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ABC interviewed Gingrich ex-wife (She could "end his career")
AP ^ | 01/18/2012 | DAVID BAUDER

Posted on 01/19/2012 6:52:01 AM PST by Responsibility2nd

Edited on 01/19/2012 7:00:13 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

NEW YORK (AP) - An ABC News executive tells The Associated Press that the network has interviewed Newt Gingrich's second wife and is likely to air the segment Thursday on "Nightline."


(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


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To: Responsibility2nd

Marianne is looking at Calista possibly becoming the first lady and fumes that that could have been HER, Dammit!


51 posted on 01/19/2012 7:14:03 AM PST by MNnice
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To: Responsibility2nd

Reports say nothing new in this interview. It’s an ABC hit piece - dredging up decades old material - designed to do one thing - stop the Newtmentum in S.C..


52 posted on 01/19/2012 7:14:35 AM PST by TBBT
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To: silverleaf
Newt has no problem drawing votes from men who vote with their minds.

He has a big problem drawing votes from women who vote with their feelings.

There is no way this will help him. It could very well be his Jack Ryan moment.

53 posted on 01/19/2012 7:14:46 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: CitizenUSA

However, Gingrich has openly repented of his past mistakes and appears to be trying to avoid those same mistakes now. “It would be great if he had never made those mistakes to start with, but the next best thing is to admit them and no longer do them. That is a far, far cry better than never admitting one’s sins, isn’t it?”

The only thing that has slowed Gingrich down is the fact that he’s too old to screw around anymore. Age slowed him down, and only age. His character (or lack thereof) is as it is.


54 posted on 01/19/2012 7:16:28 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Smacks of bitter ex wife dredging up the past in order to hurt her ex-hubby when he’s on the verge of something big.

This could backfire. Big time.


55 posted on 01/19/2012 7:17:02 AM PST by Grunthor (I am a conservative, neither half of the one party represents my views.)
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To: SamAdams76
Newt admits one of the reasons he left this thing is that she didn't have the looks to be a First Lady.
 


He got a divorce for the "Love of Country".

56 posted on 01/19/2012 7:18:18 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

They have to knock Newt back so Romney can get through, because that’s who they really have laid the ambush for. It won’t work, though, so we’re on to Florida.


57 posted on 01/19/2012 7:19:19 AM PST by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Newt's 2nd wife is mad because Newt's 3rd wife did to her, what she did to Newt's 1st wife.

No one cares about this. It's sleazy.

How many Freepers have been divorced? How many have cheated on their wives?

John 8:7

“..........He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”

58 posted on 01/19/2012 7:22:12 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Dudoight
"Who gives a fig about the rantings of an embittered ex wife?"



Unfortunately, a large bloc of voters in SC
59 posted on 01/19/2012 7:22:12 AM PST by John 3_19-21 (A lie told over and over again is still just a lie and the one telling it a liar.)
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To: flaglady47

flaglady47: “The only thing that has slowed Gingrich down is the fact that he’s too old to screw around anymore. Age slowed him down, and only age. His character (or lack thereof) is as it is.”

And you know this how?


60 posted on 01/19/2012 7:22:41 AM PST by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do it. Try good instead!)
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To: massgopguy
Why don’t they get Obama’s old girlfriends out there?/sarc

Supposedly, 0b0z0 playing hoops: Nothin' but net!

Definitely, 0h0m0's love life: Nothin' but boyfriends!

61 posted on 01/19/2012 7:25:08 AM PST by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist)
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To: Just mythoughts

“Could you please give me a credible link that verifies these comments?”

Yes, I can. Below is an excerpt from Marianne Gingrich (wife No. 2) with Esquire Magazine, with a link provided in the middle of the excerpt and at the end:

She sounds proud, defiant, maybe a little wistful. You might be inclined to think of what she says as the lament of an abandoned wife, but that would be a mistake. There is shockingly little bitterness in her, and she often speaks with great kindness of her former husband. She still believes in his politics. She supports the Tea Parties. She still uses the name Marianne Gingrich instead of going back to Ginther, her maiden name.

But there was something strange and needy about him. “He was impressed easily by position, status, money,” she says. “He grew up poor and always wanted to be somebody, to make a difference, to prove himself, you know. He has to be historic to justify his life.”

She says she should have seen the red flags. “He asked me to marry him way too early. And he wasn’t divorced yet. I should have known there was a problem.”

Within weeks or months?

“Within weeks.”

That’s flattering.

She looks skeptical. “It’s not so much a compliment to me. It tells you a little bit about him.”

And he did the same thing to her eighteen years later, with Callista Bisek, the young congressional aide who became his third wife. “I know. I asked him. He’d already asked her to marry him before he asked me for a divorce. Before he even asked.”

He told you that?

“Yeah, he wanted to — “
Read more: http://www.esquire.com/features/newt-gingrich-0910#ixzz1fNcPOKF1

... The next day, Gingrich called Marianne into his office and told her he had come to a decision. He was going to step down as Speaker. And resign from Congress, too, though he had just won another term. Later that week, on a conference call with a few party confidants, Gingrich said, “I’m willing to lead but I’m not willing to preside over people who are cannibals... . Frankly, Marianne and I could use a break.” His political career was over.

In the history books Gingrich loves, exile is a defining moment when a leader’s true strength of character is revealed. But his own behavior just became more erratic in the months after his fall. Some days he was full of bravado, conspiring with Duberstein and Marianne on a five-year plan to restore his reputation and rebuild his power base so he could run for president someday. He even turned down an American Express commercial that would have paid $500,000, Marianne says, because acting in a commercial didn’t have sufficient gravitas for a man of his once and future stature. And he got some good news from the IRS, which said his college course didn’t violate the tax laws after all.

But other days, Gingrich was bleak and hopeless. He was like a “dead weight” at times like that, Marianne says. You just couldn’t get him to move. The contrast reminded her of his mother and her manic depression, and she told him he needed help.

But Marianne was having problems of her own. After going to the doctor for a mysterious tingling in her hand, she was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.

Early in May, she went out to Ohio for her mother’s birthday. A day and a half went by and Newt didn’t return her calls, which was strange. They always talked every day, often ten times a day, so she was frantic by the time he called to say he needed to talk to her.

“About what?”

He wanted to talk in person, he said.

“I said, ‘No, we need to talk now.’ “

He went quiet.

“There’s somebody else, isn’t there?”

She kind of guessed it, of course. Women usually do. But did she know the woman was in her apartment, eating off her plates, sleeping in her bed?

She called a minister they both trusted. He came over to the house the next day and worked with them the whole weekend, but Gingrich just kept saying she was a Jaguar and all he wanted was a Chevrolet. “ ‘I can’t handle a Jaguar right now.’ He said that many times. ‘All I want is a Chevrolet.’ “

He asked her to just tolerate the affair, an offer she refused.

He’d just returned from Erie, Pennsylvania, where he’d given a speech full of high sentiments about compassion and family values.

The next night, they sat talking out on their back patio in Georgia. She said, “How do you give that speech and do what you’re doing?”

“It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”

When they got to court, Gingrich refused to cooperate with basic discovery. Marianne and her lawyer knew from a Washington Post gossip column that Gingrich had bought Bisek a $450 bottle of wine, for example, but he refused to provide receipts or answer any other questions about their relationship.

Then Gingrich made a baffling move. Because Bisek had refused to be deposed by Marianne’s attorney, Newt had his own attorney depose her, after which the attorney held a press conference and announced that she had confessed to a six-year affair with Gingrich. He had also told the press that he and Marianne had an understanding.

“Right,” Marianne says now.

That was not true?

“Of course not. It’s silly.”

Read more: http://www.esquire.com/features/newt-gingrich-0910-8#ixzz1fNaYCRvO


62 posted on 01/19/2012 7:25:08 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I think it will fail because there just aren’t any surprises with Newt! He’s been around long enough and all his dirty laundry has been put out to dry ad nauseum.

It was all a surprise with Cain. He wasn’t what we thought he was and there just wasn’t enough time to “get over it”. I for one am getting quite sick of this mess.


63 posted on 01/19/2012 7:25:54 AM PST by myrabach
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To: faucetman
How many Freepers have been divorced? How many have cheated on their wives?

Not sure but they probably should think twice about going for high office if they have.

64 posted on 01/19/2012 7:26:13 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: CitizenUSA
It would be great if he had never made those mistakes to start with, but the next best thing is to admit them and no longer do them. That is a far, far cry better than never admitting one’s sins, isn’t it?

That all depends on what the meaning of "is", is!

65 posted on 01/19/2012 7:26:18 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I am so happy that Brian Ross for two hours sat down for a two hour interview with Bill Ayers and talked about his relation with 0 bummer back in 2008 - - - Oh wait. Never mind.


66 posted on 01/19/2012 7:28:22 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: ExtremeUnction

As far as we know since Newt has become Catholic and asked God for forgiveness he has kept his vows. I’ll leave his past infidelities up to God. I’m still torn between Newt and Santorum but I will give Newt that benefit of the doubt.


67 posted on 01/19/2012 7:31:18 AM PST by MiddleEarth (With hope or without hope we'll follow the trail of our enemies. Woe to them, if we prove the faster)
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To: Shelayne

“She said the exact same thing in a 1995 Esquire interview.”

The interview with Esquire is a current one. It took place in August of 2010, not in 1995.


68 posted on 01/19/2012 7:34:17 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: silverleaf

This is going to be an epic fail. Who even watches Nightline? I thought it had gone off the air long ago. Everyone will be watching the debate on CNN.

Marianne Gingrich has nothing new to tell on Newt. He cheated on her with a younger woman and she’s still pissed off about it. I think they had been separated for a good length of time before they got divorced. I don’t blame her but its not news. This was 14 or so years ago. If this is the best the left can do Newt is home free.


69 posted on 01/19/2012 7:34:41 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Venturer
I'm tired of this BS that Romney cant beat Obama.

By election day, Obama will own almost half the national debt, 6 trillion dollars, and 8 percent unemployment.

The only thing he will have to show for all that debt is pictures of his Hawaiian vacations.

He will have established two new Islamic nations that vow to destroy us. Egypt and Libya.

Jimmy Carter could beat Obama in 2012.

Walter Mondale could beat Obama in 2012.

Jessy Jackson could beat Obama in 2012.

70 posted on 01/19/2012 7:35:38 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: flaglady47

Romney’s Waterloo is now, he could not wait until the book came out.

Doubting this “ex-wifey” thing will not go anywhere. Hell, who ain’t got a nasty ex-wife????


71 posted on 01/19/2012 7:36:03 AM PST by X-spurt
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To: flaglady47
“It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”
 
 
 
Newt can claim his infidelity is all in the past and God has forgiven him and all that. But this....
 

“It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”

 

 This is a deal breaker. I wonder if Newt still feels that way.


72 posted on 01/19/2012 7:36:12 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Vigilanteman

“He has a big problem drawing votes from women who vote with their feelings.”

You have to remember the judgement of women can run both ways. This is not a young, attractive victim. This is an old, ugly bitter adulteress. She has held bitter interview after bitter interview and this is just another. It’s going to be *very* hard to pass Marianne Gingrich off as a victim to women, especially since she was the “other woman” in the highly fictionalized hospital-bed divorce.


73 posted on 01/19/2012 7:37:23 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: Servant of the Cross

PBS is going to do its own show on Clinton February 20, 2012.

I’ll bet this will end his career and money making opportunities. Some of the guests will be: Juanita Broaddrick; Genneifer Flowers; Elizabeth Gracen; Sally Perdue; Kathleen Willey; Paula Jones; Linda Tripp, Monica Lewinsky, Osama bin Laden/S

Program: American Experience Episode: Clinton Behind the Scenes (and Under the Covers :))


74 posted on 01/19/2012 7:37:49 AM PST by BilLies ( (ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hates your Traditional American guts!))
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To: Responsibility2nd
Reportedly he wanted and "open marriage"...similar to Warren Buffetts LOL. Big Whoop

Obama Shares Reggie Love with his Wookie.

75 posted on 01/19/2012 7:38:06 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I think they had been separated for a good length of time before they got divorced.

That is factually untrue. See my post No. 62 above, and go to the original Esquire interview article link contained in No. 62 for all of the gory details. You will be shocked about your boy Newt and what a basic scumball he was with women. How any woman could defend his behavior is beyond me.


76 posted on 01/19/2012 7:38:40 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
The reason it will fail is everybody knows Newt is divorced from this woman, and she has been harping on him publicly since the divorce. Where Cain was concerned no one knew about the bimbos, and they were not what one expected given Cain's public persona.
77 posted on 01/19/2012 7:39:36 AM PST by cbvanb
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To: Responsibility2nd; All

Hey look, Drudge has ANOTHER siren going about the exact same thing. Looks like Drudge is totally out to bring Newt down.


78 posted on 01/19/2012 7:40:53 AM PST by MiddleEarth (With hope or without hope we'll follow the trail of our enemies. Woe to them, if we prove the faster)
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To: cbvanb

Same with Clinton, everybody knew Clinton was a sleazeball going in. Even during the 92 campaign, there were constant jokes about it, nobody cared.


79 posted on 01/19/2012 7:41:22 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: BilLies

You’ve got to admit — a Ginrich Presidency would be FAR more interesting than a Romney one.


80 posted on 01/19/2012 7:41:22 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: Servant of the Cross

If this was a Democrat, this would never see the light of day. Larry Sinclair? Hello.


I keep hearing his name biut know nothing about him. What does he have on Obama and can he provide proof. Maybe Newt vould bring it up when they ask him about his x. Would get the word out on obamas dirt the left is helping him hide.


81 posted on 01/19/2012 7:42:36 AM PST by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: flaglady47

And what changed between the 95 interview and the 2010 interview? Only ONE thing I can see.


82 posted on 01/19/2012 7:42:38 AM PST by X-spurt
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To: MiddleEarth

Yep. You might think Perry dropping out is THE breaking story.

Nope.

Bash Newt with bitter ex wife news apparently trumps everything.


83 posted on 01/19/2012 7:43:47 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: juliej

Just like Barrack and Michelle Obama, Rev Wright, Rev Sharpton, Rev Jackson. Wall Street Occupiers, Bill Maher.... 90% of the Negros in this country, Government Workers.....got it!!


84 posted on 01/19/2012 7:43:48 AM PST by BilLies ( (ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hates your Traditional American guts!))
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To: flaglady47
So this woman marries a man she carried on an affair with while he was still married? It really seems strange to read one side of a marital dispute as though there is only one offending party.

AND for that reason I find her less than credible. Because from where I sit Newt led the country to a Republican controlled Congress after 40 years of wandering in a liberal wilderness.

I read NO shame on her part of participating in the adultery upon wife number 1. AND the manner in which she speaks of him attempts to make herself a victim of which I see NO grounds. And she is offended when it is she that got offended. I hope Newt does not respond.

Now having said the above, I have my own issues with Newt. Him preening on that couch with Nanny the RED PEWlouise and for him spouting that the era of Reagan was over as if liberalism had won still bounces off like electric charges in my head.

But Marianne would have better served herself had she kept her peace.

85 posted on 01/19/2012 7:44:14 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: MiddleEarth

Maybe some Bain - Drudge connection?


86 posted on 01/19/2012 7:45:06 AM PST by X-spurt
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To: JimRed

Newt professes to be a Christian, and he expresses regret for his past adulteries. To say a person can’t change is to deny the power of God, plus it goes against what I have witnessed myself. I have personally seen people change, even very old sinners. It does happen. As far as I’m concerned, Newt’s past adulteries are between him and God. As you pointed out, he hasn’t denied his sins unlike some other politicians we know.


87 posted on 01/19/2012 7:45:18 AM PST by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do it. Try good instead!)
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To: Vigilanteman

Yes, adultery is all about feelings, isn’t it?


88 posted on 01/19/2012 7:45:24 AM PST by hocndoc (WingRight.org: Have mustard seed & I'm not afraid to use it. 2 men inherited a Bush economy.)
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To: Responsibility2nd; All

Newt’s daughters doing an informal event in Bluffton, SC now on cspan. Both spoke and are now talking to people and answering questions.


89 posted on 01/19/2012 7:46:20 AM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: myrabach

Because of the timing of this story, (she’s always been rightfully angry at NG), and because of the INTENT of this news, (to diminish NG’s political chances in SC and Florida), I have decided for certain to vote for Gingrich - and not Santorum - this Saturday morning, God willing.

BTW, doesn’t Romney’s machine know how the poorly the robocalls from himself and others in his name such as New Jersey’s Chris Christie...doesn’t HE understand he’s only increasing SC Conservatives’ resolve against him? I hope not.

Pray for a reasonably accurate primary vote count this Saturday in SC. Thanks.


90 posted on 01/19/2012 7:49:43 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: silverleaf

“with a bunny boiler.”

Good one. Newt probably could do a number on her reputation as well.


91 posted on 01/19/2012 7:50:38 AM PST by No Socialist
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To: Responsibility2nd
The strategy of the left has been obvious: Don't wait for the general election. Instead, destroy the Republicans during the primary season. Each time a given candidate begins to emerge as the front runner, the liberal attack machine focuses on that person. Once that candidate has been sufficiently damaged, the attention then shifts to whoever seems to be gaining in the polls, and that person now becomes the target. This way, no matter who the eventual nominee is, there will have already been significant negative publicity out there before the candidate gets out of the starting gate.
92 posted on 01/19/2012 7:50:54 AM PST by GreenHornet
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To: dfwgator
Same with Clinton, everybody knew Clinton was a sleazeball going in.

Newt is a scumbag, he's the epitome of Washington establishment corruption and RINOism -

and FReepers get upset when the media runs a story on what everyone already knows?

I guess they just want to turn a blind eye to the sad pathetic truth of Newt Gingrich, because if they really looked they would not like what they saw, and they'd rather live in

Bizarro world.

93 posted on 01/19/2012 7:51:15 AM PST by Crichton
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To: Responsibility2nd

“It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”

++++++++++++

I’m wondering the same thing.


94 posted on 01/19/2012 7:52:44 AM PST by stillafreemind
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To: Responsibility2nd
..if this interview had been driven by a deep longing to save the Republic by stopping the candidacy of a perverse maniac, it should have been done 30 seconds after he announced.

I wasn't there, but Marianne Gingrich sounds like she is striking back in vengeance--no high motives here IMO...

95 posted on 01/19/2012 7:52:44 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
With Herman Cain, it was all NEW news. With Newt, it is all OLD news.

Additionally, I think Herman would have still beat it, if he stayed in the race. He chose not to fight if further (for his family) and Newt WILL fight this to the end.

96 posted on 01/19/2012 7:53:44 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Crichton
I guess they just want to turn a blind eye to the sad pathetic truth of Newt Gingrich, because if they really looked they would not like what they saw, and they'd rather live in Bizarro world.

The whole GOP field sucks...it just boils down to the one that sucks the least.....and that would seem to be Newt. Although I probably would vote for Santorum over Newt as of now.

97 posted on 01/19/2012 7:54:11 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”

++++++++++++

I’m wondering the same thing.


98 posted on 01/19/2012 7:54:11 AM PST by stillafreemind
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To: juliej
The words “bitter ex wife” are very telling. People are bitter because they have been wronged.

Some people are bitter because they can't get what they want, with "being wronged" having nothing to do with it (except in their minds). The simple fact is that bitter wife #2 fooled around with Newt when he was married to wife #1, and she's bitter because Newt fooled around with wife #3 while married to her. Sounds a lot like "what goes around, comes around" to me.

That all said, we are not having primaries to determine who is the most moral person in the country, merely who is the best person to be the Presidential nominee for one of the parties. My personal view is that Newt, with all of his faults (many self-admitted, showing that he at least has some humility, unlike the certain nominee of the other party), is the best person to oppose Obama. He while figuratively tear Obama apart in debates, and if the pResident fails to agree to debates then Newt will tear him apart for being a wimpy little chicken. Newt has a vision about where we've been and where we should be going that he can actually explain - unlike many past Republican nominees, unlike a couple of his opponents and very much unlike the pResident. Romney will be savaged, and will respond in the same way that McCain did, and that he himself did on Tuesday night - like a deer in the headlights. Romney might well be a supremely effective administrator, but he's no leader. Gingrich is a leader, and this country is starved for leadership from someone who shares traditional American values. I like Santorum a lot, but wish he'd follow Perry's (almost certain at this point) lead and remove himself gracefully from the race and endorse Newt - both in the interest of the Party and of the entire country, seeing as how we MUST, MUST, MUST defeat Obama.

99 posted on 01/19/2012 7:55:27 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: juliej
The words “bitter ex wife” are very telling. People are bitter because they have been wronged.

Everyone has had bad things happen to them in life. Everyone has been wronged by somebody else, some worse than others or maybe more publicly than others, but to the individual it's still a wrong. People are bitter because they choose to allow the bad things that happened to consume them and destroy their opportunity for healing. If she's bitter, it's her fault, not Newt's. People don't have to be defined by the bad things that happen to them. If they are, it's because they choose to be.

100 posted on 01/19/2012 7:57:20 AM PST by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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