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Penn State's Joe Paterno is gravely ill and nearing death, as his family rushes to his side
Pennlive.com ^ | 1-20-2012

Posted on 01/21/2012 3:58:56 PM PST by Dysart

Legendary former Penn State football coach Joe Paterno is gravely ill and his family is rushing to State College to be by his side, his family has confirmed

According to Onward State, Paterno was taken off of a respirator earlier today. However, the Paterno family has not confirmed that report.

Facebook and Twitter are flooded with students and fans saying that they are praying for Joe and for the Paterno family.

“Over the last few days Joe Paterno has experienced further health complications,” spokesman Dan McGinn said in a brief statement Saturday to The Associated Press. “His doctors have now characterized his status as serious."

“His family will have no comment on the situation and asks that their privacy be respected during this difficult time,” he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at pennlive.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: enabler; facilitator; homosexualagenda; joepa; joepaterno; moralabsolutes; paterno; pedostate; pennstate; pennsylvania; sinsofomission
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To: surroundedbyblue

Thank you.


101 posted on 01/21/2012 6:35:15 PM PST by narses
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To: mom4kittys

Realistically, there isn’t much he could’ve done. He could have encouraged the actual witness to follow up with police (which he may have done - we don’t know). We know that he got the witness together with the police commissioner. We don’t know what happened after that.

Reasonable people (read: *not* most of his critics in this thread) wanted him to “follow up” more than he did. There might be some merit to that. I don’t know. It’s very difficult to say what you should or shouldn’t do if you aren’t a witness. Paterno had no idea what actually happened. He did exactly what he was *legally* supposed to do.


102 posted on 01/21/2012 6:35:21 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: Admin Moderator
Also first announced on PSU Twitter feed
103 posted on 01/21/2012 6:36:13 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: sten

If the reports are true (conflicting information is coming out now), then I too will raise a glass to him. I believe he did what he felt was right, and the details of that are going to be between him and the Good Lord.

Remember also that Paterno was not a “media friendly” coach, and they held that against him for years.


104 posted on 01/21/2012 6:37:52 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: Lurker

Indeed. May Our Lord be with you all the days of your life.


105 posted on 01/21/2012 6:37:55 PM PST by narses
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To: flintsilver7

That is what I thougt—thanks


106 posted on 01/21/2012 6:40:55 PM PST by mom4kittys (See you in another life, brotha)
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To: momtothree

I agree - a wise lady.

We all will have to account for something in the end.


107 posted on 01/21/2012 6:41:03 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: narses

And you as well.


108 posted on 01/21/2012 6:41:19 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: sten
actually, he’s always been a staunch conservative ... that’s all you need to know. after that, 94% of the media (vote democrat) will vilify him whenever they can.

i’m going out to have a drink to JoePa and remember PSU.

i despise/detest the country that has evolved since then (the 80s)


Agree. They killed him and the worst is Graham Spanier still has a high salary position there. The coverup was to protect the Board and Spanier at the expense of Joe Paterno. All anyone has to do is a bit of investigation of Spanier's background to find the links to the cultural rot.

Rest in peace Joe Paterno.
109 posted on 01/21/2012 6:42:16 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: PA Engineer

I’m getting a “that page does not exist” message.


110 posted on 01/21/2012 6:42:56 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: sten
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111 posted on 01/21/2012 6:43:45 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: Scotswife
You are correct. They have pulled the report.

Reports of Joe Paterno's death refuted by family.
112 posted on 01/21/2012 6:52:31 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Lurker
I've not the one who allowed a monstrous pedophile to remain on his staff for decades.

That honor (if you will) goes to Spanier and the Trustees who granted Sandusky Emeritus status and gave him the keys to the locker room. After that happened, Paterno told Sandusky he would never allow Sandusky to become head coach at Penn State.

113 posted on 01/21/2012 6:54:23 PM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: skeeter

All he had was secondhand information—he wasn’t a witness himself.


114 posted on 01/21/2012 7:06:00 PM PST by mom4kittys (See you in another life, brotha)
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To: Lurker

This thread is amazing and I am only on the 17th comment.

Too bad the old man is departing without telling everything he knows about Sandusky and who else was involved.


115 posted on 01/21/2012 7:30:13 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: Essie

The man lead a long and good life. The comments made bye the self righteous, sanctimonious people here are nauseating.


Self righteous because we didn’t enable a serial pedophile the way he did? Is that what you mean?


116 posted on 01/21/2012 7:48:26 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: narses; Lurker

Not to butt in the conversation, but there’s a big difference between say cheating or feeling lust in the heart, or even a divorce or cheating incident, and enabling a serial pedophile.


117 posted on 01/21/2012 7:51:51 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: NittanyLion

To bad justice towards pedophiles and mercy towards little boys weren’t important parts of his life.


118 posted on 01/21/2012 7:54:13 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: mom4kittys
Because he was not just the coach.

Paterno was on the governing board of The Second Mile, which is the charity from.which the children were obtained. When it came about that the campus police did not perform an investigation into the incidents being reported ... He should either have gone to the city police or resigned from the board. Most freepers are focusing solely on the incident witnessed by the assistant coach. That doesn't fly, there was the janitor reported incident as well.

There is zero plausible deniability for Joe.
A lot of the football pagans do not require plausability.

119 posted on 01/21/2012 7:59:44 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

It sounds as if Paterno reported the incident according to the existing rules and regs >>

most states have laws where you must report any threat of child abuse to the police or child services if not you will be charged with a crime if you do not. I don’t know about PA.


120 posted on 01/21/2012 8:54:17 PM PST by Coleus (John 3:16, John 6:53–58,)
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To: Defiant

Dang, wiki says he lasted a month, had a heart attack.


121 posted on 01/21/2012 9:38:09 PM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: Coleus
most states have laws where you must report any threat of child abuse to the police or child services if not you will be charged with a crime if you do not. I don’t know about PA.

That obligation in many states can usually be satisfied with an anonymous call to the CPS authorities. They do record date and time as well as nature and specifics you give them. I would consider this the safest way thus protecting self and family. The CPS or whoever screen the calls and determine if they even want to go and investigate or not. A call to the authorities is not any gaurantee you will ever be taken serious.

Some Freepers have the notion that if you learn of abuse the Perp is automatically charged, locked up, and that's the end of it. That is not how it works. One consideration is the victim. Can the victim withstand giving testimony not once but many times as in appeal after appeal? Will the victim be too scared or intimidated? Will the victim be accurate each time. Then GOD help the witnesses who do come forward trying too help put a perp away because those persons lives are also fixing to be made hell by the defense.

You do not go into a court room and tell what you know or even what you want too say. Nor for that matter will you be allowed too tell the whole truth. You go on the stand and you will be allowed too tell only very narrow portions of what you know and are allowed too tell. While doing so the defense lawyer will try too twist what you say, make you look like a fool, liar, doing perjury, or say you have a dislike for the perp, you name it they can do it. This treatment is the same if you are a witness, a therapist working with the victim, or a private citizen trying too help the child. You loose your temper {the whole intent of the defense questioning} and you can face going too jail yourself for contempt of court.

The responsibility in this case should have been on the A.D. and the campus security shoulders to handle and see through. That is their job. In this case was the campus police actual state LEO's as they are in some states? You can not testify in court on hearsay either. If Joe didn't see the offenses himself there is little he could have done except tell his boss.

Now for the political realities of it. You have a university of which most are liberal ran. You even have college professors in certain fields even pushing for perverted relationships between perps and innocent kids as being normal. You have clubs on campus for gay and lesbian this and that. The Athletic Department generally does not produce the ones who run the university. IOW as far as the chain of command or who was in charge Joe was low man on the Totem Pole as too the ones the AD should have notified.

Had Joe went around saying hey this creep takes showers with naked little boys {an act he did not actually see but was only told about} Joe could have been sued for slander or defamation of character. Do you think the victim would have testified? What about the witness who did see it fearing hey perp can sue me also? Keep in mind that is civil court.

The AD and campus security and legal department with the knowledge given them by the coach it should have been their place to have handled this entire issue including investigations, depositions, procicution, and in the mean time obtaining restraining orders.

122 posted on 01/21/2012 9:45:51 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: ExCTCitizen
WTF??!!
123 posted on 01/21/2012 10:21:50 PM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: henkster
"When he was fired I told my son he would be dead in six months. To have the coaching taken away from him the way it was, I knew it would kill him."

Sadly, being 85 and having lung cancer are putting the odds against him as well.

124 posted on 01/22/2012 2:51:17 AM PST by Mila
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks for the sanctimony. Don’t know what we’d do without you.


125 posted on 01/22/2012 4:52:07 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: lightman
Much to my chagrin, I find that I may be a victim of media spin. The disappearance you mentioned was familiar but went nowhere in the media so I forgot about it.

Keep on this, it seems our opinions are being shaped for us yet again.

126 posted on 01/22/2012 6:06:30 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Typed using <FONT STYLE=SARCASM> unless otherwise noted)
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To: NittanyLion

Sanctimony, just did a search for exact definition:

Feigned piety or righteousness; hypocritical devoutness or high-mindedness.

affected or hypocritical holiness

So you think I’m also a pedophile enabler like Paterno, just pretending that I’m not?


127 posted on 01/22/2012 9:49:43 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: little jeremiah
Sad too say I think some Freepers have a real misguided idea on just how reporting perps works. The responsibility to investigate was the job of the AD to get campus police who BTW were if I read right state LEO to investigate. Both were told and Joe's legal obligation was done.

Just because you tell someone something including an LEO or child protection service that does not mean you will ever see results. JOE WAS NOT THE WITNESS. His work meant spit on the matter in a court of law because he was not the witness. He was made a scapegoat for those who should have acted and it was in fact their job to investigate. Believe me you can not make people who investigate and prosecute these cases do their job. Nor do they even have too investigate fully what you tell them.

128 posted on 01/22/2012 10:45:31 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

Someone with a functioning moral compass who knows there is a serial homosexual pedophile plying his perversion will keep going to higher authorities until something is done. If nothing can be done, such a person with a functioning moral compass will get the hell out of the company/organization/business and leave.

Not stay to protect career/ambitions etc and tolerate seeing the serial homosexual pedophile knowing that more boys are being victimized. Paterno could have done more. He did little and more and more boys were ruined.

I don’t care if he wasn’t a witness, he heard from a witness. He knew what was going on and he did his little duty and then kept on being an enabler.


129 posted on 01/22/2012 11:48:14 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: little jeremiah

No - I think you’re a self righteous asshole.


130 posted on 01/22/2012 2:02:34 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion

Self righteous definitions:

1. Piously sure of one’s own righteousness; moralistic.
2. Exhibiting pious self-assurance: self-righteous remarks.

convinced of one’s own righteousness especially in contrast with the actions and beliefs of others : narrow-mindedly moralistic

So I should fake it that I too have remained silent knowing a serial homosexual pedophile was raping boys, just like Paterno did?

In your mind I am obvious a much more evil human being than Paterno, who actually facilitated boys getting raped. Odd world you live in, in your mind.


131 posted on 01/22/2012 2:41:01 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: little jeremiah
Ok then see if you can guess which one I an in the first three paragraphs of post 122? Most Freepers have never been through the legalities of an abuse case and tried to get an abused kid help. Things do not work the way you assume they do. Nor can everyday persons get investigations done you think they can.

Accusations are usually vetted as to being legitimate, rumors, crank calls, whatever, before even being investigated IF THEY GET INVESTIGATED AT ALL. That was told me from an agency investigating these type of matters. Joe told his boss and the campus POLICE was told. Joe too that extend did more than even the law required. THEY whom he told and not Joe were fully responsible for getting perp off campus and doing the investigations. That is why universities have those positions. It was THE ACTUAL WITNESSES legal obligation too notify LEO that is just common sense. Even they may not be taken serious. In the case of Joe you can not report hearsay {third party accusations} and seriouslly expect any results. Yes it stinks but that is the reality.

132 posted on 01/22/2012 3:05:59 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

Paterno was told a lot worse act than just that Sandusky was “showering” with a boy.

The point I am making is that someone who cared more about the victims than about career, position, money, reputation, honor and so on would have done more. And if they still failed, they would leave. They would not be able to live with their conscience knowing that little boys were still being raped.


133 posted on 01/22/2012 3:31:49 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: cva66snipe

And the legal system stinks, and especially there. But no moral person could have stayed knowing what was going on. Yes, it would be a huge sacrifice. But life is full of tests, and Paterno failed some major tests. Of course the perp/s failed much worse.


134 posted on 01/22/2012 3:34:01 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: little jeremiah
Then let me be much more clear. The man is dead. Dead. You could have stayed clear of this thread. You could have come here and posted something to the effect that you hoped he made his peace with God prior to today, or that his legacy will be mixed and that's a damn shame.

But instead you came here posting purely negative comments. Either you were looking for an argument, or you have a compulsive need to position yourself as better than others. Sanctimonious? Self righteous? Perhaps people's mileage will vary on your actions. But are your comments those of an insensitive asshole? Unquestionably.

135 posted on 01/22/2012 3:44:10 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion

Dying makes saints out of people? Do tell.

So I am an asshole, but you’re a prince among men. Got it.


136 posted on 01/22/2012 3:47:57 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: little jeremiah
Dying makes saints out of people? Do tell.

Did I claim that? Didn't think so, although you seem awfully good at building strawmen. Perhaps logic isn't your strong suit.

Regardless, most people have the social grace to refrain from negative comments before the body's cold. Not you, though. Says a lot about you, actually.

So I am an asshole, but you’re a prince among men. Got it.

Hey, I never claimed any supremacy. But at least you're half right in that statement.

137 posted on 01/22/2012 4:02:12 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: little jeremiah
And the point I am making is this

While doing so the defense lawyer will try too twist what you say, make you look like a fool, liar, doing perjury, or say you have a dislike for the perp, you name it they can do it. This treatment is the same if you are a witness, a therapist working with the victim, or a private citizen trying too help the child. You loose your temper {the whole intent of the defense questioning} and you can face going too jail yourself for contempt of court.

If Joe had witnessed an act himself and not acted too the fullest extent of his abilities then yes he had major legal and moral issues if that were the case. Many work places have many rumors going around about others. 99% are usually false and started by spite or just trashy garbage gossip.

Sandusky should have also been under tight scrutiny as a foster parent. In most states that means required home visits from the state agency in charge of foster care. It also means extensive back ground check. So how did he get by that? What were they doing? Believe me they have the authority if they so desire to remove any foster kid from a foster home for something as simple as the foster parent not kissing an abusers royal behind if say the abuser is also a parent of the victims.

I've spent the time in court too see what really goes on. I've seen a detective so angry he walked out of court after getting in a verbal argument with a defense lawyer before court started in the case I was involved in.

I was put in a position I can't really talk about any specifics where I was trying to stop abuse and prevent the parents from ever again obtaining custody. Guilt was not even an issue as it was admitted. I was a foster parent and I know how the system works. I know it too the point of Contempt Of Court for trying to help the kids. In the case I was involved I was also witness too some of the abuses. Before the case was over and done after several appeals I was made out to be worse than the perps because I verbally lit into an attorney and a parent while on the stand. And in the case I was involved in the kids went back home.

IOW had Joe went where you wanted him too all you would be seeing would be headlines about coach Joe fired for perjury. You would not have ever heard Joe's side nor would he have been allowed too talk about it. Nor are you likely hearing all of his side of it now either.

138 posted on 01/22/2012 4:25:37 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: NittanyLion

You have an oddly calibrated moral compass. I don’t see how anyone could have continued working at that university, know about Sandusky’s ongoing and repeated pedophile rapes of boys. Just shrugging the shoulders and feeling helpless because of the good old boy network of enablers, and who knows maybe participants, and going about one’s business - I don’t see it. No, not at all.

It would have taken courage and the willingness to perhaps sacrifice job security, reputation, maybe friendships - but hey, that’s what life is for. To show what we’re made of.


139 posted on 01/22/2012 4:44:54 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: cva66snipe

I realize the legal system in many places (most?) stinks. I have personally see CPS lie, cops lie, and a child removed from a parent for no reason other than outright lies.

That said, a powerful man like Paterno, with several witnesses (two janitors were mentioned elsewhere as well), and rumors abounding - what Sandusky was doing was not a dark secret - could have done something. He chose to remain working there for years, knowing that Sandusky was raping boys. Paterno chose to stay. His choice.


140 posted on 01/22/2012 4:48:12 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

— DIETRICH BONHOEFFER


141 posted on 01/22/2012 5:00:53 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: little jeremiah
That said, a powerful man like Paterno, with several witnesses (two janitors were mentioned elsewhere as well), and rumors abounding - what Sandusky was doing was not a dark secret - could have done something. He chose to remain working there for years, knowing that Sandusky was raping boys. Paterno chose to stay. His choice.

When you find a sanitized place to work please feel free to post it. Even churches have their gossip and scandals. You don't get it do you? If the AD and those over the AD knew about it as well as the campus cops and likely the CPS just who was he going too go too then? You can not make investigating agencies do their job. They don't give a rip if you have folders full of evidence and taped conversations. People with connections or the right lawyer can get by with about anything.

So tell me would you feel better had Joe lost his home and been left destitute due to a libel suit? IF you accuse someone of something YOU had best have proof. Joe did not have police powers. Joe had no proof. He had second hand info. He reported it to his boss. He like any reasonable person inexperienced in such matters like I once was, trusted those in higher positions who were supposed to do their job and deal with it too do it. They didn't. That was not Joe's fault.

I'll go you one further and a lawyer will tell you this much. Since it was a juvenile involved Joe would have not had or been in any way Privy too the outcome of such an investigation. The judges clear the court rooms in these cases except for those directly related too the case. IOW Joe could not have even sat in on the case. CPS investigations are also confidential.

It looks like someone had some high connections within the state too keep the case under wraps for a long time and Joe did likely realize at least that much after some time passed. The university wanted persons fired only after the story broke. Who above Joe was fired? How far up did it go? To the university president wasn't it?

In the meantime while people feed on the get Joe media frenzy {fired to created a diversion and satisfy the call for heads too roll}} the ones who's job it actually was who should have acted will likely never see criminal charges nor even civil judgment out of their own pockets.

142 posted on 01/22/2012 5:30:28 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks for the reply asshole.


143 posted on 01/22/2012 5:38:20 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: cva66snipe

What do I know. I’m just a simple person. I’d rather be desitute and homeless than know that a (former?) associate was raping boys, that many people knew, and no one was doing anything to stop him or protect the boys. I’d quit after doing everything I could, and not look back.

But, I’m sanctimonious, holier than thou, and an asshole.


144 posted on 01/22/2012 5:52:33 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: little jeremiah
No you are just very naive as to how these investigations go. Look, Joe had absolutely no way of knowing for certain who investigated what, who was cleared of what, or even names involved of all the accuser or if there were more accusers. This type of info is not released. The only one on that campus who could obtain that info would be in the campus P.D.

The campus P.D. because it would involve the investigation of an act against a juvenile would still be court ordered protected records. If Joe called lets say CPS he would get Zilch as too if it was investigated or not. If Joe had even reported something he saw and asked the outcome the response would still be Zilch. Even flesh and blood too victims of abuse beyond the birth parents are allowed only very limited info in a case and sometimes no info at all.

This is not as cut and dry against Joe as many make it out too be because a lot of persons have absolutely no idea how crimes against kids are investigated, how such an investigation is done and handled, and who actually gets the results of such investigation. CPS knows, a therapist might know, a foster parent unless also kinship will likely not know, the judge and LEO, will know and that's about it.

Joe had every reasonable assumption to believe the case had been investigated by campus police and other agencies. Those agencies may not even question him as he was not a witness too a crime. Joe also as such would not have been told the outcome but Campus security {which if I read right is a state level LEA} should have been told though and acted on it. Actually it was campus police duty too call in CPS. IOW they were after the wrong persons in this.

145 posted on 01/22/2012 6:21:08 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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