Posted on 02/07/2012 5:47:20 PM PST by chessplayer
Roughly 6-in-10 Catholics (58%) believe that employers should be required to provide their employees with health care plans that cover contraception. Among Catholic voters, support for this requirement is slightly lower at 52%.
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Nothing has changed since 2008 when 52% of Catholic voters elected Obama.
This is a good thing no matter how it’s cut because at least the Catholic Hypocrites get called out.
And they still can. Entirely separate issue from mandating that churches are required to pay for it in violation of the First Amendment.
Second, for Socialism to be totally dominant it must have the masses devalue life itself. The liberals have won on the new life end of the spectrum, i.e. abortion can be as easy as popping an aspirin, etc. Next is working on the Euthanasia end of the spectrum and then on the disabled and those who don't fit the mold the government sets. See the similarities to the Soviet Union, China, and Hitler's Germany if you don't think this can happen.
People this is not just a Catholic battle. The battle field has been chosen against the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church knows it is in a war for souls. It needs all the help it's brothers and sisters can muster.
Thank God Catholic truth is not up for a vote.
Just as freedom of speech affords speech the government does not like the most protection, so too freedom of religion is designed to protect the religious views the government does not like the most proection.
Popular speech and popular religious views do not need protection.
Health insurance policies which do not cover contraception or abortion are less expensive than those which do. Those people whose insurance does not cover those services can pay for them out of the savings in their premiums.
I imagine studies also show that a significant minority of (cafeteria) Catholic women engage in adultery, as with all religions. Neither fact is relevant to a government compulsion to violate a deeply held religious belief. It is shockingly immoral to compel a faithful and observant Catholic to fund another person's adultery, and it is even more shockingly immoral to compel a faithful and observant Catholic to fund another person's abortion or birth control. I'm not even Catholic, but I'm so disgusted that I see this overreach as casus belli. I would not be on Pelosi/Obama/Reid's side if this led to a civil war. At least to me as with many Catholics, this is not a dumb issue, this is even worse than most of the terrible things that Obama has done in our White House.
A right on post. Good one. They have stepped in it this time.
Thank God Catholic truth is not up for a vote.
Just as freedom of speech affords speech the government does not like the most protection, so too freedom of religion is designed to provide religious views the government does not like the most protection.
Popular speech and popular religious views do not need protection, so the first amendment is not even needed for people wishing to express those views. It is people who express unpopular (or politically disfavored) ideas or religious thoughts who need the first amendment. That is what the founders chose to protect.
Does the Church eject them from the congregation? No?
If the Church doesn’t eject them, then why can’t they call themselves Catholic?
The Church is going to learn a hard lesson here. They’ve been sowing the seeds of their destruction for 40 years by trying to have it both ways.
If the Church has creed and doctrine to which they require adherence to be considered a member, that’s perfectly OK with non-Catholics like me and the US Constitution. The Church is in no way required to accept those who don’t believe in their doctrine or creed, that’s part of the First Amendment (freedom of association also means that one has the right to exclude those with whom one doesn’t wish to associate...) and the Church would be on firm ground to assert this right.
The Church, however, has tried to accept those who wish for the Church to adopt a doctrine and creed that is some fuzzy “consensus” that wishy-washy people want to consider as doctrine, while on the other hand claiming that what this large number of people believe is NOT Church doctrine.
That’s going to bite them and bite them hard. If they’d laid down a hard line in the beginning (the late 60’s) and said “You can believe whatever you want, but if you’re a Catholic, there are some things we *will not accept*, and if you want to believe those things *you are not a Catholic*...” then they’d be on much firmer ground now.
As it is, they’re preaching from a pulpit made of quicksand.
Amen, brother.
The really sad aspect of this business is that the Church ceded much of its moral clout in this venue decades ago, when it muted its opposition to the moral travesties of secular liberals in government as a means of maintaining its influence in the “social justice” racket.
I’d point to two particular features of Church policy back in the ‘70’s that set the table for this debacle: the tolerance of pro-abortion Robert Drinan as a congress-critter, who as a priest gave scandal to Church teachings through his policy positions, and the weasel-worded “seamless garment” argument (especially prominent with my archbishop, Cardinal Bernadin) that undercut the sincere opposition of the faithful to the abortion license.
But you are exactly right, the administration is out to neuter all religious belief it is in conflict with, and all people of faith need to push back.
“”Catholics” who practice contraception are not Catholic.”
Of course they are!
“Once a Catholic always a Catholic
Written by Fr. Randall Weber
Thursday, 25 June 2009 13:32
“Once a Catholic always a Catholic” is a common saying among Catholics. Is it true that once a person is baptized into the Catholic Church or received into it, he or she is always a Catholic? Speaking from a strictly canonical
point of view, the answer is yes. As far as the Catholic Church is concerned, anyone who has ever been a legitimate member of the Catholic Church can never truly leave. Oh, he or she can become a non-practicing Catholic, a “bad” Catholic, or even an excommunicated Catholic, but never a non-Catholic or an ex-Catholic.”
You can check in but never he says check out!
Until the Church excommunicates them and their ilk, it's little more than hot air and borders on hypocrisy.
Unreliable and unscientific exit polls are to the illiterate as smack is to a junkie.
You fail to discern the difference between prudential and dogma.
Exactly!!
LLS
Is that for real?
LLS
Just the cathino’s. Catholic in name only.
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