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May: Why Iran is not America's enemy
Ventura COuntry Star ^ | January 5, 2012 | Clifford D. May

Posted on 01/06/2012 8:16:09 AM PST by nuconvert

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To: lurk

They also have a way of greatly influencing their people. In fact, are partly OF their people. When you’re Moslem, you can’t help liking blood. Especially of those who don’t agree with you.

I take such apologetics for “the people” with a grain of salt.


21 posted on 01/06/2012 11:47:14 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: mkjessup

‘Many many Germans “really liked America” in the 1930’s, but that didn’t stop them from rallying around Herr Schickelgruber and the mad Nazis who turned Germany into a cultish nest of hate, murder and anti-Semitism, you know: just like Iran today.’

The differences there are, the Reich lasted all of 12 years, period. And, they have much more in common with “us” (and the rest of Europe) than Moslems do. I think more people were innocent there than in Iran - 30 years (plus) of Moslem hatred and specific indoctrination.


22 posted on 01/06/2012 11:53:03 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
‘Many many Germans “really liked America” in the 1930’s

But they also believed that the Jooooos had taken over the country.

23 posted on 01/06/2012 11:54:25 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: mkjessup

BTW, good points, and I agree.

As for Iranians, I knew a lady in our local Republican club who was native. When Sept. 11 happened, she was asking and hopeful that maybe “something would be done” about the extreme regime in Iran. After all, it fell under the “Moslem” banner and maybe they’d get some retribution.


24 posted on 01/06/2012 11:56:28 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: dfwgator

Perhaps true (I’m no student), but ironically, Jews were heavy in Germany relative to the rest of Europe exactly because they were more lax about keeping Jews out over the centuries!


25 posted on 01/06/2012 11:58:15 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Before Hitler, Germany was probably one of the least anti-Semitic countries in Europe, the Austrians, like Hitler, however, were always bad news, and they were the ones who eventually brought the poison into Germany with them.


26 posted on 01/06/2012 11:59:52 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: lurk
"Unfortunately, the bad guys in charge are very much our enemy, and the enemy of their own people."

Too true here too.

27 posted on 01/06/2012 12:00:51 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: nuconvert
"Guns don't kill people; people kill people"

Imams and mullahs cause Islamics to kill people.

28 posted on 01/06/2012 12:03:30 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I’m all for the Persian Zoroastrians, as long as they stay there.


29 posted on 01/06/2012 12:06:36 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: dfwgator

Interesting. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised with a high-powered kingdom like Austria-Hungary (at least the spoils of it).

Germany, of course, was really only a recently created nation, out of many small duchies, which like little tribes, were often in turmoil amongst themselves. That may have contributed to the “openness” over so long a time, while other Europeans were long more solidified, powerful, and consolidated and could easily rule on “internal” issues like Jews amongst them, while tiny duchies involved in endless bickering couldn’t.


30 posted on 01/06/2012 12:09:08 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Jack of all Trades

I think that trend went away when David took out Goliath. Unexpected results usuall bring about rule changes.(:-}


31 posted on 01/06/2012 1:00:58 PM PST by itsahoot (Throw them all out! Especially the Frugal Socialists who call themselves Republicans.)
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To: nuconvert

Yes Iran is America and freedoms enemy.
Anywhere and anyone that follows the death cult of islam is an enemy of America, civilization, freedom and liberty........


32 posted on 01/06/2012 1:55:05 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: yldstrk
[Article] It is the regime that rules Iran, .... that constitutes the real problem. From that it follows that changing the regime — not destroying its hardware — is the higher goal.

here we go. In the same vein as “we are not against Islam, just terrorism” Iran is not our enemy, the regime is....splitting hairs

When luminaries like Bernard Lewis speak up, it's a good idea to listen closely.

If you read between the lines, they are calling for killing the mullahs and the regime thugs like Ahmadinejad and the IRGC and Quds Brigade thugmeisters, without doing harm to the general population.

Persians are not inherently anti-Western; the enlightened despotism of the Pahlavi dynasty showed that. It would be a good idea not to involve them in some general holocaustic conflagration which would tend to gratify the "apres moi, le Deluge" megalomania of Ahmadinejad and his Brownshirts.

33 posted on 01/06/2012 3:48:20 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: dfwgator
Before Hitler, Germany was probably one of the least anti-Semitic countries in Europe

No, anti-semitism went back into the mists in Germany. It was already there when the Black Death showed up, and people began to blame the Plague on Jews who, they said, were poisoning wells. (They hadn't a clue about fleas and disease.)

The Black Death antisemitic frenzy led directly to laws prohibiting the Jews from owning real estate: that made them the urban bankers and ghetto-dwelling diamond merchants of early-modern history.

Nineteenth-century Germany was just as antisemitic as Germany had traditionally been, but the heat went up a notch with the arrival in the 1870's of Pan-Germanism, an intellectual movement that tended to increase antisemitic sentiment. Politics being a zero-sum game, if one wants to exalt the political position of Germans, then perforce that of Jews (bankers, merchants, etc.) must suffer.

Pan-Germanism and Socialism were the direct intellectual progenitors of National Socialism.

34 posted on 01/06/2012 4:02:29 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: mkjessup
But the Iranians fell for the equivalent of "Islamic Hope and Change" in 1978, turned on the Shah, and we can now see the results.

Some of my ancestors had a weakness for suspicion, but whenever I think back to Carter Administration policy toward the Shah, I often wonder if Prog/KGB assets in the Carter Administration didn't job Iran a) to put it in play for the Tudeh (Iranian Communist Party, subsequently wiped out by Khomeini) and b) weaken and even take out a major, even key, U.S. ally in the region.

The Pahlavis really were guarantors of the Middle Eastern peace, and our presence in what is now the Fifth Fleet Operating Area was a joke by comparison -- a couple of older destroyers nominally homeported in Bahrain. That was about it -- and before 1963 or so, a small British task group based on Aden.

35 posted on 01/06/2012 4:14:01 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lurk
The regular German civilian was never our enemy either. But a lot of them had to get killed because of their leaders. This sh*t gives me a headache.
36 posted on 01/06/2012 4:16:44 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: dfwgator
German antisemitism began to grow in the late 1800's. The German Jews felt secure because they were fully assimilated, many of them celebrated war heroes from WW I fighting for the Kaiser, and did not see it coming. The rancor among Germans following the Treaty of Versailles, which Hitler skillfully blamed on the Jews, was what put the spark to the fire which ultimately comsumed the Reich.
37 posted on 01/06/2012 4:23:06 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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