Posted on 01/06/2012 8:16:09 AM PST by nuconvert
They also have a way of greatly influencing their people. In fact, are partly OF their people. When you’re Moslem, you can’t help liking blood. Especially of those who don’t agree with you.
I take such apologetics for “the people” with a grain of salt.
‘Many many Germans “really liked America” in the 1930’s, but that didn’t stop them from rallying around Herr Schickelgruber and the mad Nazis who turned Germany into a cultish nest of hate, murder and anti-Semitism, you know: just like Iran today.’
The differences there are, the Reich lasted all of 12 years, period. And, they have much more in common with “us” (and the rest of Europe) than Moslems do. I think more people were innocent there than in Iran - 30 years (plus) of Moslem hatred and specific indoctrination.
But they also believed that the Jooooos had taken over the country.
BTW, good points, and I agree.
As for Iranians, I knew a lady in our local Republican club who was native. When Sept. 11 happened, she was asking and hopeful that maybe “something would be done” about the extreme regime in Iran. After all, it fell under the “Moslem” banner and maybe they’d get some retribution.
Perhaps true (I’m no student), but ironically, Jews were heavy in Germany relative to the rest of Europe exactly because they were more lax about keeping Jews out over the centuries!
Before Hitler, Germany was probably one of the least anti-Semitic countries in Europe, the Austrians, like Hitler, however, were always bad news, and they were the ones who eventually brought the poison into Germany with them.
Too true here too.
Imams and mullahs cause Islamics to kill people.
I’m all for the Persian Zoroastrians, as long as they stay there.
Interesting. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised with a high-powered kingdom like Austria-Hungary (at least the spoils of it).
Germany, of course, was really only a recently created nation, out of many small duchies, which like little tribes, were often in turmoil amongst themselves. That may have contributed to the “openness” over so long a time, while other Europeans were long more solidified, powerful, and consolidated and could easily rule on “internal” issues like Jews amongst them, while tiny duchies involved in endless bickering couldn’t.
I think that trend went away when David took out Goliath. Unexpected results usuall bring about rule changes.(:-}
Yes Iran is America and freedoms enemy.
Anywhere and anyone that follows the death cult of islam is an enemy of America, civilization, freedom and liberty........
here we go. In the same vein as “we are not against Islam, just terrorism” Iran is not our enemy, the regime is....splitting hairs
When luminaries like Bernard Lewis speak up, it's a good idea to listen closely.
If you read between the lines, they are calling for killing the mullahs and the regime thugs like Ahmadinejad and the IRGC and Quds Brigade thugmeisters, without doing harm to the general population.
Persians are not inherently anti-Western; the enlightened despotism of the Pahlavi dynasty showed that. It would be a good idea not to involve them in some general holocaustic conflagration which would tend to gratify the "apres moi, le Deluge" megalomania of Ahmadinejad and his Brownshirts.
No, anti-semitism went back into the mists in Germany. It was already there when the Black Death showed up, and people began to blame the Plague on Jews who, they said, were poisoning wells. (They hadn't a clue about fleas and disease.)
The Black Death antisemitic frenzy led directly to laws prohibiting the Jews from owning real estate: that made them the urban bankers and ghetto-dwelling diamond merchants of early-modern history.
Nineteenth-century Germany was just as antisemitic as Germany had traditionally been, but the heat went up a notch with the arrival in the 1870's of Pan-Germanism, an intellectual movement that tended to increase antisemitic sentiment. Politics being a zero-sum game, if one wants to exalt the political position of Germans, then perforce that of Jews (bankers, merchants, etc.) must suffer.
Pan-Germanism and Socialism were the direct intellectual progenitors of National Socialism.
Some of my ancestors had a weakness for suspicion, but whenever I think back to Carter Administration policy toward the Shah, I often wonder if Prog/KGB assets in the Carter Administration didn't job Iran a) to put it in play for the Tudeh (Iranian Communist Party, subsequently wiped out by Khomeini) and b) weaken and even take out a major, even key, U.S. ally in the region.
The Pahlavis really were guarantors of the Middle Eastern peace, and our presence in what is now the Fifth Fleet Operating Area was a joke by comparison -- a couple of older destroyers nominally homeported in Bahrain. That was about it -- and before 1963 or so, a small British task group based on Aden.
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