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SC Primary - - Live Thread
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Posted on 01/21/2012 6:43:43 AM PST by tomkat

It's 0930 EST and there's nothing in the sidebar that looks like a live thread for the SC primary . . .


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: gingrich; newt; noobama; paul; romney; santorum; scprimary; southcarolina
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To: wolfman23601

Rubio could swing FLa. for Newt by endorsing him but I doubt that’s in the cards. Marco is already Presidential,hopeful he will make a run at it one day.


2,381 posted on 01/22/2012 4:55:31 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: JediJones
No one explained Bain Capital and how it worked in the early days better than you did! Thanks for doing that."Those who think" picked up on it immediately.

You actually give a better explanation of Bain and just how predatory it was than the candidates.If you could redo that post I saw a few days ago, frequently, it would go along way to explain to others just how Bain borrowed money in small companies name, looted the money inthe form of dividends and then watched them struggle to pay it back many going broke in the process. Great job once again.

2,382 posted on 01/22/2012 5:02:14 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: jeltz25
FL is the key. Its 50 delegates will give Newt the cushion he needs to absorb NV, CO, MI, AZ and make it to Super Tuesday. really, if Romney loses by 10+ in FL he’s done anyway. none of the other states matter after that.

If Santorum loses as badly in Florida as he did in SC, the only thing keeping him in would be a subsidy from Mitt to keep him in so as to split the conservative vote. Mitt is unpopular among conservatives.

All Newt needs is for Santorum's social conservative base to decide that Newt may not be perfect, but he's the most conservative guy able to beat Obama. At that point Mitt is finished.

2,383 posted on 01/22/2012 5:07:36 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: JediJones; All

Wow huge comment just now from Charles Bierbauer on C-Spam almost 25% of voter yesterday in SC were indys and they went for Newt!! That huge when you think about it.


2,384 posted on 01/22/2012 5:10:05 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: matthew fuller; JediJones; All
Marco was a rockstar in the House of Fla. He led the House and was a great leader.the dems hate him. He than had a super tough race against metro Charlie Crisp(crist) who pulled out all the stops and even quit the party. Glad to seem metro Charlie go as well.

I had the pleasure of meeting Marco in Sept. Shook his hand got a photo the whole bit.

I doubt he will entertain running for potus for a while. He wants experience as a US senator he has made that pretty clear numerous times.

HE is a charismatic speaker and his counter Sarah,if the two are ever together on the same stage the electricity generated could power a million homes.

2,385 posted on 01/22/2012 5:16:44 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: EDINVA
Like everyone else, CBC is projecting Newt as winner, and showing him with SC’s 17 delegates. So, it’s ‘winner take all’ and in one primary, Newt pulls ahead in the delegate count?

I'm confused. CBS says SC has 25 delegates, and Newt won 17. What's the story with the last 8 delegates?

2,386 posted on 01/22/2012 5:18:43 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Finny
Thinking about your comment put me in mind of Benjamin Netanyahu. One of the things I love about Netanyahu is that it comes across loud and clear that Netanyahu doesn't give a particular damn one way or another if he's liked or not -- he knows that the "mother's milk" of what he does is having the respect of those he has to deal with: if they happen to like him, great, but if they don't, that's their problem. I hadn't realized it until your post -- that's the same quality I've seen coming out in Newt lately.

That's what's selling me on Newt. When asked by a gay activist about the gay vote, Newt said that gay voters who were concerned about the economy and national security should vote for him. When the guy persisted about what about gay voters who thought that gay marriage was the most important issue, Newt without hesitation said they should vote for Obama.

Newt's attitude, correctly, was "I'm not going to alienate my base in order to pander to your issue".

2,387 posted on 01/22/2012 5:28:51 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: wolfman23601
I honestly think Rand Paul will be the perfect running mate. The election is likely to be decided by Paul’s 10-15%

I would like to see that. Rand is libertarian, but not as extreme as his dad. Having Rand run would eliminate any chance of a Ron Paul Libertarian Party siphoning crucial votes away.

2,388 posted on 01/22/2012 5:44:13 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: EDINVA

I probably should have used “suspicion” instead of “evidence”. it seems to have been pretty well known late ‘90s/early ‘00s. Clinton body and so forth. I believe the total topped 100 with Iris Chang. “Don” Clinton.


2,389 posted on 01/22/2012 5:49:09 AM PST by j.argese (Newt ... the Nixon of our time ...)
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To: JediJones
I heard somewhere in the news someone claim that HALF of all Floridians had already voted through early voting. Is that possible? Anyone know what percentage of votes came through early voting in FL before?

Less than 10% have already voted.

Florida early voting started yesterday statewide:

According to the Florida GOP, more than 185,000 Republicans have already cast their votes via absentee ballot. And around 12,000 more Republicans have participated in early voting in the five counties where polling opened last week. (Those counties are not subject to a new law shortening the number of early voting days across the state. There are 67 counties total in Florida.)

Given those numbers, party officials are speculating that 2012 could mark a record year for participation in the country's first closed primary. About 1.9 million Republicans voted in the contest in 2008. There are about 4.1 million registered Republican voters statewide.


2,390 posted on 01/22/2012 5:56:49 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: JediJones

Being here, where our big 4 accountancy firms practice a form of vulture capitalism that makes Bain look like the church giving alms, I can agree.
(They audit a company, send it into receivership - we don’t have a chapter 11 provision - then strip it bare with fees while winding it up).
It was a strong and effective attack, and pressure should be kept up on Romney to disclose his tax returns. The Cayman Islands thing is going to sink him far worse than attacks that can be (and will be) characterised as left wing and anti capitalist. (I had that exact comment made to me on a thread I posted this morning)

But, time to change tack for Newt now and hit Romney on Romneycare. That has run long enough to actually have measurable costs associated with it, and is a good warm up for slapping the dems hard. Newt is more than capable of sticking it to Romney while cutting Obama at the same time!

Maybe give him a good belt on 2nd ammendment too, though I’d do that more for the primaries in the more rural states. It won’t fly in the cities - you know how polarizing guns are there, and with some cities I really don’t blame people.

Abortion, well, Newt may have a small problem as it is a moral issue and he has a little perceived problem with morality. Thanks to the tireless work of posters on here, we know the truth - but the average voter does not and, unless the MSM does the unthinkable and tells the truth, will not.

Newt still makes me slightly nervous, I admit. Unless I missed a ping his stance on foreign policy, which is the biggie that affects me, is largely unknown. He will make a strong president for the USA. That I firmly believe now. Just, no country exists in a vacuum any more, and we are kind of curious as to what we can expect.


2,391 posted on 01/22/2012 6:06:55 AM PST by EnglishCon
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To: EnglishCon
Nice reasoned post..that is sort of where I am at with Newt.Here is my current concerns.

The "prize" is going to the highest bidder. They are buying the top seat in DC these days and it ain't pretty.

Right now Obama has the most money, that is a fact.

If the people do not get completely behind one candidate and flood him with money right now, Obama will win. Unfair, wrong, despicable...you bet..but reality.

We, the people, need to pick one guy..now, before Florida or forever hold your peace. If it goes to convention..the evil foreign wallets will come out from every rat hole on the planet all at once and the professional financiers will be ready with their ready made banks and promotional markets to collect...and we know who has those connections...slippery Romney.

2,392 posted on 01/22/2012 6:12:37 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: bondserv
Was talking to friend and my son this week. Seems not only the two of them but many of their friends and relatives are of the belief that if you have enough money to run you are corrupt. Any hint or possibility of corruption turns these independent minded people away from a candidate.

The fact that Willard repeatedly said he “left” Bain in 1999 and then we find out that he is still making over fifteen and a half million dollars per year (it all depends on what left means) just reinforces this concept.

He should have been upfront and honest. I'm wealthy, getting wealthier, because of my initial investment. Good for him, no problem.
As far as the “vulture” capitalism goes, don't think he can explain it away. the American people know the difference and know it is NOT the American way of capitalism: it is a manipulation. (Too many business degree and CPAs out there) It may not matter in a good economy, but when a person manipulates to earn more when his fellow citizens are hurting it matters.

2,393 posted on 01/22/2012 6:20:21 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: Earthdweller

Obama also has the advantage of being incumbent. Not having to pre-campaign and having the actual power is a giantic asset that should not be overlooked. If he does do what various rumors have been saying and shed Biden for Hillary, it is going to turn into one huge and nasty fight.
I know Hillary is not exactly popular around here, but she is smart and very capable, and Bill C is no slouch at motivating the base either. I’ll not lose a war by believing the propaganda that Dems are dumb. If they were dumb, they could not be so effective.

I totally agree about gathering around one candidate - not just with money but with feet on the street, manning the phones and doing the thousand thankless tasks it takes to get a person elected.
It seems to be Newt.
I am not going to disrespect Santorum supporters by saying bail and support Newt - it is obvious from my posts that Newt is second string for me after Perry, and everyone has the right to be attached to their choice of candidate. Yet I will do whatever I can. Have already offered my small services to Newt’s campaign, as I am forbidden from donating.

Looking at it rationally, I think Santorum can stick in at least until Florida, though beyond, if he loses badly in Fl, would be a tactical error.
Yes, he is going to attack Newt. He has no chance at all of picking up much of Romney’s or Paul’s support, so he has to hit the person he is closest to.
Like the Bain attacks on Romney, any attack Santorum does on Newt will have to be the same sort of attack the Dems will pull in the election. It might be helpful to Newt for stuff to be “old news” by September/October.

Just spitballing some thoughts!


2,394 posted on 01/22/2012 6:48:23 AM PST by EnglishCon
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To: PapaBear3625

“I would like to see that. Rand is libertarian, but not as extreme as his dad. Having Rand run would eliminate any chance of a Ron Paul Libertarian Party siphoning crucial votes away.”

Or the chance of his support voting for Obama again, like they did in 2008.


2,395 posted on 01/22/2012 7:43:20 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: EDINVA

We need Kasich here in Ohio. Although I agree he’d be a great Veep~

Alan West also comes to mind. It’ll be interesting who gets the Veep pick.


2,396 posted on 01/22/2012 8:02:46 AM PST by simplesimon (" God doesn't call the qualifed , He qualifes the CALLED! ".. FReeper TomasUSMC...)
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To: EDINVA

“BUT he does that in his everyday conversation, never did it legislatively”

That is exactly right. Look at what Newt has actually done. Legislatively it is very Conservative. A lot of people miss your point including Glenn Beck who has cherry picked what Newt has said over the many years and twisted it to support his views. Glenn is going to go down in flames if he has not already.


2,397 posted on 01/22/2012 10:07:19 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: PapaBear3625

“What’s the story with the last 8 delegates?”

I think I read you also get two delegates for each county won. So Mitt must be ahead in 4 counties. That might change with the final results.


2,398 posted on 01/22/2012 10:11:04 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Parley Baer
Delegate count has been updated. NY Times has Newt now having 23 of the 25 delegates (2 still unallocated), putting him in the lead on delegates versus Mitt's 19.
2,399 posted on 01/22/2012 10:30:43 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: PapaBear3625

“Delegate count has been updated. NY Times has Newt now having 23 of the 25 delegates (2 still unallocated), putting him in the lead on delegates versus Mitt’s “

Thank You. That is excellent new and makes my day. GO NEWT GO!


2,400 posted on 01/22/2012 10:41:55 AM PST by Parley Baer
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