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Time To Draft Rubio For VP
Red State ^ | 1-31-2012 | Tom Thurlow

Posted on 01/31/2012 9:49:41 PM PST by reformedcrat

Forceful, unapologetic articulation is a new requirement for Republicans: it is not only a good track record or voting record, conservatives also demand the ability to forcefully articulate conservative principles. Just ask Texas Governor Rick Perry.

(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012veep; fl2012; rubio; rubio2012; vp
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To: pray4liberty

That case is interesting, but a “default judgment” will not actually get to the merits, will it? And the other 49 States can all come up with their OWN decisions on this matter.


101 posted on 02/01/2012 8:25:11 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Waryone

HUH?
You make so many leaps in your arguments against me, why would anyone listen to you on citizenship law?

How am I “anti-sovereignty”? Who died and made you ruler of this issue?


102 posted on 02/01/2012 8:29:04 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Waryone

You are wrong.
NOBODY with any authority under the law agrees with you on this matter.
The Court cases your small choir comes up with were all decided BEFORE the various acts of Congress defined citizenship for us. (Look at a Passport application).
The Court rulings you rest your very weak case upon, therefore, had to use Common Law and Natural Law definitions, as Congress had not provided guidance. (YES, Congress interprets the Constitution all the time, that is part of the job of Congress, to ENACT provisions of the Constitution.)

Your case is very, very weak.


103 posted on 02/01/2012 8:33:24 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: zipper

again, Natural Law and Common Law can be and often are over ridden by LEGISLATION!

You have no case.


104 posted on 02/01/2012 8:35:42 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: sneakers
That was a default judgment, due to FAILURE TO APPEAR, and was not really decided on the merits.
We have 49 other States.
They can all define this matter for themselves.
The vast majority of States will not agree with you.

BTW, I think Obama deserved a default judgment for his arrogance in refusing to answer the Court.

105 posted on 02/01/2012 8:39:04 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Utmost Certainty

Marco is not as conservative as you might think and he’s not eligible to be VP. Drafting him this year will just result in a bunch of lawsuits and bad press. Its a bad idea. Allen West is a much better choice for VP.


106 posted on 02/01/2012 8:41:16 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: bigbob
The vetting that Perry received did not speak well of his capabilities to be President of these United States.

I find it rather unlikely he will be a VP choice.

107 posted on 02/01/2012 8:42:04 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
I agree.
Besides, Texas will not vote for Obama, anyway.
108 posted on 02/01/2012 8:45:03 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Agreed.

Texas is in the bag.

Perry provides little other than a good record of job creation in a major State - his ethics personality and intellect seem to be major drawbacks.

He isn't much as far as ideological balance - rock ribbed conservatives don't seem especially enamored - and he provides little in the way of swaying the electoral map.

Not a likely choice.

As far as Rubio - and those on this thread that maintain he is not a NBC - the U.S. Constitution only mentions or envisions two types of U.S. citizen going forward - those who owe natural allegiance to these United States via conditions of birth and are “natural born” - and those who must undergo a legal process of “naturalization” to shift those natural allegiances.

109 posted on 02/01/2012 8:52:29 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: reformedcrat

“conservatives also demand the ability to forcefully articulate conservative principles”

Yeah, like illegals are illegal and need to be deported. And we don’t need to import millions of foreigners here, particulary when we have high unemployment as it is.

Rubio, speak out on these issues—conservatives demand it.


110 posted on 02/01/2012 8:53:39 AM PST by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Waryone

ABO...Rubio is paying back Willard because he supported him in his senate run.


111 posted on 02/01/2012 8:57:30 AM PST by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: allmendream
Spot ON!

Look, in any battle, there might be arguments with the General over strategy. A smart General will listen to the concerns of his officers.

I do not like Obama, but the radical birthers on FR are far too quick to call everyone in disagreement over strategy the “enemy” when we point out the weakness of their arguments.

112 posted on 02/01/2012 9:00:58 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

Your shouting that “NOBODY with any authority blah blah blah...” is like global warming’s settled science. Shout it often enough and maybe the easily fooled will believe you. But your opinion on settled law means nothing and your shouting about it means even less.

The Constitution is what it is and only liberal sovereignty destroyers like you want to change the original intent of those who created the law. Shout all you want. Rubio is not a natural born citizen and he never will be.


113 posted on 02/01/2012 10:18:40 AM PST by Waryone (Mitt Romney, the father of gay marriage and socialized medicine in the US, is a lying socialist)
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To: reformedcrat

By your standard, you would claim the child of our worst enemy, Iran’s Pres. Ahmadenijad, was eligible to be President of the United States if said child was born on U.S. soil and met the other qualifications listed in Article 2, Section 1 of our Constitution. This is why “born on U.S. soil of U.S. citizen parents”, the standard unanimously supported in Supreme Court case Minor vs Happersett, is critical in protecting the American people from foreign dominance.


114 posted on 02/01/2012 10:31:01 AM PST by sforkjoe57 (How much longer must Americans be slaves to the stupidity of John Maynard Keynes?)
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To: Kansas58

And yet you would claim the child of America’s worst enemy, Iranian Pres. Ahmadinejad, would be eligible for the office of U.S. President if said child were born on U.S. soil and met the other qualifications listed in Article 2, Section 1 of our Constitution.

The founders used the term “natural born citizen” because they didn’t want a person with a natural allegiance to foreign countries serving as president or commander in chief. No court or legislature has provided a lesser standard than that found in Vattel’s “The Law of Nations” (born on U.S. soil of U.S. citizen parents at the time of birth) because a lesser standard would obviously permit the child of our worst enemies to become our president.


115 posted on 02/01/2012 11:06:45 AM PST by sforkjoe57 (How much longer must Americans be slaves to the stupidity of John Maynard Keynes?)
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To: Waryone
The Constitution does NOT support your argument.
Not at all.
The Constitution does NOT define NBC. The Courts were left, for a time, to base their decisions on Natural Law or Common Law.
Legislative LAW trumps Common Law and Natural Law.
We now have such guidance, and no Court, no Legal Authority, will support your views on the merits.
116 posted on 02/01/2012 11:36:02 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: sforkjoe57
Actually, the Founders pretty much trusted THE VOTERS and the STATES.

You are looking for a “magic wand” to get rid of Obama.

I am very much a Constitutional Conservative, and I object to anyone who distorts the meaning of that document.

I believe that you are guilty of just that.

117 posted on 02/01/2012 11:39:05 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

You are playing semantic games and I outed you!

Now you’re showing yourself to be a full on Alinsky-ite.

The country doesn’t need your type of ‘debate’.


118 posted on 02/01/2012 11:44:23 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Kansas58

And when house democrats officially legislate that anyone can be president, instead of ‘certifying’ illegal candidates like in the last election, then you’ll be happy.

I see very little respect for the Constitution and the founding of this nation in your posts.

Only the globalists want the natural born clause erased from America’s cultural memory, citizens don’t. Its a very Stalinist of the globalists, don’t you think?


119 posted on 02/01/2012 11:51:12 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: sneakers

We should know as early as tomorrow (or possibly even late today) what the administrative judge’s recommendation to the GA Secretary of State will be.

The deadline for the written briefs is today.


120 posted on 02/01/2012 12:47:23 PM PST by zipper (espions sur les occupants)
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