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Live Thread: Republican Presidential Debate in Jacksonville, FL on CNN 8 P.M. EST
Thursday, January 26, 2012 | Kristinn

Posted on 01/26/2012 3:56:03 PM PST by kristinn

Hosted by Wolf Blitzer at the University of North Florida in Jacksonville. Candidates: Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum and Ron Paul.

Word is the audience will be "allowed" to participate.

Livestream here.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; 2012gopprimary; debate; fl2012; gingrich4america; gopdebate; livefladebate; liveflaprimarydebate; livegopdebate; patriotgingrich; rinoromney; romney4romney; santorum
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To: HapaxLegamenon
Santorum - "The rights within our Constitution, they are not unlimited rights. There is and can be limitations on them...There are limitations to all freedoms. There are not absolute rights."

Well he is right. The rights we have are not unlimited: 1) We have a right to free speech but not to libel; 2) We can bear arms but not a nuclear weapon; 3) we can be secure in our home but can be served a warrant; 4) Goverment cannot take private property for public use UNLESS just compensation is given. Etc...

Either something is an inalienable right or it isn't.

If there is no inalienable right to own a nuclear weapon but there is an inalienable right to own a gun, then the inalienable right to own a gun is absolute.

If there is no inalienable right for a felon to own a gun but there is an inalienable right for others to own a gun, then the inalienable right by non felons to own a gun is absolute.

Santorum claims that there are no absolute rights.

An inalienable right by definition is an absolute right.

Santorum doesn't understand inalienable rights, or at least he didn't back in September.

2,151 posted on 01/26/2012 9:07:54 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: mylife

>> “I understand, but it would be even better to WIN!” <<

.
Now there’s a concept!


2,152 posted on 01/26/2012 9:07:59 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: mylife

they are and newt knows this and knows his history unlike all the others but trying to tell the facts today with the bias media and trying to get the truth out is hard because of the establishment, the liberals and the MSM which are the same.


2,153 posted on 01/26/2012 9:08:13 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: bray

I agree with you, bray. I stopped watching but I taped it. Don’t think I’ll bother though.

Very depressing.

I wanted very much to be reassured about my support for Newt but ....


2,154 posted on 01/26/2012 9:08:22 PM PST by altura
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To: Bailee

Bailee has never heard of TEA Party and was in the Falkland Islands in November 2010.


2,155 posted on 01/26/2012 9:08:36 PM PST by txhurl
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To: Salvation
No, not Paul.

Sorry, should have included crazy uncle Paul.

He is such a non-entity in my mind that I just naturally dismiss him as harmless in the long run.

He will never be nominated, never.
2,156 posted on 01/26/2012 9:08:45 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Joe 6-pack

“I’ve been repeatedly told that “Santorum ended his chances,” since November. “

Ignore all of them except for the first one. When Santorum filed, he ended his chances.

He’s never had a chance. He lived in Iowa for three years and still will never realize those Iowa Caucus promises.


2,157 posted on 01/26/2012 9:08:51 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Exactly that is why Fox is pushing Romney they want Obama to win just like last time. The don’t want Obama care or the destruction of the American economy to be reversed.


2,158 posted on 01/26/2012 9:09:10 PM PST by Carry me back
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To: Bailee

I hope Mitt is not the nominee. But if he is, Newt cannot blame it on RS


2,159 posted on 01/26/2012 9:09:30 PM PST by HapaxLegamenon
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To: gswilder
I will vote the republican nominee regardless.

I won't. I am fed up with the Fords, Doles, Mccains, Bushes, and Romneys. I will vote for America and the Constitution -- I hope that will be Republican, but with the leftist elitist establishment running the GOP, I just don't know.

2,160 posted on 01/26/2012 9:10:11 PM PST by womanvet (Lesser of 2 evils is Romney...no, come to think of it, he is pure evil.)
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To: jennychase

HUH?

Tea Party is for NEWT GINGRICH, Where have you been?


2,161 posted on 01/26/2012 9:11:07 PM PST by ConfidentConservative (If my people shall humble themselves and pray,I will hear from Heaven and heal their land.)
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To: llandres

“Santorum’s a hypocrite just as much as Mittens is. He’s a spoiler and he comes off as sanctimonious , snarky and sullen when he doesn’t get enough attention.”

Yep.


2,162 posted on 01/26/2012 9:11:39 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: altura

People are such tards.
If We get a decent candidate as President, Perry will be working overtime to neutralize the EPA, the Dept of commerce and the dept of education in conjunction with a friendly executive branch.

You can look for him to drive wedge issues like 2nd amendment rights and border security as well.


2,163 posted on 01/26/2012 9:12:02 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: brydic1

” I am beginning to believe that the entire cast of candidates for the republican nomination are out to destroy the conservative movement as well as the republican party. It would be best if all of them simply withdrew and let uninstructed delegates come up with the nominee. This is a year which conservatives should easily win the election but the tawdry performance by all concerned is going to lead to the ruin of the republic by the reelection of Obama.”

Post of the day ! Why else would they subject themselves to what - 18 debates on CNN , MSNBC , ABC , etc., etc...and tear each other to shreds while Obama sits back laughing his butt off ?


2,164 posted on 01/26/2012 9:12:08 PM PST by sushiman
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To: womanvet

fudger report..that sounds funny! Is Matt gay or what?


2,165 posted on 01/26/2012 9:12:12 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: mylife
What I will never understand is how Perry never recovered from the “instate tuition” thing, which he could not veto and had nothing to do with illegal immigration. Then Newt promotes Amnesty and folks cheered.

Instate tuition is a form of amnesty.

Anyway, I'm still looking for an answer to my question.

If Newt wants to legalize illegals who have been here more than 25 years and if the last amnesty was about 26 years ago, just how many illegals would be covered by this new amnesty who weren't covered by the last amnesty?

2,166 posted on 01/26/2012 9:12:56 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: manc

It was refreshing to hear both Mitt and Newt lay into the muzzie!
.


2,167 posted on 01/26/2012 9:13:15 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: ConfidentConservative

We have the whole RAT party and a surprising chunk of FR who choses, irrationaly, to understand what TEA did in Nov. 2010.

Whistling past the graveyard, all of them.


2,168 posted on 01/26/2012 9:13:18 PM PST by txhurl
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To: Carry me back

Sickening isn’t it..damn I am getting more and more pessimistic everyday. I always thought that ANYONE could beat Obama, my shoe could beat him, but now, if Romney is the nominee(Which the media wants SO badly) they know that Conservatives will stay home. I mean really, who here can say that they will vote for Mitt Romney if he is the nominee? To me Obama and Romney are one in the same, which is what the media loves. I get how the media wants Romney, I get how the left wants Romney, but Republicans.. I just dont get it..why? Has the Republican party strayed so far that they don’t even recognize what their values used to be..that they(The establishment especially) can want someone who is exactly like the guy they are supposedly against, I just dont get it


2,169 posted on 01/26/2012 9:13:28 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: HapaxLegamenon

“I hope Mitt is not the nominee. But if he is, Newt cannot blame it on RS”

Newt’s made plenty of mistakes and it is not because he was too conservative. Newt has to listen to us if he wants to win.


2,170 posted on 01/26/2012 9:13:33 PM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA/PIPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: MissMagnolia

UGH, Now I have to wash my eyes with soap! ewwwww


2,171 posted on 01/26/2012 9:13:42 PM PST by ConfidentConservative (If my people shall humble themselves and pray,I will hear from Heaven and heal their land.)
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To: All
I'm watching the rerun of the debate since I wasn't home for the live event.

Ron Paul is most vile. He's engaging in class warfare calling our most productive people, "The Wealthy Class". And what's with his lunacy about a transfer of wealth to that so-called "Wealthy Class". We all know that Ron Paul's anti-military stance represents an existential threat to America. His ideas about the economy are straight out of Das Kapital.

This evil little appeaser is an embarrassment to America and the district in Texas that elects him cycle after cycle. He's no Constitutional Conservative and is in the same category as Mitt Romney.

FUMR and FURP! Go Newt Go!

2,172 posted on 01/26/2012 9:14:13 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: mylife

I agree with you totally on the Santorum abortion statement.

Thanks for reminding me of another reason I don’t like Santorum.

I was kinda falling under his spell tonight because the food fight was making others look bad, but there are three huge negatives, no flat tax, bragging about home schooling at the white house when he should be concerned with making education for the mass of people who can’t home school.

His over the top social security plan, also.

And saying felons should regain voting rights.


2,173 posted on 01/26/2012 9:14:31 PM PST by altura
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To: manc

I like that Newt is a historian.
I think what made our founders great is that they had a keen appreciation of history.


2,174 posted on 01/26/2012 9:15:12 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: jwalsh07

Maybe Newt could drop out and endorse Santorum. It’s clear there’s a majority who would vote for the Cookie Monster to stop Romney. :-)


2,175 posted on 01/26/2012 9:15:29 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Right_in_Virginia

I’ll vote for Paul in the primary I’m in Virginia too. I’ll also not stay at home but vote for Obama if Mitt is running against him. We would be better off with Obama. Don’t vote for Mitt under any circumstance. That is giving in to the traitors.


2,176 posted on 01/26/2012 9:16:11 PM PST by Carry me back
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To: mylife

It’s totally weird, mylife. Current Newt supporters would come on Perry threads and utterly damn him for what they thought was supporting illegals, which he never did.

Go figure.

I can’t.


2,177 posted on 01/26/2012 9:17:11 PM PST by altura
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To: altura; mylife

This mittens ‘rebound’ is a function of absentee votes coming in from 6 weeks ago, and is not representative of current conservative sentiment.

South Carolina picks PRESIDENTS.


2,178 posted on 01/26/2012 9:19:59 PM PST by txhurl
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To: FreeReign

Your problem is you do not know the word “right”. Had you ever read the Magna Carter (which was written in Latin), you would know that English word “right” comes from the Latin word “jus” from which we also get the English words justice and law. Therefore our inalienable rights cannot extend wider than natural law.

Do you think you have an inalienable right to libel?


2,179 posted on 01/26/2012 9:20:17 PM PST by HapaxLegamenon
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To: Sarah Barracuda

“but Republicans.. I just dont get it..why? Has the Republican party strayed so far that they don’t even recognize what their values used to be..that they(The establishment especially) can want someone who is exactly like the guy they are supposedly against, I just dont get it”

Republicans like Romney because he is disciplined and does his homework. He has the executive experience that everyone thought was a good thing when Palin was around.

It’s all about the personality and not his ideas. They figure that if they have a problem with his ideas, they can still work with him.


2,180 posted on 01/26/2012 9:20:32 PM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA/PIPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: KansasGirl

Mitt is running for Obama.


2,181 posted on 01/26/2012 9:20:53 PM PST by Carry me back
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To: caww

Why isn’t Gingrich the selfish one? He lost Iowa, he couldn’t even tie Santorum in New Hampshire, but he kept going and took the votes from Santorum in South Carolina.

At least, that is as rational a way of looking at is as claiming that Newt somehow is entitled to the votes, and Santorum is evil because he wants to be President.


2,182 posted on 01/26/2012 9:22:51 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: katiedidit1

Heh - I am an engineer: You and I could fill these pages until our fingers drop off with all the positives that came from NASA and those who worked with them. And still there would be much more.

However, Newt is right. As is true of so many areas, the Establishment (in this case the NASA Establishment) needs serious pruning and reshaping followed by redirection. The goal is not to save money in a zero-sum-game while everyone remaining sits around in committees and does studies to try to justify their jobs. The goal is to create whole new areas of economic growth, opportunity, and benefit to humankind, the USA in particular. Along the way, we learn more about our Universe (close and far), and encourage a whole new generation of scientists, engineers, and technicians, to create far more than thinner laptops and computer games.


2,183 posted on 01/26/2012 9:24:08 PM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: All
I skimmed the comments and they are similar to what is on Twitter. Santorum did good tonight and as a result, Mitt will win FL and be our nominee.

The media, Mitt's negative campaign and the GOP establishment were effective at destroying Newt's chances.

I don't think Mitt can beat Obama, but if he does, nothing will change. Our country will continue to decline and by time everyone wakes up, it will be too late. Perhaps it already is too late, based on comments I have been reading.

I am bummed, but not for myself. I am bummed for my kids. They will never have the opportunities we had.

I will vote for Newt in the FL primary, but I will not vote for Romney if he is our nominee. The real Mitt was on display tonight and he truly is a despicable person. Santorum and Paul do not have a chance in heck of winning and I have absolutely no respect for either one. They have given Mitt the win and put the final nail in America's coffin. Anyone who thinks they are viable candidates in the general election is not facing reality.

2,184 posted on 01/26/2012 9:24:41 PM PST by LuvFreeRepublic ( (#withNewt))
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To: NKP_Vet

He attacked them knowing there could be no follow-up.
That’s a sneaky, low-life thing to do and that worthless
Blitzer should have put a stop to it. All in all it was a terrible debate, worse then the one the other might.


2,185 posted on 01/26/2012 9:25:42 PM PST by NKP_Vet (creep.)
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To: FreeReign

IN the estimation of our Comptroller and all but 4 of the legislators it was a way to relieve the tax burden on citizens of Texas.

The FEDERAL Gov forced these illegals on us, they FORCED us to allow them to be citizens, pay for k-12 and pay for medical.

What our legislation said was, “If we are stuck with them, why not give the bright ones a chance to give back to the community by becoming successful. Why not collect their taxes, let them pay their own way, rather than be day laborers that are a tax burden for other citizens?”

At any rate, It passed with only 4 dissenting votes and Perry was unable to veto the bill.
State Comptroller Susan Combs says we are seeing relief in the debt burden because of it.

Remember this is not a hand out. These4 people still have to pay their own tuition, and they must successfully apply for citizenship.


2,186 posted on 01/26/2012 9:25:59 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

agree and I see Newt wiping the floor with zero but the establishment will stop him.


2,187 posted on 01/26/2012 9:27:24 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“Why isn’t Gingrich the selfish one?”

I think it has to do with the consistent inability of Santorum to gain support on a national basis and in key states like South Carolina, Florida, Ohio and his home state of Pa.

Newt is well ahead of Santorum and has a chance to defeat Romney.


2,188 posted on 01/26/2012 9:27:31 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: Paul R.

What Newt said about Nasa was brilliant. Problem is I’m not sure that very many can actually grasp what he was trying to say.


2,189 posted on 01/26/2012 9:27:57 PM PST by Carry me back
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To: txhurl

I am not so sure.
This is not a normal primary.
I think Santorum could end up with this thing, and I think he is a weak candidate.


2,190 posted on 01/26/2012 9:28:04 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: HapaxLegamenon
Santorum claims that there are no absolute rights. He is wrong. An inalienable right by definition is an absolute right.

Your problem is you do not know the word “right”.

No, your problem is that you don't understand the phrase "inalienable right".

Do you think you have an inalienable right to libel?

No.

Do you think you have an inalienable right to own a gun?

2,191 posted on 01/26/2012 9:30:17 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: ari-freedom

Oh dont kid yourself the Rep-E get it. They dont wont to lead they want to suckle at the trough of $$$ fed by their Dem Masters.

Their afraid that Newt will turn off the money supply, Greedy bastards.


2,192 posted on 01/26/2012 9:30:20 PM PST by Bailee
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To: Bailee

Its not over regardless of who wins Florida. After Florida less than 5% of delegates have been awarded.


2,193 posted on 01/26/2012 9:33:25 PM PST by HapaxLegamenon
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To: Paul R.
and encourage a whole new generation of scientists, engineers, and technicians, to create far more than thinner laptops and computer games.

I was just thinking about that today. We have high tech, yes, but it seems to be limited to just the computer software industry. Surprisingly, computer programmers know very little math and physics. Our educational system really fails in this regard and that is also something that needs to be addressed.
2,194 posted on 01/26/2012 9:33:48 PM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA/PIPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: rbmillerjr

If Sarah endorsed Santorum, it could put him over the top.

Do you think there are any Sarah Palin supporters who are supporting Romney right now, but would move to Gingrich? Do you think there are many who aren’t already polling for Gingrich?

Florida isn’t the end. It’s only 49 delegates. It’s winner-take-all, so that hurts, but Gingrich got all the SC delegates.


2,195 posted on 01/26/2012 9:34:26 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: altura

“I wanted very much to be reassured about my support for Newt but ....”

Let me tell you, it’s easy to get depressed, but look at the bigger picture. it is only 10 days since Newt’s rousing debate in SC where he knocked Juan Williams. It is only 7 days since Newt smacked down John King, and only 5 days since he won SC. What changed? The focused impact of money. I live in S. Florida and today alone got 3 Romney campaign mailers and 1 hit piece on Newt from Restore our Future. The Romney guys spent a ton of money through SC and were reeling after last Saturday.

This tells us that even strong debate performances can be taken down very quickly by effective campaign marketing and negative ads. Newt has spent very little thus far. I hear his radio ad and I have seen a couple of commercials. He is saving the best for last. I saw both debates this week and in my view, Monday was a draw at worst for Newt. Tonight he was tired, and frankly has to be a bit worn after all the endless attacks. This ranks up even higher than what Sarah Palin got in such a few very short days.

The only way Romney climbs is by tearing Newt down. I don’t believe that Romney firmly holds the 40% he is supposedly carrying in the polls. The only difference between last week and this is the bombarding of Romney mailers, negative ads on Newt, the distortions about the ethics investigation, and now these guys from 15 - 30 years ago coming out of the woodwork to attack him on his support of Reagan. If Romney were a half-decent candidate that people like and want, he would be way over 50% with all the money he’s blown.

I say we need to stand firm! We were not wrong to support Newt last week and we are right to support him now! There is still 5 days that Romney has to cover his sorry ass, and now already the Boston Herald has a story that Romney’s blind trust claim is a lie. The investments he has in Fanny and Freddie are in his portfolio, not a blind trust.

The fact is that all week through today, Newt is drawing big, excited crowds, and the Tea Party leaders have come out in support of him. Newt has kept his powder dry and saved his money. Now in the last few days it’s time to come out blasting. Also, don’t forget that early voting just started last weekend, right when Newt was peaking in SC. Nobody knows what the early vote tally looks like. One reason Romney poured all this crap out is that the start of early voting could not have been better for Newt! The only vote I am sure of is mine - I voted for Newt yesterday and the voting has been pretty active.

This thing ain’t over, folks. I remain confident!


2,196 posted on 01/26/2012 9:35:55 PM PST by untwist
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

Cheer up. Mitt will not be the nominee. He has a base of support but it is not a majority.

If he wins Florida it will be because of early voting, which I hate and not because Santorum is running or did well tonight.


2,197 posted on 01/26/2012 9:35:55 PM PST by altura
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To: manc

We tried to get tickets also. My husband knows a guy who’s daughter has “connections” but no luck.


2,198 posted on 01/26/2012 9:36:12 PM PST by Proudcongal (NEWT/PERRY or NEWT/SANTORUM or NEWT/PALIN 2012!)
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

Very well said..sad for the true conservatives and very sad for our nation and children. I will never vote for Romney.


2,199 posted on 01/26/2012 9:37:25 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: HapaxLegamenon
I dont think it is about the % of delegates awarded. Its about the Funding. If mittens wins he will take on an heir of invincibility and SC with the Evangelical will be a Fluke.

Newt funding will start to dry up. Remembers Mittens has been preparing for four years and has plenty of cash.

2,200 posted on 01/26/2012 9:37:52 PM PST by Bailee
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