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Gingrich opens door for illegal immigrants (Washington Times)
The Washington Times ^ | 25 January 2012 | Seth McLaughlin

Posted on 01/26/2012 1:29:37 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo

MIAMI — Fighting to curry favor with Florida’s large pool of Hispanic voters, Newt Gingrich on Wednesday called for a guest-worker program for most illegal immigrants, but his campaign could not say whether those people would be on a path to citizenship - the key question in the immigration debate.

Under close questioning by Univision’s political host, Jorge Ramos, Mr. Gingrich said he would grant quick citizenship rights to illegal immigrants...

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; election; gingrich; illegals; immigration
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1 posted on 01/26/2012 1:29:41 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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For General Discussion.


2 posted on 01/26/2012 1:30:40 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Hooray for Governor Jan Brewer. Poster girl for American Courage.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

He explained his steps for citizenship on one of the debates. It seems very fair.


3 posted on 01/26/2012 1:35:14 AM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Does it really matter that much?

All of the candidates say they’re going to seal the borders (whether all of them have the spine to do it, is a different story).

Nobody is going to deport all illegals. So the differences will be in what pathways to citizenship are there for those who remain.


4 posted on 01/26/2012 1:36:36 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Red Cuba's La Prensa Latina, which I follow from time to time, carried this perspective on it, just yesterday:

"Gingrich ataca política migratoria de Romney "Washington, 25 ene (PL) El aspirante a candidato republicano a las elecciones presidenciales Newt Gingrich criticó hoy la política migratoria de autodeportación propuesta por su principal rival, Mitt Romney, la cual calificó de inhumana. La iniciativa, que busca privar de todo tipo de empleos a los extranjeros indocumentados para forzarlos a regresar, por su voluntad, a su país, fue considerada por el expresidente de la Cámara de Representantes una fantasía "propia del presidente Barack Obama". Según indicó en una entrevista desde el estado de Florida, donde ocurrirán comicios primarios del Partido Republicano el venidero 31 de enero, la propuesta es una muestra que Romney no se preocupa por el aspecto humano de la gente."

5 posted on 01/26/2012 1:37:30 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Hooray for Governor Jan Brewer. Poster girl for American Courage.)
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To: Christie at the beach

They will have to do something here because there are jobs (fruit groves for one) that people will not take. Secure the border-work on the internal problems.


6 posted on 01/26/2012 1:38:58 AM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: AmericanInTokyo

What I seem to hear is that Gingrich had been singing several different tunes on this same subject. Make them permanent residents and that’s all, or “quick citizens.”

Confusing.


7 posted on 01/26/2012 1:39:52 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Utmost Certainty

It seems to me this is a very important issue, has been for years and we keep getting more of the same and an horrible drain on our country as if a spigot cannot be turned off, it was even as an issue risen in the very face of King Obama himself on Arizonan soil yesterday by a courageous woman, Governor down there who is under literal invasion. At any rate, my analysis of this position is that it is, or could be categorized under that of, traditional “compassionate conservatism”. Such as per John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Mitt Romney under his governorship, Bush/Rove, etc.


8 posted on 01/26/2012 1:41:53 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Hooray for Governor Jan Brewer. Poster girl for American Courage.)
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To: Christie at the beach
Purists are going to have to realize our government will not make people leave. They will have to change the system-first, close the border/secure it like tomorrow.
9 posted on 01/26/2012 1:42:04 AM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’ve mostly just heard him talking about sealing the border by any means necessary, by 2014. Also vigorously enforcing measures like E-Verify, establishing English as the official language of government, etc.

Beyond that, he’s been a realistic and admitted that some people will inevitably be allowed to stay—particularly those who’ve been here for 20-25 yrs or more, but that they’d have to pursue citizenship. This is reasonable.

I really don’t see what’s so controversial about any of this.


10 posted on 01/26/2012 1:43:21 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Look, sealing the border is obviously the most important part—none of the internals get resolved until after that happens.

Who do you think has the balls to actually do it? Vote for that person.


11 posted on 01/26/2012 1:44:48 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

From everything I gather, Newt’s stance is very close to what Palin endorsed. Many in the PDS brigade slammed that as ‘pro amnesty.

The thing that they then and the pro-Obama crew today faol to grasp (due to an inability or unwillingness to think critically) is that the plan results in practically no actual citizenship given to current illegals.

The key point is that they go to the back of the line.

Now look HONESTLY at that line. It is an ever growing line filled with tens if not hundreds of thousands of people across the globe who are applying for citizenship the right/legal way.

And as new people get in that line every day, they do so AHEAD of the illegals at the back. Over and over.

The end result is that until people stop trying to come to America, the illegals at the back will never make it to the front.

The fact of the matter is that Newt, like Palin before, neutralizes the Dems ‘you hate immigrants’ By in fact providing a very real ‘path to citizenship’ that they scream and demagogue for. It’s just that the path takes longer to walk than the lifespan of the illegal on it.

Legal immigrants don’t have that problem. They come just fine like they always have.

And in the mean time, the rest of the things are put into play. A fence, deportation, laws that leave illegals without work, a place to live, state bennies etc.

I’m not seeing a problem here.


12 posted on 01/26/2012 1:47:45 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Utmost Certainty

As soon as citizenship can be pursued, you can bet Democrats will be force feeding it to them.


13 posted on 01/26/2012 1:49:18 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Gingrich's position is here: Immigration - 10 Steps to a Legal Nation http://www.newt.org/solutions/immigration

(You didn't really think Newt Gingrich wouldn't have a position paper, did you?)

14 posted on 01/26/2012 1:49:35 AM PST by GVnana (Newt 2012 - He Speaks for Us)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yeah, I’m aware of that possibility. So obviously reasonable measures need to be set up so Dems can’t do that.

But quibbling over any of this is senseless speculation. No viable solutions to illegal immigration can happen until the border is sealed, period. So for now, I’d rather opt for the candidate who I think actually has the nerve to do it.


15 posted on 01/26/2012 1:56:23 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I want to know what Newt plans to do about LEGAL immigration.

10 million new citizens in the last 11 years.

5 million new Green Cards in the last 11 years.

500,000 temporary work visas each year.

Unemployment is 8.5%, but Newt wants more legal workers?

New immigrant citizens vote 80% for the Democratic Party, but Newt wants more immigration?

These numbers are economic suicide for America and political suicide for Conservatives.


16 posted on 01/26/2012 2:31:10 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: Christie at the beach

Afraid I will have to admit to being one of those purists. I do not believe in this particular “fait accompli”. Just because our politicians, on both sides of the fence, allowed 12-20 million illegals into this country does not mean that we need to accept them as citizens. Deny them jobs and benefits and they will go back on their own. Two or three times, this century, the government has sent non-citizen Mexicans back to Mexico, following one of our wars. It can be done. This country, in this condition, cannot absorb this many third-worlders right now. If a US President is going to allow this, it will not be one that I voted for. If this is Newt’s stand, then he will not win because I voted for the SOB. I did not vote for McLame and I will not vote for anyone who does not favor moving the border back to its original place. PERIOD.


17 posted on 01/26/2012 2:33:28 AM PST by David Isaac
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BTTT

:)


18 posted on 01/26/2012 2:37:30 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

“And in the mean time, the rest of the things are put into play. A fence, deportation, laws that leave illegals without work, a place to live, state bennies etc.”

Gingrich is going to do all of these things? Or is he saying he will do all of these things, while at the same time, talking a different tune out of the other side of his mouth to our Latin voters. Sorry for the cynicism, but I have seen ZERO evidence of any politician trying to do any of these things.


19 posted on 01/26/2012 2:39:07 AM PST by David Isaac
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Actually I don’t expect Gingrich personally to do them. I do however feel he will not prosecute AZ or any other state, I do not feel he will actively campaign to stop laws protecting Americans and I doubt that he will interfere with any number of conservative efforts to address the problem. All of which is a damn side better than we have now or have had for a long time.

I do however, think that he is the best of the available options. If you have a better solution/candidate currently running with the ability to win, please discuss.

Since our other option is the Road Warrior scenario, which we may end up in regardless, I thing giving Newt a shot before the descent into chaos is a good idea. Romney sure as hell isn’t going to do it...he’s too busy hiding his own illegal laborers on the homestead.


20 posted on 01/26/2012 2:48:09 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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