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Black students at Duke upset over study (finding more black students drop out of hard majors)
Herald-Sun ^ | January 12, 2012 | Neil Offen

Posted on 01/13/2012 2:44:23 PM PST by reaganaut1

DURHAM — Black students at Duke University are angry over a university research paper that found African-American undergraduates at the school are disproportionally more likely to switch from tough majors to easier ones.

“The implications and intentions of this research at the hands of our very own prestigious faculty, seemingly without a genuine concern for proactively furthering the well-being of the black community is hurtful and alienating,” wrote the officers of Duke’s Black Student Alliance in an email sent to the state NAACP.

The letter from Nana Asante, president of the alliance, challenged the faculty members involved in the research and the university administration to consider “what image has this … report portrayed to the rest of the country, namely our peer institutions, about Duke and its black students?”

The unpublished report, “What Happens After Enrollment? An Analysis of the Time Path of Racial Differences in GPA and Major Choice,” looked at the Duke freshman classes that matriculated in 2001 and 2002, in their first, second and fourth years of college.

It found that among students who initially expressed an interest in majoring in economics, engineering and the natural sciences, 54 percent of black men and 51 percent of black women ended up switching to the humanities or another social science.

By comparison, 33 percent of white women and just 8 percent of white men made the switch to majors that are considered less rigorous, require less study and have easier grading standards.

According to the paper, 68 percent of Duke’s black students but less than 55 percent of white students ended up majoring in the humanities or social sciences other than economics.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: bellcurve; college; duke
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The paper is here . Here is the abstract:

If affirmative action results in minority students at elite schools having much potential but weak preparation, then we may expect minority students to start o§ behind their majority counterparts and then catch up over time. Indeed, at the private university we analyze, the gap between white and black grade point averages falls by half between the studentsífreshmen and senior year. However, this convergence masks two e§ects. First, the variance of grades given falls across time. Hence, shrinkage in the level of the gap may not imply shrinkage in the class rank gap. Second, grading standards di§er across courses in di§erent majors. We show that controlling for these two features virtually eliminates any convergence of black/white grades. In fact, black/white gpa convergence is symptomatic of dramatic shifts by blacks from initial interest in the natural sciences, engineering, and economics to majors in the humanities and social sciences. We show that natural science, engineering, and economics courses are more di¢ cult, associated with higher study times, and have harsher grading standards; all of which translate into students with weaker academic backgrounds being less likely to choose these majors. Indeed, we show that accounting for academic background can fully account for di§erences in switching behaviors across blacks and whites.

1 posted on 01/13/2012 2:44:28 PM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Of course, instead of being angry at the young men and women who take the easy way out, the race hustlers blame the school.


2 posted on 01/13/2012 2:47:31 PM PST by henkster (Obama regime mission statement: "Find the people working, and stop them!")
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To: reaganaut1
this research at the hands of our very own prestigious faculty, seemingly without a genuine concern for proactively furthering the well-being

So, the point of research is to further some goal or other?

Wow, who woulda thunkit?

Global Warming, here we come!

3 posted on 01/13/2012 2:47:31 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: reaganaut1
this convergence masks two e§ects

grading standards di§er across courses in di§erent majors.

Note to self: Do not type while hiccuping.

4 posted on 01/13/2012 2:49:47 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: reaganaut1

I wonder what the thoughts of Duke’s White Student Alliance were on the matter.


5 posted on 01/13/2012 2:49:53 PM PST by nesnah
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To: reaganaut1

Changing majors, baloney...

I’m betting a good many of them stopped reading the paper before they finished. ;^)


6 posted on 01/13/2012 2:51:28 PM PST by DoughtyOne (This administration is Barawkward... yes lets try everything that failed in the 20th Century. NOT!)
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To: reaganaut1
“The implications and intentions of this research at the hands of our very own prestigious faculty, seemingly without a genuine concern for proactively furthering the well-being of the black community is ...

Translation :

Without exploring ways to award the incompetent grades and diplomas that they can't otherwise earn...

Here we go again...

7 posted on 01/13/2012 2:51:56 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: nesnah

Paging Mike Adams, Mr. Mike Adams. Please pick up the red courtesy phone.


8 posted on 01/13/2012 2:52:16 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: All

wow. all they have to do is just lower the standards and everyone passes..


9 posted on 01/13/2012 2:53:13 PM PST by newnhdad
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To: Izzy Dunne

“this research at the hands of our very own prestigious faculty, seemingly without a genuine concern for proactively furthering the well-being”

translation: What about our self-esteem?


10 posted on 01/13/2012 2:53:18 PM PST by StAntKnee (I don't add SARC tags. You get the irony or you don't.)
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To: reaganaut1
Dear Black Students at Duke University,

Stop your F-ing whining and start studying. In life (real life--life outside of academia) nobody gives you anything, you have to EARN it. You don't want so many black students to drop or change majors, then encourage them to work harder and stop bleating like sheep.

Sincerely,

The America taxpayer.
11 posted on 01/13/2012 2:54:48 PM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: reaganaut1

“The Bell Curve”


12 posted on 01/13/2012 2:54:57 PM PST by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: reaganaut1

In other news Asian Parents are still disappointed their children only got a 4.0 GPA.


13 posted on 01/13/2012 2:56:06 PM PST by GraceG
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To: reaganaut1

If the NAACP really was interested in the ‘advancement’ of colored people (as their acronym proclaims) you’d think they would view this information as a call to action. But that’s not really what the NAACP is about now, is it?


14 posted on 01/13/2012 2:56:34 PM PST by liberalh8ter (I don't like what the world has become....)
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To: Sudetenland

Studying and getting good grades ain’t keepin’ it real.


15 posted on 01/13/2012 2:57:07 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: reaganaut1

OK, so the report’s findings are “...hurtful and alienating...”

But are they factual?


16 posted on 01/13/2012 2:57:18 PM PST by O6ret (for)
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To: reaganaut1

A number of years ago Thomas Sowell addressed the issue of affirmative action in major university acceptance standards stating that allowing minorities with substandard education backgrounds into the more academic demanding universities was dooming them to failure. And such failure would create nothing but increased hostility towards the white dominated schools and the white population in general.........


17 posted on 01/13/2012 2:57:19 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Naugahyde is no longer available due to the Naugas being hunted to extinction.....)
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To: henkster
I don't think they're blaming the school for the situation.

They're blaming the school for studying it and publicizing the situation.

-PJ

18 posted on 01/13/2012 2:57:26 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: dfwgator

Dig it, bro.


19 posted on 01/13/2012 2:57:58 PM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: reaganaut1

This is not NEWS, just simply TRUTH.


20 posted on 01/13/2012 2:58:14 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: Pan_Yan

ping to #1


21 posted on 01/13/2012 2:58:19 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: reaganaut1

Face it . . . sometimes the truth just simply hurts.


22 posted on 01/13/2012 2:59:00 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: henkster

“soft bigotry of low expectations” ping


23 posted on 01/13/2012 2:59:19 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: Sudetenland

I wonder how many are getting Pell Grants.

I went to a private woman’s college and one history class, the day before an exam, there was a black student in front of me with her head on the desk, asleep. When class was dismissed and she sleepily got up, I asked her, “Aren’t you worried about the exam?” she smiled and said, “Well, if I fail,I guess you will just pay for me to take the class again.”

I was working full time and going to school full time. I paid my own way. This so infuriated me. I never forgot it. And did find out some intentionally stayed unemployed or took jobs that paid cash so they could get the school paid for.


24 posted on 01/13/2012 3:00:33 PM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: John Semmens

Ping to hilarious source material!


25 posted on 01/13/2012 3:01:09 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: reaganaut1

Reality is not PC.


26 posted on 01/13/2012 3:02:04 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: stubernx98
“The Bell Curve”

Exactly. But facts are not PC.

27 posted on 01/13/2012 3:03:20 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Sudetenland
Dear Black Students at Duke University,

In life (real life--life outside of academia) nobody gives you anything, you have to EARN it.

LOL, that's a joke, right?

28 posted on 01/13/2012 3:03:37 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: nesnah

“I wonder what the thoughts of Duke’s White Student Alliance were on the matter.”

Too busy studying mathematics to organize, or comment.


29 posted on 01/13/2012 3:04:55 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: reaganaut1
wrote the officers of Duke’s Black Student Alliance in an email sent to the state NAACP

Eighty eight Duke faculty members wrote a letter in support of the Black Student Alliance without having read any of the study.

30 posted on 01/13/2012 3:06:45 PM PST by immadashell
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To: reaganaut1

Any studies comparing and contrasting the average high school GPAs, SAT And ACT scores for incoming Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, South Asians, East Asians that enter Duke their freshman year ? College students often have stories of students getting into schools like Duke where if they were White students their application would have been viewed as purely entertainment.


31 posted on 01/13/2012 3:07:08 PM PST by emax
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To: Sudetenland
Stop your F-ing whining and start studying. In life (real life--life outside of academia) nobody gives you anything, you have to EARN it.

Not necessarily. You wouldn't believe how many black females get promoted to management in the corporation I work in. It's because they get to check off two EEO/AA boxes. Now if they're black, female AND handicapped, the sky is the limit.
32 posted on 01/13/2012 3:07:27 PM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: reaganaut1
“The implications and intentions of this research at the hands of our very own prestigious faculty, seemingly without a genuine concern for proactively furthering the well-being of the black community is hurtful and alienating,” wrote the officers of Duke’s Black Student Alliance in an email sent to the state NAACP.

Reality is always devastating to people who live their lives in Fantasyland.

Wouldn't surprise me if the "remedy" is the conferring of actual science degrees without the "hurtful" and "alienating" process of passing courses.

33 posted on 01/13/2012 3:10:42 PM PST by denydenydeny (The more a system is all about equality in theory the more it's an aristocracy in practice.)
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To: immadashell
Eighty eight Duke faculty members wrote a letter in support of the Black Student Alliance without having read any of the study.

Any bets on how many of those professors teach in the humanities or social sciences other than economics, and not in math, science, engineering, or economics??

34 posted on 01/13/2012 3:11:53 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: DoughtyOne

Good reason to End Affirmative Action.


35 posted on 01/13/2012 3:11:54 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: reaganaut1
An ingenious plan, on the part of libs.

Get some intelligent “negros”, lure them into a school for which they are not qualified or prepared, get them in for a year, saddle them with $30k debt, prove to them they can't compete in college, and have them drop out. Plus, it makes the rich white kids feel great about the “diversity” the experienced on campus, taking the black kids in as a “pet”.

Now you've got an angry, impoverished, un-degreed, person, who will likely vote democrat the rest of their lives. However, more importantly, they'll never serve as a role model to others in “the community” of persistance and success.

36 posted on 01/13/2012 3:11:57 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: crosshairs

Can you spell moochelle odumbo?


37 posted on 01/13/2012 3:12:47 PM PST by taillightchaser (Third party=four more years of marxism)
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To: reaganaut1

Sounds to me as if the students are upset by the truth.


38 posted on 01/13/2012 3:13:08 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Romney ruined Massachusetts. Now he wants to ruin the nation.)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

A couple years ago I overheard a coworker bragging that the college grants he was receiving far exceeded the cost of his classes and materials. This individual was 50 years old, multi-degreed, and...
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African-American.


39 posted on 01/13/2012 3:14:19 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: liberalh8ter

If the NAACP was really interested in “advancement”, they would have disbanded once a member of a minority race became President Of The United States.


40 posted on 01/13/2012 3:15:12 PM PST by Question Liberal Authority (I also think that Obama should be defeated.)
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To: reaganaut1

Obviously, we need to give MORE Taxpayer money to black under-achievers, and that will solve their problem with getting through tough courses?


41 posted on 01/13/2012 3:22:02 PM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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To: immadashell

Are these the same 88 who went after the Duke Lacrosse Players?


42 posted on 01/13/2012 3:22:59 PM PST by mortal19440
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To: reaganaut1
"54 percent of black men and 51 percent of black women ended up switching to the humanities or another social science"

I'm picking up a pattern here.....these stats are eerily equivalent to the criminal population in prisons.....

43 posted on 01/13/2012 3:23:27 PM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Who would have thunk?


44 posted on 01/13/2012 3:24:06 PM PST by The Old Commander (Where is Madam dufarge when we need her?)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Who would have thunk?


45 posted on 01/13/2012 3:24:14 PM PST by The Old Commander (Where is Madam dufarge when we need her?)
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To: reaganaut1; All

Before I could make a meaningful analysis of the meaning of this, I would need more information. For instance:

What were the economic backgrounds of these “black” students that dropped out of the “hard” subjects? Were they from poor families and lived in areas where the High Schools did not prepare them for a first rate university setting? In other words, were they allowed to enter with lower GPAs and college entrance exams than the rest of the college student body?

IF this is so I would expect that a “white” student from a similar economic background where a quality High School education was not available to do as poorly. However, does the University not allow “white” students of reduced backgrounds into the school? If not the comparison is not logical.

IF however, students - black or white - come from similar economic backgrounds with similar GPAs and entrance exam results....this would be a troubling findind. It would imply that “black” students are intrinsically lazy (seeking the path of least resistance) or not as mentally capable as their white counterparts. I find both of these conclusion as not being plausible.

I wish they would provide more information.


46 posted on 01/13/2012 3:26:09 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: henkster
The left fiddles with data all the time, but when the results don't
meet their agenda they become irate.
I love it when truth hits them in the nose.
47 posted on 01/13/2012 3:26:36 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: henkster

We saw this switch by Black middle class students at the high school our kids attended. It was Nicolet H.S., a suburban school where 80% go onto college and most, even minorities are middle class. I was a parent active on PTA committees and from knowing kids and parents and from the committee reports I had access to saw a lot of the Black kids were taking the minimum of math and science required to still get into college. The college bound whites, especially the Jewish and Asian kids were taking science and math for all 4 years of HS, as they wanted to be doctors, researchers or engineers.


48 posted on 01/13/2012 3:29:01 PM PST by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: reaganaut1

Awww the poor little race baiters got their itty bitty feewings hurt..... Truth is painful aint it.


49 posted on 01/13/2012 3:29:17 PM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: reaganaut1
“The implications and intentions of this research at the hands of our very own prestigious faculty, seemingly without a genuine concern for proactively furthering the well-being of the black community is hurtful and alienating,”

Translation: We can't HANDLE the truth!

50 posted on 01/13/2012 3:32:34 PM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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