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1 posted on 12/20/2011 9:38:30 AM PST by TSgt
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I just read about tho in our local paper.It s very sad but I am relieved to hear it was an accident and not someone targeting a buggy like thy wondered at first.


2 posted on 12/20/2011 9:40:28 AM PST by chris_bdba
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Terrible.


3 posted on 12/20/2011 9:41:09 AM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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When I read about this this morning they hadn’t determined the source of the projectile.


4 posted on 12/20/2011 9:41:18 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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This is stupid on the part of the shooter. Firing a weapon without having a clue where that projectile is going is inexcusable to me.


5 posted on 12/20/2011 9:41:49 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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Sad, and stupid.

As an aside, I never thought of muzzle loaders as being able to fire that far.


7 posted on 12/20/2011 9:43:34 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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sorry, not buying it.

There’s no way to know the shot came from THAT firearm.


9 posted on 12/20/2011 9:45:14 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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Basic rule of firearms safety. Know where the damn round is going.


10 posted on 12/20/2011 9:46:16 AM PST by Busywhiskers ("Once you have wrestled, everything else in life is easy" -Dan Gable)
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This MORON ought to be barred from ever owning another firearm. He VIOLATED one of the cardinal rules by firing into the air with NO idea where the projectile would land. Geezz...Tragic!


11 posted on 12/20/2011 9:46:21 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Obozo deserves another term: IN LEAVENWORTH. 25 to life sounds about right!)
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Idiot should be charged with manslaughter.
12 posted on 12/20/2011 9:46:45 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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I own a couple of black powder rifles, and there is NO way that they have the capability of shooting a mile and a half (unless you're in an airplane and shooting straight down). I also have a couple of high powered magnum hunting rifles (a .264 Winchester and a .300 Weatherby) which are really dropping a lot (about 3 feet) out at 600 yards. A mile and a half equals about 2640 yards, so unless you're aiming up at a 45 degree angle and shooting from the edge of a tall cliff there's no way you can come close to shooting a projectile that far. Even if you granted that this was not an impossibility, the projectile would not have enough kinetic energy left to penetrate the skin at that distance.

If I was the local constabulary I'd be seriously looking into it.

As an aside, I've seen a lot of Amish people over the years, but have not ever seen a buggy being driven by one of their females....just sayin'.

19 posted on 12/20/2011 9:51:16 AM PST by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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Ping, because you might be interested.

Tragic, terrible story. Prayers for the family.


25 posted on 12/20/2011 9:53:37 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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Prayers for Rachel Yoder, her family and friends.

This is an inexcusable violation of firearms safety rules and the shooter should pay a hefty price.

In a non life threatening situation, it is criminal to purposely discharge a firearm without knowing trajectory and backstop.

31 posted on 12/20/2011 9:56:24 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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Jeez, when it’s your time, it’s your time...just wow.


34 posted on 12/20/2011 9:57:35 AM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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Sorry, but I'm not buying this. Do they honestly expect us to believe that a muzzle loader is capable of propelling a round at a killing velocity to a distance of over 1.5 miles? I don't think so. Maybe if this were a high-powered round like a .308 or .300 Magnum, but not a black powder rifle.

Call me skeptical, but I'm not convinced that a black powder rifle could do this.

38 posted on 12/20/2011 10:00:58 AM PST by Avalon Hussar
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I am so sad. I pray for her faamily.


41 posted on 12/20/2011 10:02:35 AM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine)
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There seem to be unanswered questions here.

Most obviously, you would clear a gun by firing it into a backstop, not firing it into the air. Sure, that would be unlikely to hit anything in the country, but you still shouldn’t take the chance.

Second, is it possible for a muzzle loader to shoot more than a mile? It seems unlikely, but I don’t know for sure.

Third, have they done ballistic checks? Does the bullet match the muzzle loader?

Finally, we only have this guy’s word for where he fired from. I should think that, if the ballistics match, they should check that out, too. Did he fire it from where he said he fired it? Might he have fired it from somewhere closer? Does the wound, and its angle, suggest a spent bullet?


43 posted on 12/20/2011 10:03:43 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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A muzzle loader going a mile and a half?

Hitting a girl in the head?

The odds are off the scale.


50 posted on 12/20/2011 10:09:39 AM PST by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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I'm sure he knew that all guns are always loaded.

That did not help however.

NRA Gun Safety Rules will keep you safer :

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

NRA T/C CRSO

54 posted on 12/20/2011 10:10:45 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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The Mythbusters did an episode on free falling bullets. IIRC, they concluded that a bullet shot straight up would not be lethal on a free fall trajectory, but, I believe they did conclude that a bullet returning to the earth in a normal trajectory could be lethal. The primary difference being a free fall bullet would be tumbling and have less velocity where as a bullet returning on trajectory would likely still be spinning and have greater velocity.

Still, in this case, I suspect we may hear more to this story. It seems too improbable to me for a black powder projectile, even a sabot, to carry this far. Suppose the wind would need factored in, but still....


56 posted on 12/20/2011 10:12:01 AM PST by IamConservative ("The ability to speak eloquently is not to be confused with having something to say." - MP Hart)
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I call BS. The round will drop a LOT over 1.5 mi, and will lose a lot of its speed. Further, a muzzle-loader does not have the muzzle velocity of a modern rifle. (1300-1800fps compared to 3400-4400 for most modern rifles)

As always, a news article about a firearm is woefully lacking in information.

60 posted on 12/20/2011 10:15:44 AM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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