; rachelyoder; shooting; yoder
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To: mamelukesabre

Time line!


21 posted on 12/20/2011 9:52:05 AM PST by tallyhoe
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To: mamelukesabre

And how, pray tell, can you make that determination?


22 posted on 12/20/2011 9:52:10 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Farmer Dean

My .50 cal round ball rifle won’t approach 1,500 feet, let along 5,280.


23 posted on 12/20/2011 9:53:10 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Gimme that old time fossil fuel.)
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To: mamelukesabre
There’s no way to know the shot came from THAT firearm.

Yes there is. They have the bullet, they have the gun. Ballistics fingerprinting would be quite simple.

24 posted on 12/20/2011 9:53:18 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: mylife

Ping, because you might be interested.

Tragic, terrible story. Prayers for the family.


25 posted on 12/20/2011 9:53:37 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I clear my gun by firing it into a target. Or a deer. Or, if none are available, I will dump water down the barrel of my muzzleloader with a turkey baster until it comes out the nipple in a black slushy ooze.......firing it over the trees is reprehensible and preventable. He should be charged with manslaughter.


26 posted on 12/20/2011 9:53:52 AM PST by Michigan Bowhunter
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To: VA_Gentleman

How else does one unload a muzzle loader?

Still, not to be certain of your backstop is negligent.


27 posted on 12/20/2011 9:54:39 AM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: Pearls Before Swine
I never thought of muzzle loaders as being able to fire that far.

Same here, perhaps it was a sabot load in a magnum in-line.

To fire a rifle into the air,,,,, stupid and irresponsible.

28 posted on 12/20/2011 9:55:36 AM PST by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: Retired COB

Well let me see if you have your rifle pointing up in the air at the right angle it is possible to travel a ways. Shooting straight at a target at a range would be different.


29 posted on 12/20/2011 9:55:37 AM PST by tallyhoe
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

no it wouldn’t. there’s no rifling marks on a black powder slug


30 posted on 12/20/2011 9:56:17 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: TSgt
Prayers for Rachel Yoder, her family and friends.

This is an inexcusable violation of firearms safety rules and the shooter should pay a hefty price.

In a non life threatening situation, it is criminal to purposely discharge a firearm without knowing trajectory and backstop.

31 posted on 12/20/2011 9:56:24 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: bigbob

black powder firarms don’t leave rifling marks on the projectile.


32 posted on 12/20/2011 9:57:11 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
"Who in the Hell “cleans” a gun by firing it?"

People who use black powder "front stuffers" (muzzle loaders) used to have only one way to clear the weapon if loaded: firing it. That's probably what this clown was doing. These days, however, there are several manufacturers of pressurized CO2 systems that allow you to blow the powder and ball from the weapon without having to fire it.
33 posted on 12/20/2011 9:57:35 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: TSgt

Jeez, when it’s your time, it’s your time...just wow.


34 posted on 12/20/2011 9:57:35 AM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: null and void; mamelukesabre
There’s no way to know the shot came from THAT firearm.

Someone needs to watch an episode or two of CSI

35 posted on 12/20/2011 9:57:43 AM PST by verga (We get what we tolerate and increase that which we reward)
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To: null and void

want to think yours through again?


36 posted on 12/20/2011 9:58:02 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: verga

someone is ignorant of black powder


37 posted on 12/20/2011 9:58:59 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: TSgt
Sorry, but I'm not buying this. Do they honestly expect us to believe that a muzzle loader is capable of propelling a round at a killing velocity to a distance of over 1.5 miles? I don't think so. Maybe if this were a high-powered round like a .308 or .300 Magnum, but not a black powder rifle.

Call me skeptical, but I'm not convinced that a black powder rifle could do this.

38 posted on 12/20/2011 10:00:58 AM PST by Avalon Hussar
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I agree. I have a hard time believing that a black powder rifle can reach that far, even under perfect conditions.

With muzzle velocity in the neighborhood of, what... 1500 fps or so? At 200 yards it’s likely shed about half of it’s energy and it’s going down quick. Fired at a 45 degree angle, I doubt it would reach beyond 800 yards, and at any rate at that point it is merely falling with gravity with little if any momentum left. A falling bullet is orders of magnitude less lethal.

I suspect that there’s something not reported here, or misreported. In any case, I suppose, it’s a bizarre and wildly unlikely circumstance and very sad indeed for the girl.


39 posted on 12/20/2011 10:00:58 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I'd give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: mamelukesabre

Uh, they do if it’s a rifle, and the first line says “a muzzle-loading rifle”. A smooth bore you would be right, but muzzle loading rifles sure do leave rifling marks.


40 posted on 12/20/2011 10:02:20 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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