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California air board to vote on landmark electric-car rules
San Jose Mercury News ^ | 1/25/12 | Paul Rogers

Posted on 01/25/2012 7:56:08 PM PST by SmithL

In a move that could reshape the American automobile industry, California regulators Thursday are expected to approve sweeping new rules requiring that 15 percent of new cars sold in California by 2025 run on electricity, hydrogen or other systems producing little or no smog.

The regulations by the California Air Resources Board, dubbed the "advanced clean car rules," would start in 2018, ramping up each year and ultimately resulting in 1.4 million "zero emission" vehicles on California roads by 2025. Today there are only about 10,000 such vehicles in the state.

"This is a really large step. It's transformational," said Tom Cackette, an engineer and chief deputy director of the air board. "Ten years from now the market is going to look quite a bit different."

The rules are the latest example of California's huge role in reducing tailpipe pollution across the country. The Golden State was the first to ban leaded gasoline, require catalytic converters and limit vehicles' greenhouse emissions.

This time around, however, the auto industry isn't fighting the ground-breaking California rules in court.

Apart from electric cars, the latest rules also affect vehicles that run on gasoline and diesel, requiring a 75 percent reduction in smog-forming emissions from new cars, SUVs, pickups and minivans. And they require a roughly 50 percent reduction in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions by 2025. That would force carmakers to build more fuel-efficient gasoline and diesel models.

The air board estimates that those regulations will add $1,900 to the price of a new car by 2025-but will save $5,900 in gasoline costs over the life of the average vehicle.

Environmental groups and the auto industry both predict that the upshot of the 15 percent "zero emission" mandate will be that vehicles such as...plug-in hybrid Chevy Volt will become as commonplace...

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: antibusiness; globalwarminhoax; goldenstate; yourtaxdollarsatwork

1 posted on 01/25/2012 7:56:15 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL
"will save $5,900 in gasoline costs over the life of the average vehicle."

hmm...they catch on fire after 3,000 miles.

That's a lot of gasoline.

2 posted on 01/25/2012 8:00:03 PM PST by evad (STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING. It's the SPENDING Stupid)
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To: SmithL

So, people will buy out of state..........after they move.......


3 posted on 01/25/2012 8:02:43 PM PST by Red Badger (If you are unemployed long enough, you are no longer unemployed.)
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To: SmithL

So now will we be forced to buy an electric vehicle? I live in Calif. what if I dont want an electric vehicle


4 posted on 01/25/2012 8:03:20 PM PST by funfan (and his crew)
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To: funfan

5 posted on 01/25/2012 8:05:51 PM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: SmithL

This is great for the used car business and for buying cars out of state.


6 posted on 01/25/2012 8:06:16 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: SmithL

I can hardly imagine what a new car in California will cost. I only hope the car manufacturers can contain the added costs within California’s borders rather than spread the cost out nationally.


7 posted on 01/25/2012 8:09:54 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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8 posted on 01/25/2012 8:10:15 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: SmithL

Coming later will be the QFP (Queers, Freaks, & Perverts) Board mandating that 1 in 15 marriages must be queer marriages. Marriages will be mandatory and will be determined by random draw. Sorry, but you will not have a choice in the matter as the State of Californicate has determined that it is in the public interest to maintain and celebrate minority populations.


9 posted on 01/25/2012 8:12:23 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: SmithL

In a move that could reshape the American automobile industry, California regulators Thursday are expected to approve sweeping new rules...

Boy, they think thet make up 95% of the USA...Only illegals will be left at that date, and they don`t speak gringo.


10 posted on 01/25/2012 8:14:16 PM PST by NCDave (AKA, "That idiot over there")
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To: SmithL

That’s stupid. How much will it use in electricity?

Electricity costs the earth in CA, because of the wacko greenies.


11 posted on 01/25/2012 8:16:29 PM PST by Politicalmom (Lazamataz for president!! NO MORE RINOS!!)
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To: SmithL

California entering the Dark Ages.


12 posted on 01/25/2012 8:29:00 PM PST by taxesareforever (Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich no jail time. Yeah!!!!!)
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To: SmithL
This is a really large step. It's transformational

He's right - it IS going to be transformational. It's going to help transform Kalifornia into a third world hell hole, where all the productive people who want freedom of choice and to be able to live in a non-repressive environment that's not ruled over by libtard nutjobs will head to better states, leaving behind nothing but the hordes of parasites with their hands out, feeding off of the crumbs left behind.

13 posted on 01/25/2012 8:29:29 PM PST by MCH
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To: SmithL

Hey CARB eat my shorts.. I’ll buy what I want


14 posted on 01/25/2012 8:31:12 PM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: NCDave
Boy, they think thet make up 95% of the USA...Only illegals will be left at that date, and they don`t speak gringo.

If I had a hand in writing the rules, I'd mandate that illegals can only buy and drive electric cars, or leave California. And the recharging instructions will only be in English. There, that kills two problems!

15 posted on 01/25/2012 8:40:10 PM PST by roadcat
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To: SmithL
...California regulators Thursday are expected to approve sweeping new rules requiring that 15 percent of new cars sold in California by 2025 run on electricity, hydrogen or other systems...

Who thinks up this stuff? Does anyone think about the consequences?

Does this apply to new cars only? Dealers will sue. I see a new industry springing up already - straw buyers in neighboring states.

How will they enforce? Refuse to register any new cars until someone buys an electric one? They'll need to check for weapons at the title office, people going postal will be a daily occurance.

How many new cars are sold in CA every year? A Million? 15% of that is 150,000. And how many alternative-fuel vehicles are built every year? Not that many, I'll wager. Let's see, 5000 Volts, Maybe 7000 Leafs, a few hundred Teslas. The other 137,000 potential buyers? There's always next year!

16 posted on 01/25/2012 8:41:45 PM PST by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: SmithL
Apart from electric cars, the latest rules also affect vehicles that run on gasoline and diesel, requiring a 75 percent reduction in smog-forming emissions from new cars, SUVs, pickups and minivans. And they require a roughly 50 percent reduction in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions by 2025. That would force carmakers to build more fuel-efficient gasoline and diesel models. stop selling cars in California.

Fixed it for them.

17 posted on 01/25/2012 8:47:56 PM PST by Vroomfondel
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To: Politicalmom

And they are also considering taking out 4 hydroelectic dams on the Kalamoth River, bragging it’ll create jobs and improve the salmon population. We just got a peaker plant approved after 4 years of litigation. What will replace the hydro dams, which is supposed to charge these battery wonders.


18 posted on 01/25/2012 8:50:51 PM PST by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: funfan

Then your face will be up on the post office wall as a wanted for air pollution!


19 posted on 01/25/2012 9:03:37 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: SmithL

Lunacy.


20 posted on 01/25/2012 9:10:38 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: SmithL

If the California legislature would just allow electric golf carts to be licensed for street use, they could have their 15% quickly and easily.


21 posted on 01/25/2012 9:16:07 PM PST by Avid Coug
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To: katiedidit1

That sounds about right.


22 posted on 01/25/2012 9:19:08 PM PST by funfan (and his crew)
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To: SmithL

Does California plan to build a Berlin Wall to keep its victims from escaping? As the state becomes loonier, the smart ones will leave and the not-so-smart won’t be able to afford those expensive electric toys.


23 posted on 01/25/2012 9:36:50 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: pacpam

Well, since they already have a “Green Energy” percentage mandate, I guess they will pay a premium for Nevada Geothermal electricity.

There are also a couple of solar projects here.

So Kalifornia users will pay extra for electricity that should have been generated locally at cheaper rates.

Rich libs don’t care, trust fund greens don’t care, the “Poor” don’t care as they are subsidized.
Only the working stiff has to worry, and he has no real say in the matter.


24 posted on 01/25/2012 9:43:52 PM PST by Loyal Sedition
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To: SmithL

In all seriousness, this really looks to me like an advanced version of either a two-year-old’s tantrum or a teenage girl’s daydream. Just wish that it were so and that’s the end of the train of thought.


25 posted on 01/25/2012 10:06:17 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: pacpam

considering taking out 4 hydroelectic dams on the Kalamoth River,


COPCO, I assume, is one; but what/where are the other three? How much generation will have to be replaced total?

I’m guessing this is one of the ‘whys’ they were able to exempt hydro from the “green” generation definitions.


26 posted on 01/26/2012 2:16:53 AM PST by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: SmithL
And our slow suicide continues, but this time we're taking you all with us. California sets the standard for every car sold in America.

I'm the proud owner of a perfectly serviceable vehicle which I can't drive because it can't pass smog. But I still have to pay the registration, which they won't give me until it passes. I can't even junk it without up to date tags, not that I would, it's only 10 years old and paid for!

They say the mileage standard will offset the cost of the car, but they keep increasing the amount of ethanol in the gas which decreases the mileage by half, and ruins your engine.We already have the most expensive gas on the mainland. This is just part of their diabolical plan to force us all out of cars and onto trains. These so-called Progressives want to take us back to trains and windmills, horses and buggies.Nothing progressive about them.

I don't know if any pressure can be brought on Gov. Moonbeam, but you all should call your Senators and Governors and scream bloody murder about this because it affects you all. Maybe they can prevent him from signing it.

27 posted on 01/26/2012 2:40:29 AM PST by athelass (Proud Mom of a Sailor & 2 Marines! Newt was for govt healthcare before Mitt was. Donate to Santorum)
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