Skip to comments.Black students at Duke upset over study (finding more black students drop out of hard majors)
Posted on 01/13/2012 2:44:23 PM PST by reaganaut1
DURHAM Black students at Duke University are angry over a university research paper that found African-American undergraduates at the school are disproportionally more likely to switch from tough majors to easier ones.
The implications and intentions of this research at the hands of our very own prestigious faculty, seemingly without a genuine concern for proactively furthering the well-being of the black community is hurtful and alienating, wrote the officers of Dukes Black Student Alliance in an email sent to the state NAACP.
The letter from Nana Asante, president of the alliance, challenged the faculty members involved in the research and the university administration to consider what image has this report portrayed to the rest of the country, namely our peer institutions, about Duke and its black students?
The unpublished report, What Happens After Enrollment? An Analysis of the Time Path of Racial Differences in GPA and Major Choice, looked at the Duke freshman classes that matriculated in 2001 and 2002, in their first, second and fourth years of college.
It found that among students who initially expressed an interest in majoring in economics, engineering and the natural sciences, 54 percent of black men and 51 percent of black women ended up switching to the humanities or another social science.
By comparison, 33 percent of white women and just 8 percent of white men made the switch to majors that are considered less rigorous, require less study and have easier grading standards.
According to the paper, 68 percent of Dukes black students but less than 55 percent of white students ended up majoring in the humanities or social sciences other than economics.
(Excerpt) Read more at heraldsun.com ...
If affirmative action results in minority students at elite schools having much potential but weak preparation, then we may expect minority students to start o§ behind their majority counterparts and then catch up over time. Indeed, at the private university we analyze, the gap between white and black grade point averages falls by half between the studentsífreshmen and senior year. However, this convergence masks two e§ects. First, the variance of grades given falls across time. Hence, shrinkage in the level of the gap may not imply shrinkage in the class rank gap. Second, grading standards di§er across courses in di§erent majors. We show that controlling for these two features virtually eliminates any convergence of black/white grades. In fact, black/white gpa convergence is symptomatic of dramatic shifts by blacks from initial interest in the natural sciences, engineering, and economics to majors in the humanities and social sciences. We show that natural science, engineering, and economics courses are more di¢ cult, associated with higher study times, and have harsher grading standards; all of which translate into students with weaker academic backgrounds being less likely to choose these majors. Indeed, we show that accounting for academic background can fully account for di§erences in switching behaviors across blacks and whites.
Of course, instead of being angry at the young men and women who take the easy way out, the race hustlers blame the school.
So, the point of research is to further some goal or other?
Wow, who woulda thunkit?
Global Warming, here we come!
grading standards di§er across courses in di§erent majors.
Note to self: Do not type while hiccuping.
I wonder what the thoughts of Duke’s White Student Alliance were on the matter.
Changing majors, baloney...
I’m betting a good many of them stopped reading the paper before they finished. ;^)
Without exploring ways to award the incompetent grades and diplomas that they can't otherwise earn...
Here we go again...
Paging Mike Adams, Mr. Mike Adams. Please pick up the red courtesy phone.
wow. all they have to do is just lower the standards and everyone passes..
“this research at the hands of our very own prestigious faculty, seemingly without a genuine concern for proactively furthering the well-being”
translation: What about our self-esteem?
“The Bell Curve”
In other news Asian Parents are still disappointed their children only got a 4.0 GPA.
If the NAACP really was interested in the ‘advancement’ of colored people (as their acronym proclaims) you’d think they would view this information as a call to action. But that’s not really what the NAACP is about now, is it?
Studying and getting good grades ain’t keepin’ it real.
OK, so the report’s findings are “...hurtful and alienating...
But are they factual?
A number of years ago Thomas Sowell addressed the issue of affirmative action in major university acceptance standards stating that allowing minorities with substandard education backgrounds into the more academic demanding universities was dooming them to failure. And such failure would create nothing but increased hostility towards the white dominated schools and the white population in general.........
They're blaming the school for studying it and publicizing the situation.
Dig it, bro.
This is not NEWS, just simply TRUTH.
ping to #1
Face it . . . sometimes the truth just simply hurts.
“soft bigotry of low expectations” ping
I wonder how many are getting Pell Grants.
I went to a private woman’s college and one history class, the day before an exam, there was a black student in front of me with her head on the desk, asleep. When class was dismissed and she sleepily got up, I asked her, “Aren’t you worried about the exam?” she smiled and said, “Well, if I fail,I guess you will just pay for me to take the class again.”
I was working full time and going to school full time. I paid my own way. This so infuriated me. I never forgot it. And did find out some intentionally stayed unemployed or took jobs that paid cash so they could get the school paid for.
Ping to hilarious source material!
Reality is not PC.
Exactly. But facts are not PC.
In life (real life--life outside of academia) nobody gives you anything, you have to EARN it.
LOL, that's a joke, right?
“I wonder what the thoughts of Dukes White Student Alliance were on the matter.”
Too busy studying mathematics to organize, or comment.
Eighty eight Duke faculty members wrote a letter in support of the Black Student Alliance without having read any of the study.
Any studies comparing and contrasting the average high school GPAs, SAT And ACT scores for incoming Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, South Asians, East Asians that enter Duke their freshman year ? College students often have stories of students getting into schools like Duke where if they were White students their application would have been viewed as purely entertainment.
Reality is always devastating to people who live their lives in Fantasyland.
Wouldn't surprise me if the "remedy" is the conferring of actual science degrees without the "hurtful" and "alienating" process of passing courses.
Any bets on how many of those professors teach in the humanities or social sciences other than economics, and not in math, science, engineering, or economics??
Good reason to End Affirmative Action.
Get some intelligent “negros”, lure them into a school for which they are not qualified or prepared, get them in for a year, saddle them with $30k debt, prove to them they can't compete in college, and have them drop out. Plus, it makes the rich white kids feel great about the “diversity” the experienced on campus, taking the black kids in as a “pet”.
Now you've got an angry, impoverished, un-degreed, person, who will likely vote democrat the rest of their lives. However, more importantly, they'll never serve as a role model to others in “the community” of persistance and success.
Can you spell moochelle odumbo?
Sounds to me as if the students are upset by the truth.
A couple years ago I overheard a coworker bragging that the college grants he was receiving far exceeded the cost of his classes and materials. This individual was 50 years old, multi-degreed, and...
wait for it...
If the NAACP was really interested in “advancement”, they would have disbanded once a member of a minority race became President Of The United States.
Obviously, we need to give MORE Taxpayer money to black under-achievers, and that will solve their problem with getting through tough courses?
Are these the same 88 who went after the Duke Lacrosse Players?
I'm picking up a pattern here.....these stats are eerily equivalent to the criminal population in prisons.....
Who would have thunk?
Who would have thunk?
Before I could make a meaningful analysis of the meaning of this, I would need more information. For instance:
What were the economic backgrounds of these “black” students that dropped out of the “hard” subjects? Were they from poor families and lived in areas where the High Schools did not prepare them for a first rate university setting? In other words, were they allowed to enter with lower GPAs and college entrance exams than the rest of the college student body?
IF this is so I would expect that a “white” student from a similar economic background where a quality High School education was not available to do as poorly. However, does the University not allow “white” students of reduced backgrounds into the school? If not the comparison is not logical.
IF however, students - black or white - come from similar economic backgrounds with similar GPAs and entrance exam results....this would be a troubling findind. It would imply that “black” students are intrinsically lazy (seeking the path of least resistance) or not as mentally capable as their white counterparts. I find both of these conclusion as not being plausible.
I wish they would provide more information.
We saw this switch by Black middle class students at the high school our kids attended. It was Nicolet H.S., a suburban school where 80% go onto college and most, even minorities are middle class. I was a parent active on PTA committees and from knowing kids and parents and from the committee reports I had access to saw a lot of the Black kids were taking the minimum of math and science required to still get into college. The college bound whites, especially the Jewish and Asian kids were taking science and math for all 4 years of HS, as they wanted to be doctors, researchers or engineers.
Awww the poor little race baiters got their itty bitty feewings hurt..... Truth is painful aint it.
Translation: We can't HANDLE the truth!