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To: sourcery
Natural born citizenship: A natural born citizen is one whose citizenship is not granted by law or by any act of a sovereign, but inheres naturally in the person from birth according to principles that don't depend on laws or decisions of a sovereign.

By your definition then isn't impossible for a African-American to be a natural-born citizen? In 1856 the Supreme Court ruled that African-Americans, both slave and free, could not be citizens of the U.S. of any kind. It took the 14th Amendment, and the laws passed to enforce it, to grant them citizenship and citizenship at birth. Does that not mean that they have their citizenship granted by law and therefore they cannot be natural-born citizens?

114 posted on 02/17/2016 4:19:46 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
Does that not mean that they have their citizenship granted by law and therefore they cannot be natural-born citizens?

No. It does NOT mean that. means it was an Amendment. Not a law.

We The People and the States are involved in Amendments. The 13th/14th/15th were not laws. The fact that they were not mere laws is the entire point that some cannot grasp.

Power flows from ( God ) => People => States => FedGov

Slaves were NOT made whole by Congress, they were made whole by We The People.

This is the clue that should prevent people from looking into statutory law to decide if some candidate is a NBC.

115 posted on 02/17/2016 4:30:53 AM PST by Democratic-Republican
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To: DoodleDawg

“Does that not mean that they have their citizenship granted by law and therefore they cannot be natural-born citizens?”

Those who become citizens solely by political decree cannot be natural born citizens. However, just because there’s a political decree making you a citizen doesn’t mean you can’t also be a natural born citizen. No law can either make you an NBC, nor prevent you from being one, for the same reason that no law can make true be the same as false—true and false are distinct by “nature,” not because of some statute.

You’re a natural born citizen of a country if you yourself were born in the country, and if both of your parents were citizens (whether natural born or naturalized makes no difference) when you were born.

So modern African Americans who were born in the US to parents who were citizens of any sort at the time are natural born citizens. In other words, almost all of them are.


123 posted on 02/17/2016 12:17:18 PM PST by sourcery (Without the right to self defense, there can be no rights at all.)
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To: DoodleDawg
Arrrghhh.

DD, I meant to ping you to #124 which is about #115

127 posted on 02/17/2016 3:27:46 PM PST by Democratic-Republican
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