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Project to pour water into volcano to make power
Fuel Fix ^ | January 16, 2012 | Associated Press

Posted on 01/16/2012 7:27:17 AM PST by thackney

Geothermal energy developers plan to pump 24 million gallons of water into the side of a dormant volcano in Central Oregon this summer to demonstrate new technology they hope will give a boost to a green energy sector that has yet to live up to its promise.

They hope the water comes back to the surface fast enough and hot enough to create cheap, clean electricity that isn’t dependent on sunny skies or stiff breezes — without shaking the earth and rattling the nerves of nearby residents.

Renewable energy has been held back by cheap natural gas, weak demand for power and waning political concern over global warming. Efforts to use the earth’s heat to generate power, known as geothermal energy, have been further hampered by technical problems and worries that tapping it can cause earthquakes.

Even so, the federal government, Google and other investors are interested enough to bet $43 million on the Oregon project. They are helping AltaRock Energy, Inc. of Seattle and Davenport Newberry Holdings LLC of Stamford, Conn., demonstrate whether the next level in geothermal power development can work on the flanks of Newberrry Volcano, located about 20 miles south of Bend, Ore.

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Wells are drilled deep into the rock and water is pumped in, creating tiny fractures in the rock, a process known as hydroshearing.

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Hydroshearing is similar to the process known as hydraulic fracturing...

(Excerpt) Read more at fuelfix.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: energy; fracking; geothermal; oregon; volcano
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1 posted on 01/16/2012 7:27:30 AM PST by thackney
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2 posted on 01/16/2012 7:28:33 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: thackney

What could possibly go wrong?


3 posted on 01/16/2012 7:28:33 AM PST by BipolarBob (I don't mind you shooting at me, Frank, but take it easy on the Bacardi!)
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To: thackney

That region of the globe is overdue for a really large earthquake anyway. When it happens, and it will happen, it will be blamed on this sort of technology irrespective of actual, uh, “fault.”


4 posted on 01/16/2012 7:30:37 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks thackney.
Geothermal energy developers plan to pump 24 million gallons of water into the side of a dormant volcano in Central Oregon this summer to demonstrate new technology they hope will give a boost to a green energy sector that has yet to live up to its promise.
As you may have guessed, it's another one of Zero's harebrained 'green' wastes of taxpayer green. The company should rename itself Volyndra.


5 posted on 01/16/2012 7:31:09 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: BipolarBob

That was my first thought. Man oh man.


6 posted on 01/16/2012 7:34:14 AM PST by Peter from Rutland
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To: thackney

The big difference is that fracking isn’t dumping water onto superheated rock causing the water to flash to steam. (Which creates some serious pressure)


7 posted on 01/16/2012 7:34:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: BipolarBob
What could possibly go wrong?

Well, first off, the government will 'get involved' which will shut down the process if it turns out successful.

8 posted on 01/16/2012 7:34:27 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: thackney

But then the Thetans may escape!


9 posted on 01/16/2012 7:34:39 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: BipolarBob
What could possibly go wrong?
It did wonders for the people of Pompeii.

10 posted on 01/16/2012 7:35:00 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: thackney

Kaboooo!!!!!.....


11 posted on 01/16/2012 7:35:22 AM PST by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: BipolarBob

Indeed. I’m just a poor engineer, but drilling into the side of a volcano strikes me as a really, really bad idea.


12 posted on 01/16/2012 7:35:37 AM PST by wbill
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To: musicman
The problem is that if you just pump the water into the ground and let direct action heat it it also picks up a lot of minerals and salts from the volcanic rock around it. It would be like sand blasting the inside of your turbine. Saying that turbines don't like hard water is something of an understatement. So you have to use a heat exchanger to transfer heat from the hard water coming out of the ground to “clean” water used for the turbine. But now you have another point of heat loss to the water coming out of the ground needs to be very hot or you end up with saturated steam in your turbine loop.
13 posted on 01/16/2012 7:37:38 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: BipolarBob

“What could possibly go wrong?”

I could see where the project workers could get really steamed over this.


14 posted on 01/16/2012 7:38:00 AM PST by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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To: thackney

This is right up there with the plan to send millions of mirrors into orbit to reflect the sunlight and reduce “global warming.”


15 posted on 01/16/2012 7:38:34 AM PST by eCSMaster (Democrats:always looking for someone else to blame)
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To: SunkenCiv

You can bet if there’s taxpayer money involved,
the shareholders in this company are big contributors to democRats and 0bama.


16 posted on 01/16/2012 7:40:29 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: BipolarBob

Isn’t this water that belongs to some endangered minnow?


17 posted on 01/16/2012 7:41:41 AM PST by depressed in 06 ( Where is the 1984 Apple Super Bowl ad when we need it?)
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To: thackney
Just remember, if you ever drop your keys into a river of molten lava, let 'em go.

Because, man, they're gone.

18 posted on 01/16/2012 7:42:56 AM PST by Dick Holmes
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To: MrB

The U.S. Department of Energy has given the project $21.5 million in stimulus funds. That has been matched by private investors, among them Google with $6.3 million.


19 posted on 01/16/2012 7:43:27 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: BipolarBob

“Would Ms.Saint Helen please pick up the courtesy phone”


20 posted on 01/16/2012 7:47:48 AM PST by blackdog (And justice for all.....(Offer not valid in all locations, and prices vary))
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To: cripplecreek
I'm a licensed boiler mechanic. Water by volume is more explosive than gasoline when instantly converted to superheated steam. 1ml of water instantly becomes 1,110ml of steam.

I can't even do the math on 26 million gallons of water converted to steam. What's 26 million gallons times 1,100?

21 posted on 01/16/2012 7:52:15 AM PST by blackdog (And justice for all.....(Offer not valid in all locations, and prices vary))
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To: thackney
"They hope the water comes back to the surface fast enough and hot enough to create cheap, clean electricity that isn’t dependent on sunny skies or stiff breezes — without shaking the earth and rattling the nerves of nearby residents."

Operative words: THEY HOPE!

22 posted on 01/16/2012 7:53:48 AM PST by eCSMaster (Democrats:always looking for someone else to blame)
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To: thackney

If there really is intelligent life somewhere in the universe, I sure hope they aren’t watching us. Dumping 24 million gallons of water into a volcano! No there’s an idea!


23 posted on 01/16/2012 7:53:53 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("Climate Change" my a.... All weather is local.)
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To: thackney
Inflate a balloon too much and it loudly goes "Pop,"

Build up pressure near Earth's surface and it will "Pop," too, with a shock wave that might circle the Earth several times ... as in the 1883 Krakatoa event.

the following is from Wikipedia:

The pressure wave generated by the colossal final explosion radiated from Krakatoa at 1,086 km/h (675 mph).[3] It was so powerful that it ruptured the eardrums of sailors on ships in the Sunda Strait[4] and caused a spike of more than two and half inches of mercury (ca 85 hPa) in pressure gauges attached to gasometers in the Jakarta gasworks, sending them off the scale.[5] The pressure wave radiated across the globe and was recorded on barographs all over the world, which continued to register it up to 5 days after the explosion. Barograph recordings show that the shockwave from the final explosion reverberated around the globe 7 times in total.[2] Ash was propelled to a height of 80 km (50 mi).<

24 posted on 01/16/2012 7:57:48 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: thackney

Send all those leftist hippies in Oregon up to the top to pour a cup of water in.


25 posted on 01/16/2012 7:58:23 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I maintain that instead of using Water (aka, di-hydrogen monoxide), 1,000,000 times the energy would be created by insertion into the Volcano the world's supply of windmills and solar panels.

Especially political energy.

26 posted on 01/16/2012 7:58:23 AM PST by C210N (Dems: "We must tax you so that we can buy your votes")
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To: thackney
they hope will give a boost to a green energy sector that has yet to live up to its promise.

It's a little early to call something the understatement of the year, however ...

27 posted on 01/16/2012 7:59:28 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: thackney
  What happens when they pump water into the volcano and strike oil? Would the 'green energy sector' know what to do with it?
28 posted on 01/16/2012 8:00:14 AM PST by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: thackney
  What happens when they pump water into the volcano and strike oil? Would the 'green energy sector' know what to do with it?
29 posted on 01/16/2012 8:00:33 AM PST by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: BipolarBob
What could possibly go wrong?

The fun here is to figure out what angle the enviro-wackos will use to protest this. Because if it works, we know they will protest it.

Will it be man-made cooling of their Earth's core? Perhaps the interruption of the Earth's volcanic cycle? Plate tectonics? Destruction of the magnetic field?

Put your money down now.

30 posted on 01/16/2012 8:01:34 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: BipolarBob

I can just see the headlines now...

“Today in Central Oregon, a steam explosion shot a drilling tower into low-Earth orbit. The explosion was seen for several miles and heard in Portland.”


31 posted on 01/16/2012 8:07:05 AM PST by hoagy62 ("Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff."-Frank Zappa)
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To: musicman

And how much energy does it take to pump the water into the volcano? What is the ‘gain’?


32 posted on 01/16/2012 8:08:25 AM PST by DesertSapper (Not part of the solution? Then you're on the wrong forum.)
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To: SampleMan
Will it be man-made cooling of their Earth's core? Perhaps the interruption of the Earth's volcanic cycle? Plate tectonics? Destruction of the magnetic field? Put your money down now.

I'll take "What sounds like a really stupid idea for 500 Alex".

33 posted on 01/16/2012 8:08:39 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: hoagy62

or Seattle...


34 posted on 01/16/2012 8:10:09 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: thackney

Hold my beer ...


35 posted on 01/16/2012 8:19:14 AM PST by Don Carlos (01/20/2009 - Begin the Obama Interregnum)
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To: thackney

I don’t think I have a problem with this.

But I find it hypocritical that an “stimulus” project is called “green” while fracking for oil/gas is not - when both projects are so very similar.

Where is the outrage for the large volume of water that will be required for geothermal?

Where are the people that will be demanding that the heavy metals be removed from the waste stream?

Where are the studies on the additives? Where are the government agencies demanding that the hydroshearing formula be made public?

And by all means, lets give geothermal drilling credit for their thoughtfulness in locating their sites far from population centers, while really sticking it to oil/gas operations in western North Dakota.


36 posted on 01/16/2012 8:19:29 AM PST by kidd
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To: tophat9000

I like it!


37 posted on 01/16/2012 8:20:06 AM PST by kaboom
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To: thackney
24 million gallons of water eh....

just enough to start 24 high productivity fracking oil wells.

38 posted on 01/16/2012 8:30:44 AM PST by spokeshave (Ron Paul finally lit a match after dousing himself with gasoline)
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To: kidd

My only problem with it is the government subsidy.

I believe the fears expressed here are greatly overblown.

But I knew the headline was good for a lot of interest and follow up.


39 posted on 01/16/2012 8:31:50 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: hoagy62
“Today in Central Oregon, a steam explosion shot a drilling tower into low-Earth orbit. The explosion was seen for several miles and heard in Portland Poland.”

FTFY

40 posted on 01/16/2012 8:38:30 AM PST by Eccl 10:2
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To: thackney

Have one already in my backyard, A HEAT PUMP!!!!! Not as efficient though..


41 posted on 01/16/2012 8:43:23 AM PST by Quick Shot
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To: blackdog

Mr boiler mechanic, in easy to understand terms water expands 1700 times when converting to steam. Am I correct ?


42 posted on 01/16/2012 8:45:31 AM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: SampleMan

[ The fun here is to figure out what angle the enviro-wackos will use to protest this. Because if it works, we know they will protest it.

Will it be man-made cooling of their Earth’s core? Perhaps the interruption of the Earth’s volcanic cycle? Plate tectonics? Destruction of the magnetic field?

Put your money down now. ]

Yeah, if this does work the environuts will not like giving the human race more energy....

They will howl with an intensity that will make their current howlings look like a wimper since they are such idiot luddites.


43 posted on 01/16/2012 8:47:00 AM PST by GraceG
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To: SampleMan

[ The fun here is to figure out what angle the enviro-wackos will use to protest this. Because if it works, we know they will protest it.

Will it be man-made cooling of their Earth’s core? Perhaps the interruption of the Earth’s volcanic cycle? Plate tectonics? Destruction of the magnetic field?

Put your money down now. ]

Yeah, if this does work the environuts will not like giving the human race more energy....

They will howl with an intensity that will make their current howlings look like a wimper since they are such idiot luddites.


44 posted on 01/16/2012 8:47:14 AM PST by GraceG
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To: DesertSapper

I’m going to ask for a grant to build a giant funnel over the volcano so as to feed it water without using pumps.
Hope ya’ll support me on this.


45 posted on 01/16/2012 8:55:06 AM PST by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: thackney

I assume there are no fault lines near this experiment?


46 posted on 01/16/2012 8:57:09 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: thackney
I don't think the government should be subsidizing it. If this is such a great idea, get private investors involved.

I'm also not by any stretch of the imagination an engineer. This whole idea sounds a bit scary to me, though. I don't think I'd want to be working on this project, or living near it, at least not at first. What if things don't go as planned, and the steam comes out somewhere other than where they think it will?

47 posted on 01/16/2012 9:01:26 AM PST by susannah59
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To: SunkenCiv
As you may have guessed, it's another one of Zero's harebrained 'green' wastes of taxpayer green. The company should rename itself Volyndra

Actually this is feasible. I do not have a problem with a "research well" to prove or disprove the application. However, if proved feasible, the government needs to stay the hell out of it. If the source can be tapped economically, private enterprise will do it. Otherwise it is just another hole in the ground for Obama to poor money into.

48 posted on 01/16/2012 9:02:14 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Erik Latranyi
I assume there are no fault lines near this experiment?

I doubt any volcano in the world exists without fault lines nearby. Newberry is no exception.

Progression of ages of rhyolitic (silicic) lavas and calderas from McDermitt Caldera to Newberry and Yellowstone calderas (red circles: MC, NC, & YC). Numbers are ages in millions of years. KBML - Klamath—Blue Mountains Lineament, HLP - High Lava Plains, EDZ - Eugene—Denio Zone, BFZ - Brothers Fault Zone, SMF - Steens Mountain Fault, VF - Vale Fault, NNR - North Nevada Rift. White arrow shows direction of North American plate, edge of the craton is approximately along the Oregon—Idaho Border, triangles are Cascades volcanoes,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newberry_Volcano

49 posted on 01/16/2012 9:12:48 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: UB355

Yes, approximately with certain variables.


50 posted on 01/16/2012 9:20:58 AM PST by blackdog (And justice for all.....(Offer not valid in all locations, and prices vary))
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