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Rep. Allen West on the reaction to the Marines incident: “Shut your mouth; war is hell”
Hotair ^ | 01/13/2012 | Tina Korbe

Posted on 01/14/2012 6:41:26 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Candidly, the story of a handful of Marines videotaping themselves urinating on dead Taliban fighters is a subject I’ve feared to broach because it is heart-breaking to think those men so lost their sense of shared humanity — if only for those minutes — as to do what they did. Rep. Allen West has given me a way to write about it, though, by saying it all better than I ever could. In an e-mail to The Weekly Standard, West wrote:

I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.

All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?

The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.

As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.

Without excusing the vulgar, distasteful, disgraceful (insert your adjective here) desecration committed by the Marines themselves, West reminds us that civilians can never fully understand the magnitude of the sacrifices they ask men and women to make on their behalf.

Words of support for the troops are needed now as always, but they’re hardly forthcoming. The Republican presidential candidates, for example, have made no statements of support for the predominantly well-behaved troops as a buttress against the effects on public opinion of the administration’s eager denouncement of the few. William Kristol highlights their silence:

Give me a break. More importantly, give our troops a break. Yes, the Marines who appear to have done what they did should be reprimanded or punished, as they would have been in the normal course of things once their deed came to light. I will even grant that some higher-ups might have felt it prudent to deplore what happened, based on realpolitik considerations of depriving our enemies of excuses to whip up sentiment against us in the region (though I’m doubtful the effort to do this isn’t more counterproductive than not). But the administration’s reaction is over the top. And it smells of cheap self-righteousness and moral posturing from an administration that, to be honest, hasn’t devoted a whole lot of time to thanking our troops for what they’ve been doing in very difficult and dangerous circumstances.

Maybe it was too much to expect senior officials to make the common sense points that 1) this incident is not something to get hysterical about, and 2) it needs to be put in the context of the admirable behavior of 99 percent of our troops 99 percent of the time. But aren’t there Republicans around who might want to make this point? I gather, for example, that there are several people running for the Republican presidential nomination. Maybe one of them could say a good word about our troops?

Those who do dare to speak up are promptly attacked for it. Big Journalism’s Dana Loesch describes the backlash she’s received for a few statements she made on her radio program yesterday to the effect that the reaction to the incident has been overblown:

This is nothing but an exercise in situational, exploitative outrage, and it completely proved the point I was making. The phrases “defile” and “desecration” popped up in my replies on Twitter every minute or so. If “desecration” is a concern for progressives, where was their outrage when the remains of over 200 Air Force members were dumped in a landfill? I’ve seen more outrage towards our troops over this incident than I have ever seen towards the Taliban themselves who’ve beheaded soldiers (American and Afghan), raped and tortured women, sent out suicide bombers, and carried out horrific attacks.

The disproportionate anger on the part of progressives is fueled by their dislike of our military. That['s] what this proves. The left is attacking me so they can give the Obama administration a pass–unlike what they did with Bush and Abu Ghraib. Like it or not, I’ll stand up for our troops no matter which president is in charge.

The situation has never called for histrionics, but it has always called for a sober recognition that the reality of war is unfathomable to those who’ve never experienced it, and it is up to us, who remain in comfort while others fight our battles, to sing the praises of those who bear with the unbearable in a brave and noble manner — and to help however we can to restore to those veterans who’ve lost it a deep, abiding conviction in the dignity and worth of the human person.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: allenwest; alteredtitle; marines; pissing; taliban
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1 posted on 01/14/2012 6:41:33 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The left wing democrat and rino communist citizens of America are outraged at military soldiers who do their jobs of killing enemy terrorists than they are at the terrorist major who the DOJ defends for the murder of American soldiers at a military base which the DOJ rats describe as workplace violence.
Of the left wing communists it can truly be said, they call evil good and good evil.


2 posted on 01/14/2012 6:46:06 AM PST by kindred (wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ ...)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about a little perspective. These guys had just filled the tallibanners brains with hot led. And people get upset over a little pee?


3 posted on 01/14/2012 6:46:49 AM PST by DManA
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To: kindred

Allen West is the man!


4 posted on 01/14/2012 6:48:17 AM PST by maineman (BC EAGLES FAN)
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree with LCOL West and I appreciate your position. Hang in there for our troops and don’t let the Bastards beat you down.


5 posted on 01/14/2012 6:48:21 AM PST by mortal19440
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To: SeekAndFind

I like LTCOL West. I think he has it just about right.


6 posted on 01/14/2012 6:50:47 AM PST by paterfamilias
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To: maineman

Bravo!


7 posted on 01/14/2012 6:50:48 AM PST by FES0844
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To: SeekAndFind

Congratulations to Col West!!!

where are the other conservatives? the Weasels!

Where is Code Pink? Where is John Kerry and “Ghengis” Kahn, now that this is not a Republican President?

My empathy is for these Marines, who got to this point with multiple deployments and watching these Muslim savages kill their friends. Where is the outrage over decimating the military to create endless deployments? where is the outrage that the Va does not have enough services for these young veterans when they come home with the nitemares of WAR??


8 posted on 01/14/2012 6:51:33 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: SeekAndFind

Reading other threads, I don’t think most readers have the slightest clue as to the severity of the punishment that West is recommending. He’s not calling for a slap on the wrist here.


9 posted on 01/14/2012 6:51:50 AM PST by Melas (u)
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To: mortal19440

I appreciate that he is the only one so far defending our troops. All the GOP candidates should be following suit and doing so proudly.


10 posted on 01/14/2012 6:52:47 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: SeekAndFind

Well said, COL West.


11 posted on 01/14/2012 7:05:55 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: All

What a man!

View this short video of Col Allen West explaining Islam to a marine. (Start at about 1:35)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGQmCZjJ0k

We need this man in the new Republican administration.
He is one of the few with guts enough to tell it like it is.
Our elected officials are limp wristed whips who are afraid of Obama and Muslims.


12 posted on 01/14/2012 7:10:12 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Probably the 1st shower those guys have had in years.
13 posted on 01/14/2012 7:10:47 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: Blue Highway

God bless Allen West.


14 posted on 01/14/2012 7:11:06 AM PST by Pfesser
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Where is John Kerry and “Ghengis” Kahn, now that this is not a Republican President?


15 posted on 01/14/2012 7:11:24 AM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: SeekAndFind

I said almost the same thing as Col West on YT and pissed off a good number of Bleeding Heart Liberal Rag Heads, who couldn’t find their A$$ in a lighted room with both hands.


16 posted on 01/14/2012 7:12:11 AM PST by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Melas

That is tangential. His point is seeking balance and perspective in media discussions.


17 posted on 01/14/2012 7:14:06 AM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: SeekAndFind

Could they have a defense that they were not peeing toward Mecca and they all think they missed the guy that had just tried to blow them up...and didn’t have any idea that one of the rules of engagment was no peeing on the bastard that just tried to kill you..just no peeing toward Mecca. And if the arab’s are offended, bring all our boys/girls/ home yesterday. Fight your own damn fight, if you want freedom fight for it yourself or live as slaves in the 5th centrury, we are done.....


18 posted on 01/14/2012 7:17:39 AM PST by goat granny
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To: SeekAndFind
Maybe it was too much to expect senior officials to make the common sense points that 1) this incident is not something to get hysterical about, and 2) it needs to be put in the context of the admirable behavior of 99 percent of our troops 99 percent of the time. But aren’t there Republicans around who might want to make this point? I gather, for example, that there are several people running for the Republican presidential nomination. Maybe one of them could say a good word about our troops?

Totally agree! Here's hoping we will see at least ONE of the Presidential candidates speak up for our military! I STILL want to know WHO shot the video and proceeded to post it on the net! WHY isn't the media asking that question? We ALL KNOW if the video was of Monica in the Oval Office doing her thing in her blue dress, the media would be asking: "WHO was that terrible person who shot the video?"
19 posted on 01/14/2012 7:21:57 AM PST by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I would give those Marines 1st Freedom Urinary Medals.
They should have done it while the suckers were ALIVE.
This is the ENEMY-people who want to take over the world and plunge it into the Dark Ages. The same people who butcher and burn American bodies after dragging them through the streets.
NO mercy.
NO dignity.
Just death and befoulment of all things Muslim.


20 posted on 01/14/2012 7:23:51 AM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: DManA
This is what Mark Levin had to say about it:

And what we should be saying: “Let this be a lesson to everyone of you subhumans who plots against America and tries to kill American citizens. We don’t give a damn who you are! We don’t give a damn what you believe! And we don’t give a damn if you’re offended! Because we’re going to hunt you down and kill you and then humiliate you after you’re killed!

Got it?!
21 posted on 01/14/2012 7:25:03 AM PST by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: patriot08

Viewed the clip though I had seen it before. I agree with it even more each time I see it. And, yes, we do very badly need this man as a part of any Republican administration. That will only happen though, if we can successfully silence the liberal elements of that Republican administration.


22 posted on 01/14/2012 7:26:27 AM PST by davisfh
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To: SeekAndFind

” so lost their humanity” what tripe.

Ike let tens of thousands die in a muddy field with no food water or medical care.....


23 posted on 01/14/2012 7:26:48 AM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: seekthetruth

Excellent.


24 posted on 01/14/2012 7:27:27 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: seekthetruth
This is what Mark Levin had to say about it:

And what we should be saying: “Let this be a lesson to everyone of you subhumans who plots against America and tries to kill American citizens. We don’t give a damn who you are! We don’t give a damn what you believe! And we don’t give a damn if you’re offended! Because we’re going to hunt you down and kill you and then humiliate you after you’re killed!


Ha ha, Mark always has the mot juste.
25 posted on 01/14/2012 7:27:38 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Old Sarge

Oh, yeah, what was I thinking to criticize our Dear Leader???


26 posted on 01/14/2012 7:32:53 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: kindred
The left wing democrat and rino communist citizens of America are more outraged at military soldiers who do their jobs of killing enemy terrorists than they are at the terrorist major who the DOJ defends for the murder of American soldiers at a military base which the DOJ rats describe as workplace violence. Of the left wing communists it can truly be said, they call evil good and good evil.

You expressed my opinion exactly!

My question remains, WHO shot the video??
27 posted on 01/14/2012 7:33:34 AM PST by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Marines - IF these were actual Marines - should be punished appropriately: maybe an extra 5 minutes of PT?

Screw the AQ thugs. And #### the leftscum and their “outrage”!


28 posted on 01/14/2012 7:36:06 AM PST by piytar (The Obama Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Congratulations to Col West!!!

Where are the other conservatives? the Weasels!

Where is Code Pink? Where is John Kerry and “Ghengis” Kahn, now that this is not a Republican President?

My empathy is for these Marines, who got to this point with multiple deployments and watching these Muslim savages kill their friends. Where is the outrage over decimating the military to create endless deployments? where is the outrage that the Va does not have enough services for these young veterans when they come home with the nitemares of WAR??

I NEVER could have said it better! Thank you!!
29 posted on 01/14/2012 7:38:02 AM PST by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: patriot08

“What a man!

View this short video of Col Allen West explaining Islam to a marine. (Start at about 1:35)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGQmCZjJ0k

We need this man in the new Republican administration.
He is one of the few with guts enough to tell it like it is.
Our elected officials are limp wristed whips who are afraid of Obama and Muslims.”

Thanks for posting this link.

I agree WE NEED ALLEN WEST IN THE NEW ADMINISTRATION!!!!!!!


30 posted on 01/14/2012 7:41:10 AM PST by paterfamilias
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31 posted on 01/14/2012 7:42:14 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: maineman; manc; wymck; ghost26; PJammers; myuval; tiredofreeloaders; WBITT; bigcheese; Yulee; ...
Allen West is the man.

We Floridians think so too!
32 posted on 01/14/2012 7:42:47 AM PST by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America

Nuff said.


33 posted on 01/14/2012 7:43:03 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: SeekAndFind

As a retired Marine, here is how I see it. Americans send their men and women into war, and yet, many have this synthetic, righteous belief that warriors can become effective mechanical killers while remaining perfectly civilized in an environment where killing human beings daily is common place while those being killed are trying their best to kill you first. One small deviation from civility and the critics jump to crucify you, instead of recognizing that you need their support to help you hang on to your sanity. The challenge becomes: How can I continue to remain an effective killer day out and day in without going stark raving mad? I’ll tell you how. You have to dehumanize your enemy. And, after long combat stretches, this gets easier and easier as you get shot at repeatedly and your closest buddies get shot and their life slips away in your arms. Endure this hell repeatedly and then tell me whether your only thoughts are of condemnation?


34 posted on 01/14/2012 7:44:24 AM PST by iontheball
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To: SeekAndFind
Wait, doesn't Rumsfeld Panetta have to resign over this?
35 posted on 01/14/2012 7:49:04 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: iontheball

Agreed. Only thing I see suitable for criticism is their lack of the kind of judgement marines should demonstrate: I would have thought marines would have known better than making a video.


36 posted on 01/14/2012 7:54:10 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: DManA
Filled theirs with hot lead!

My defense would be that I was trying to put out fire.

37 posted on 01/14/2012 8:01:14 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: DManA
Filled theirs with hot lead!

My defense would be that I was trying to put out fire.

38 posted on 01/14/2012 8:02:45 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: SeekAndFind

I hope they all had a lot of pee at that moment.


39 posted on 01/14/2012 8:04:52 AM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Hussein in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: iontheball

Well said. I was marrried to one of those guys for almost 50 years.


40 posted on 01/14/2012 8:09:33 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: piytar
< < Screw the AQ thugs. And #### the leftscum and their “outrage”! > >

Piss on 'em all.

LCOL West said what most Americans are thinking -- those b@stards were trying to kill the Marines, but the Marines beat 'em to the draw. Desecration is cutting off someone's head because he is a Jew, stoning a woman because she walked down the street without a male relative, or sending a child with a bomb strapped to him into a marketplace.

Every word that the leftist media used to describe these 4 heroes should be applied to the islamists around the world -- particularly here in the US: in the media, in our armed forces, in our Congress and legislatures, and especially in the White House.

The men deserve a liberty for doing their job well, not a punishment for reacting normally.

41 posted on 01/14/2012 8:11:01 AM PST by womanvet (Lesser of 2 evils is Romney, but No man is justified in doing evil on the ground of expediency)
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To: SeekAndFind

West is introducing good judgement, perspective, and proportionality into the discussion, which so far has been lead by the weeping and gnashing of teeth in the liberal media.

Had I been there, I would have done worse to the body and I appreciate what the marines were doing. The fact that this is a lad media story for days indicates how much of a need liberals have to bash the country and raise every fart to the level of a major scandal.


42 posted on 01/14/2012 8:16:09 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

lad = lead


43 posted on 01/14/2012 8:17:01 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: seekthetruth
Where is the leftist indignation and outrage when little girls right here in this country are murdered by their own fathers and brothers and they call this “honor” killings?!!!!!!!! Where is the leftist indignation and outrage when women and children are buried to their shoulders and stoned to death?!!!!!!!!! Where is the leftist indignation and outrage that 13
American Soldiers were slaughtered at Ft Hood by Major Hasan, “the enemy within” and this President cowardly calls this “workplace violence”?!!!!!!!!!! It was a TERRROIST ATTACK but the left and this President dangerously continue to appease terrorists and their terrorism of all of us! Where is the leftist indignation that this terrorist is still being paid by our tax dollars??!!!!

God knows what our Soldiers have seen in their tours of duty but I'll bet peeing on corpses would be considered child's play to what they have seen Al Qaeda and the Taliban do.
Dana Loesch is a fierce defender of our troops and I'll proudly stand with her anywhere, anytime!
Beverly Perlson
The Band of Mothers

44 posted on 01/14/2012 8:18:38 AM PST by bevperl (Support our Troops!)
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To: SeekAndFind
All this who-ha about giving dead muslims a Islamic Baptism.
45 posted on 01/14/2012 8:37:11 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: SeekAndFind

Isn’t it amazing how people who have never been in the military, let alone a combat situation are always the first to denigrate our troops? Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Leon Pannetta, etc., you should be ashamed of yourselves. If I was there, I would have covered them with pig blood.


46 posted on 01/14/2012 8:43:12 AM PST by anoldafvet
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To: SeekAndFind

Rep West is a voice of reason. I could care less about this incident. Let them handle it in the field, not the MSM.


47 posted on 01/14/2012 8:47:47 AM PST by tioga ( Choose an author as you choose a friend. Sir Christopher Wren)
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To: tioga

couldn’t care less........dang slow computer leaves me too much time to spot my mistakes.


48 posted on 01/14/2012 8:48:54 AM PST by tioga ( Choose an author as you choose a friend. Sir Christopher Wren)
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To: iontheball
As a retired Marine, here is how I see it. Americans send their men and women into war, and yet, many have this synthetic, righteous belief that warriors can become effective mechanical killers while remaining perfectly civilized in an environment where killing human beings daily is common place while those being killed are trying their best to kill you first. One small deviation from civility and the critics jump to crucify you, instead of recognizing that you need their support to help you hang on to your sanity. The challenge becomes: How can I continue to remain an effective killer day out and day in without going stark raving mad? I’ll tell you how. You have to dehumanize your enemy. And, after long combat stretches, this gets easier and easier as you get shot at repeatedly and your closest buddies get shot and their life slips away in your arms. Endure this hell repeatedly and then tell me whether your only thoughts are of condemnation?

God Bless You! Thank you for your service to our country!
49 posted on 01/14/2012 8:59:51 AM PST by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: paterfamilias
I agree WE NEED ALLEN WEST IN THE NEW ADMINISTRATION!!!!!!!

Allen West as Secretary of Defense would be wonderful!
50 posted on 01/14/2012 9:03:08 AM PST by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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