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EDITORIAL: Obama hijacks the Navy
Washington Times ^ | Feb. 13, 2012 | unsigned editorial

Posted on 02/13/2012 7:59:00 PM PST by Interesting Times

Navy Secretary Ray Mabus is back again using a U.S. Navy warship as a vessel of political pandering. At a hurriedly convened Pentagon ceremony Friday, Mr. Mabus announced that the next littoral combat ship, LCS-11, would be named for former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, Arizona Democrat. Mrs. Giffords recently resigned her congressional seat to focus on recovering from wounds she received in a tragic January 2011 shooting. There are many appropriate ways to honor Mrs. Giffords, but this is not one of them.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gabriellegiffords; johnmurtha; navy; raymabus
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More on the recent efforts by Navy Secretary (and former Democrat governor) Ray Mabus to politicize the naming of U.S. Navy ships. See NoMurthaShip.com to oppose the naming of the Navy's last Transport Dock Ship after John Murtha, the late pork king and slanderer of Marines.
1 posted on 02/13/2012 7:59:09 PM PST by Interesting Times
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To: Howlin; eddie willers; cajungirl; wirestripper; Southflanknorthpawsis; Peach; prairiebreeze; ...

Political hackery ping.


2 posted on 02/13/2012 8:00:55 PM PST by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Interesting Times
and America takes another one in the........

3 posted on 02/13/2012 8:04:48 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Interesting Times; smoothsailing
It is not appropriate to name a U.S. Navy ship after Rep. Gabrielle Giffords though what happened to her is very sad.

Thank you for posting the link to NoMurthaShip.com, it is an absolute travesty that SECNAV Ray Mabus is naming a U.S. Navy ship after the corrupt John Murtha!

4 posted on 02/13/2012 8:07:01 PM PST by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Interesting Times

bookmark


5 posted on 02/13/2012 8:07:38 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Interesting Times

I’m sorry that this woman took a bullet because of a nutcase, but to say that she deserves a ship named after her shows complete disrespect for a time-honored tradition.


6 posted on 02/13/2012 8:11:43 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: jazusamo

The only thing that should be named after Murtha is a Port-a-John pumper truck.


7 posted on 02/13/2012 8:12:36 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Interesting Times

Next we’ll have the USS Barney Frank - accommodates large torpedos.


8 posted on 02/13/2012 8:14:20 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: SandRat

Amen to that!


9 posted on 02/13/2012 8:14:25 PM PST by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Interesting Times

Thank you for the ping. I shall with hold my thoughts, and ask the Heavenly Father to protect our ‘brave’ souls that freely give of themselves to protect US.


10 posted on 02/13/2012 8:16:18 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Interesting Times
Mabus is a 'Rat and an @$$-kissing Obama supporter whose first priority is politicization of the Navy. This is the creep who secretly tape recorded his then first wife speaking to a priest so that he could obtain sole custody of their children.
11 posted on 02/13/2012 8:17:06 PM PST by twister881
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To: Interesting Times
..................”In the past three years, vessels have been named for civil rights activist Medgar Evers, radical migrant labor leader Cesar Chavez and disgraced former Democratic Rep. John P. Murtha...................”

It really seems to me that the Navy is setting itself up for much additional on-board maintenance!

If I were stationed on a ship named “Medgar Evers”; “Cesar Chavez”; or scumbag “John Murtha”; I'd be joining the rest of the crew in pissing all over the deck, the berthing quarters, even the bridge, to confront the injustice!

12 posted on 02/13/2012 8:24:07 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Interesting Times

According to critics, the LCS is under-armed, and severely lacking in anti-missile and anti-air defense. The irony of naming the ship after a gunshot victim will not be missed by those serving aboard her, when the USS Giffords is sent into a dangerous region.


13 posted on 02/13/2012 8:25:19 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: jazusamo; Interesting Times

Jaz, there's 1,890 signatures on the petition. I need to put a boot in Cpt. Bailey's butt, this is going too slow! :o)

14 posted on 02/13/2012 8:26:13 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Interesting Times

As a former sailor and Navy brat, this disturbs me in so many ways.

I understand many people find it odd, but I feel that a ship is much more than the physical components it is built from.

Particularly with warships.

I cannot explain it, but using it as a piece of political candy or a partisan crowbar is offensive in ways other than the obvious.

Ann Coulter once said liberals seem to enjoy lying for the sheer fun or enjoyment of it, just to see how much people will swallow before someone is moved to speak out.

For them, this is a triple crown: They can destroy and demoralize the military, use this as a political tool (for gun control, payback and the like) all while having loads of fun poking conservatives and the military in the eye because they just plain enjoy it.

I once came across a picture of a US Cruiser being broken down for scrap. It’s main guns, were all facing forward and the bridge and superstructure were intact.

The bow back to the main battery was gone.

I know some people just won’t understand, but my first thought was a human face with the nose cut off. It looked completely disfigured, just...wrong. And sad.

When I heard they named this ship after this woman, it hit me the same way, but worse because it was tinged with maliciousness and and intentional disrespect.


15 posted on 02/13/2012 8:26:19 PM PST by rlmorel ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." Winston Churchill)
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To: smoothsailing; Interesting Times

Do it, Smooth. :-)

Maybe more FReepers will sign before you have to though. LOL!


16 posted on 02/13/2012 8:31:44 PM PST by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

LOL, I notice that he did highlight the petition link like I asked him to!

http://www.nomurthaship.com/4.html


17 posted on 02/13/2012 8:39:34 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: jazusamo

>> It is not appropriate to name a U.S. Navy ship after Rep. Gabrielle Giffords though what happened to her is very sad.

Agreed.

A Federal Conservative judge was murdered by the same shooter. Why not name the ship after him?


18 posted on 02/13/2012 8:40:40 PM PST by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: Interesting Times

Once you accepted the USS Vinson, the USS Ford, the USS HW Bush and, yes, the USS Reagan, you made this inevitable.


19 posted on 02/13/2012 8:44:34 PM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: beethovenfan
Next we’ll have the USS Barney Frank - accommodates large torpedos.

And a great big load of seamen!

20 posted on 02/13/2012 8:45:01 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Interesting Times
Obama the ignorant.

You never name a ship after a woman. It's bad luck.

21 posted on 02/13/2012 8:48:55 PM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: Gene Eric; smoothsailing
A Federal Conservative judge was murdered by the same shooter. Why not name the ship after him?

Excellent point, Gene. I'd guess because Mabus is taking his orders from the turkey in the WH.

That looks a lot better, Smooth.

22 posted on 02/13/2012 8:51:40 PM PST by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Interesting Times
Obama has NO respect for any of our country's traditions.
Hopefully he can see his own ‘ship’ sinking fast.
23 posted on 02/13/2012 8:52:19 PM PST by potlatch
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for posting this. Obviously, all new Navy ships will be named for RATS by this administration.


24 posted on 02/13/2012 9:08:49 PM PST by zot
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To: jazusamo; Girlene; 4woodenboats; Grimmy; xzins; smoothsailing; lilycicero; bigheadfred; ...
(( ping ))

Navy Secretary Ray Mabus is back again using a U.S. Navy warship as a vessel of political pandering.

25 posted on 02/13/2012 9:16:13 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping!


26 posted on 02/13/2012 9:45:32 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Jim Noble
USS Vinson, the USS Ford, the USS HW Bush and, yes, the USS Reagan, you made this inevitable.

Or the two Roosevelts? At least Ford, Bush, and Reagan were commanders in chief. Teddy was a volunteer officer in the Spanish American War, and was an assistant SecNav when he resigned to go raise the Rough Riders, and fight with them in Cuba. Ford and Bush were WW-II Navy men, while Reagan was Army Air Corps. (Sure he just made movies, but you go where they send you, and making those training films was a useful contribution, especially for a guy who didn't see all that well.) Vinson was a 25 term representative, who at least was helpful to the war effort in WW-II, and of those mentioned, I think deserved the honor the least.

That said, I'd rather they named carriers after sea battles or previous ships, like Midway and Enterprise. If they must name them after people, then ex Presidents with military service is not a bad standard. (Leaves out Billy Jeff and The Won)

27 posted on 02/13/2012 10:20:10 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Jim Noble
Once you accepted the USS Vinson, the USS Ford, the USS HW Bush and, yes, the USS Reagan, you made this inevitable.

Give me a break. How does a 3 term Congresswoman compare to three Presidents of the United States and a Democrat Congressman who served for over 50 years and is known as "The Father of the Two-Ocean Navy?"

Ford and Bush 41 served overseas in the U S Navy during wartime and Reagan served during WWII in the US Army domestically. Ford and Bush saw combat.

28 posted on 02/13/2012 10:38:00 PM PST by kabar
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To: Interesting Times
Friday, Mr. Mabus announced that the next littoral combat ship, LCS-11, would be named for former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, Arizona Democrat.

Incorrect. USS Gabrielle Giffords will be LCS-10.

LCS-11 will be USS Whitney Houston

29 posted on 02/13/2012 10:38:15 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Society is well governed when the people obey the magistrates, and the magistrates obey the law)
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To: El Gato

In 2001, Roosevelt was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions. The medal is displayed in the Roosevelt Room of the White House. He was the first and, thus far, the only President of the United States to be awarded America’s highest military honor, and the only person in history to receive both his nation’s highest honor for military valor and the world’s foremost prize for peace. His oldest son, Theodore Roosevelt, Jr., would also be awarded the Medal of Honor posthumously, for his actions at Normandy on June 6, 1944.


30 posted on 02/13/2012 10:43:55 PM PST by kabar
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To: smoothsailing

I’m glad you gave the link there. I was on that page and didn’t see it. It’s nearly invisible.


31 posted on 02/14/2012 2:46:17 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Interesting Times

BTTT


32 posted on 02/14/2012 2:52:08 AM PST by E.G.C. (Edward's Soft Rock Playlist: On Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/my_playlists?p=A7A56731DE671E6A)
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To: atc23

I drove by the Queen Mary at Long Beach this weekend. I will be sure to tell them that they should have never named the ship after a woman. Of course the Queen Elizabeth II is also named after a woman.


33 posted on 02/14/2012 3:19:35 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._military_vessels_named_after_women


34 posted on 02/14/2012 3:38:47 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: kabar

The Nobel Peace Prize is the award given to Obama for something or another, and Yassar Arafat for being a terrorist. I don’t think that makes it ‘foremost’.


35 posted on 02/14/2012 3:41:28 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: kabar

I’m not ignorant of the Republican argument for naming CVNs after their partisan heroes.

I’m just sayin’ that those four are to the Democrats like a cross to Dracula, and dragging major fleet units into political combat, to stick a finger in the Democrats’ eyes, was a prideful mistake, which will now have consequences.


36 posted on 02/14/2012 4:07:26 AM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: Jim Noble

In this day & age the politicization of the military makes enlisting truly bizarre, especially when you have The Sultan in office; he’ll never be questioned for attacking anything.

The next town from me just lost a 20 year-old Marine in Afghanistan; he joined when Obama was already in office, probably believed Obama would earn his peace price, and instead he is dead.


37 posted on 02/14/2012 4:30:56 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Interesting Times; mickie
Signed petition and bumped.

C'mon, patriots....do your part!

It takes two seconds and is non-invasive. This is a freep. This is what we're here for, correcto?

Sign up and then come back to bump to keep this thread moving.

Leni

38 posted on 02/14/2012 5:56:44 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Interesting Times
There are so many DEAD soldiers, sailors, marines, & airmen who deserve this honor FAR MORE than Giffords.

This decision disgusts me!

Furthermore, these types of honors should NEVER go to people still alive.

39 posted on 02/14/2012 5:59:13 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: atc23
You never name a ship after a woman. It's bad luck.

HMS Boadicea (fourth of that name)

MN Jeanne d'Arc (third of that name)

Imperatritsa Ekaterina Velikaya (Catherine the Great)


40 posted on 02/14/2012 6:34:48 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Society is well governed when the people obey the magistrates, and the magistrates obey the law)
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To: donmeaker

I agree the Nobel Peace Prize is tainted and political, but that does not change its current status around most of this globe. It is just a sad fact.


41 posted on 02/14/2012 7:41:11 AM PST by kabar
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To: Jim Noble
I’m not ignorant of the Republican argument for naming CVNs after their partisan heroes.

Partisan heroes? First, you seem to overlook the fact that we have currently in the fleet the following ships named after Presidents:

USS George Washington (CVN-73)

USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72)

USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71)

USS Roosevelt (DDG-80)

USS Harry S. Truman (CVN-75)

USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69)

USS John F. Kennedy (CVN-79)

USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) (planned for 2015)

USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23)

USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76)

USS George H. W. Bush (CVN-77)

In the past we have had ships named after Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson, Polk, Van Buren, Grasnt, Hayes, and Wilson. You will notice that the list includes Reps and Dems. So this has nothing to do with partisan politics.

I’m just sayin’ that those four are to the Democrats like a cross to Dracula, and dragging major fleet units into political combat, to stick a finger in the Democrats’ eyes, was a prideful mistake, which will now have consequences.

Sheer nonesense. First, Vinson was a Democrat among the four you listed. And do you think it makes Reps cringe when they hear that the JFK, HST, or FDR named ships are deployed and going into battle? What kind of world do you live in?

The issue here is whether Giffords deserves a ship named after her or not. I don't think she does. This is real political partisanship. I have no problem with JFK, HST, FDR, or Wilson having ships named after them or Carl Vinson for that matter even though he was an avowed segregationist.

42 posted on 02/14/2012 8:04:16 AM PST by kabar
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To: TigersEye; IPWGOP
I’m glad you gave the link there. I was on that page and didn’t see it. It’s nearly invisible.

When the website first went online on Jan. 26th you couldn't tell the word "petition" was an actual live link. It just looked like black type, same as every other word.

At least now the word is highlighted in color and underlined, petition. It's an improvement, but it would be even better if there was a stand alone link in big bold print that said ...

SIGN THE PETITION-CLICK HERE

43 posted on 02/14/2012 9:10:27 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Interesting Times

bttt


44 posted on 02/14/2012 9:16:08 AM PST by hattend (Jesus wants me to make churches pay for abortions. - Barack Obama)
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To: smoothsailing
Yes it would be much better. Old eyes like mine tend not to differentiate colors in small font easily even when I force myself to read it. I suspect that many have already been to the site looking for the petition and gave up like I did.

Fortunately I have the Free Republic advantage. :-)

45 posted on 02/14/2012 2:58:42 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: smoothsailing

Signed it!!!!!


46 posted on 02/14/2012 3:01:32 PM PST by Semper Fi Mom (Mother of a Marine and proud of it! (www.WeSupport Frank.com))
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To: Semper Fi Mom

Fantastic! :)


47 posted on 02/14/2012 4:41:11 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: donmeaker

I didn’t think the Queen Mary was a warship but if you say so. Nice catch.


48 posted on 02/15/2012 2:50:27 PM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

You posted a picture of a gay French ship, a faggy Brit ship and a damn Russian piece of crap and that is comparative to what the US Navy does?

If you say so.


49 posted on 02/15/2012 2:53:56 PM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: atc23

Actually during WWII the Queen Mary was used as a transport ship for Allied soldiers.


50 posted on 02/15/2012 2:55:37 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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