Posted on 02/02/2012 4:17:25 PM PST by fred4prez
They certainly are heretics.
They claim to be Christian but have unsound doctrines - even very unsound doctrines, and they use both the Christian scripture and the concepts threin. Thats a heretic.
Back in the sixteenth century we would have been prosecuting them as heretics, open and shut case.
Are they not Christian ? I doubt you will find such a blanket statement from the Catholic church, as Christian is both a theological concept and a linguistic one. All we have here is a statement saying (or broadly implying) that they are very heretical.
Christians cannot be baptized twice, your (claimed) church is very clear on that, your church requires every baptized Mormon, to become baptized into Christianity.
(Unless of course he was a Mormon convert who was previously baptized as a Catholic or Protestant.)
“You defend mormonISM and call Christians heretics”
I defend the Mormons as a religious group to be tolerated in the public and political sphere as all others are in the US.
I call SOME Christians heretics, in the eyes of the Catholic church, as they have always been held to be.
Christians - superset
Catholic - subset
heretics = Christians - Catholics
My point, and I really don’t understand why this is so hard to put across, is that if we, Catholics, Protestants, etc., can get along, EVEN with this history of conflict (religious wars and the burning of heretics), why must we make an exception for Mormons ?
“You pimp Romney and call people who do not support him anti-mormon”
I don’t support Romney. I just object to the extreme speech against him, it does none of us any good. It certainly doesn’t even help keep him from the nomination, as his most bitter opponents will end up sounding like cranks.
SOME opponents of Romney do so because he is a Mormon (and there are many posts here in evidence), as for whatever reasons they are prejudiced against Mormons. This also is very unsound, as it is both illogical and imprudent.
“You say you will support Romney over BHO even thought they are the same.”
They are not the same. This is more of the poisonous hyperbole that has been going around that is very unhealthy for all of us. We have an election to win, an election that is critical beyond measure, the consequences of failing in this case will be disastrous. This talk does not help.
“You say you are Catholic yet...”
And what have I said that is not Catholic ?
You keep fighting to spread the false claim that Mormons are Christian, you insult and mock your church and Pope with lies.
You evade and ignore direct Catholic rebuttals to your anti-Catholic postings in service to pushing the lie that Mormonism is Christian, and accepted by the Catholic church as such.
“You keep fighting to spread the false claim that Mormons are Christian, you insult and mock your church and Pope with lies.”
There is no doctrine that says that I cannot say that Mormons are Christian. That is NOT grounds for an excommunication !
“You evade and ignore direct Catholic rebuttals to your anti-Catholic postings in service to pushing the lie that Mormonism is Christian, and accepted by the Catholic church as such.”
As above - and none of these say I cannot refer to Mormons as Christian. You can imply what you want based on such statements, but nobody in the church is going to say “Mormons are not Christian, and you can’t say that”.
And where are my postings anti-Catholic ?
The Catholic church is CATHOLIC - outside of doctrine we can have our own opinions.
Did the story completely overblow Romney's role and accomplishments? Yes. Was most of the story about Romney's role a lie? Yes. Are you unwilling to admit that? Yes.
No, but the fact that he didn't individually do all of the things that the article says he did is of significance. Attributing actions to him, individually, that were taken by a group, is a lie. The fact that his campaign or supporters now feel they have to lie, and to inflate Romney's role, is of significance.
I suppose you still believe that Mitt Romney personally called every party Bain did business with in New York.
So you want to believe a puff piece written today to boost Romney's presidential aura more than a contemporaneous newspaper article (the one you called to everyone's attention earlier in this thread as proof that this event happened, by the way; are you now backing away from *your* newspaper article when it doesn't support the most precious facts of the SuperRomney fairy tale?).
By the way, it was a good thing that Romney *and all of the other people at Bain* did.
The issue:
Romney helped in the search in some fashion - yes.
The issue:
was Romney’s roll enhanced - yes.
Lol, it looks like the wheels are coming off your little, anti-Catholic clown car.
What does post 296 tell you? Pope John Paul II says that Mormons are not Christians.
Splitting such hairs only serves to boost support for Romney by causing folks to dig into the story and find the original accounts, which do not need enhancement.
I suppose you still believe that Mitt Romney personally called every party Bain did business with in New York.
Matters every bit as much as whether JFK ever walked on the moon.
So you want to believe a puff piece written today to boost Romney's presidential aura more than a contemporaneous newspaper article (the one you called to everyone's attention earlier in this thread as proof that this event happened, by the way; are you now backing away from *your* newspaper article when it doesn't support the most precious facts of the SuperRomney fairy tale?).
*My* article? LOL! I just needed a link to debunk a specious assertion, so I grabbed the first one I found.
I hope you are joking, Perot's act was a commando operation behind enemy lines, led by one of the most famous commandos in American history.
Mitt's was a rich Mormon Bishop, doing a favor for another rich, high ranking Mormon, to find his runaway teen daughter in New York city.
Do you think that high ranking Mormon's girl is the only teen of all of Mitt's relationships to have run away for a short time?
Don't turn this into heroism, and an Iranian type commando operation, this is every day stuff except on a rich, powerful, Mormon scale, and including the mandatory Romney publicity.
and he makes no claims for his past actions as being heroic, is the sign of a genuine man of honor
You mean that he didn't make a campaign commercial to promote this? He most certainly did, for his 2007 campaign.
How do you say Romney values “child” or has a conscience when he supports abortion?
How do you say Romney is not using this event for personal gain when Robert Gay made commercials (with Romney’s support) in 2008 and will probably do so again?
Did the event happen - yes.
Was Romney involved in some fashion - yes.
Has Romney’s involvement been enhanced - yes.
2007
How about Newt? Do you like a man who has made his living as an influence peddler? Newt is part of the problem. Agreed?
How can any right thinking Christian, conservative or tea party supporter justify voting for Romney?
Free Republic is all in for Newt. He's the Reagan Republican in this race.
IBTZ
Teens running away for three days is a common occurrence in middle and lower income families, Romney helped one powerful, rich, fellow Mormon, has Romney ever duplicated that nice helpful act for his working class, non-Mormon employees?
Why are you so insistent that we vote for Romney, this is the primary, not the general election.
Don’t vote for socialist, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual agenda, anti-Reagan, anti-conservative scum, vote for Newt Gingrich.
I see you are responding to #270.
The 'reason' is found in #273.
I guess you can explain why SO many catholics end up trapped in MORMONism.
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