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To: mylife

Maybe the RINOs of NRO realized that Santorum isn’t going to rock the boat too badly when it comes to Washington politics. Even Rush Limbaugh is out of touch on this. If this keeps up, the propaganda war is going to nominate either a RINO in Mittens, or a slightly more conservative Beta Male.

I just can’t bring myself to have the energy or the desire to ever pull the lever for Mittens or Saint Rick. It’s unthinkable to me that we’ll waste a perfectly good opportunity to push for some major reforms thanks to such an openly socialist and vulnerable Democratic President. We can reform the tax structure here. Initiate a flat tax (or, get on a reinvigorated Cain train and make our next fight something in favor of the 999 or the Fair tax), initiate serious reform of social security by embracing the Chilean model, obliterating all the bureaucracy the libs have put in place for years and years...

But, instead conservatives are getting fooled to vote for a Social Conservative who believes in Catholic ideas of Collectivism and government social support. The only thing he does is maintain the system, albeit in a way “favoring” certain industries, but not embracing a truly equitable system. It’s still the same old corruption with the same old progressive tax system with the same old games, rhetoric, and ideas. But hey, he takes cute pictures with his baby, and he’s a good guy! Nevermind that he has no ideas and that the best defense he can come up with is to accuse the other candidates of being worse than he is.

If Saint Rick wins the nomination, I don’t know if he can beat Obama. I myself will never give a vote for mediocrity. I’m sure others will, but I just can’t do it.


14 posted on 02/13/2012 10:46:37 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Apollo5600

From PPP
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/02/santorum-leads-in-michigan.html

Santorum leads in Michigan

Raleigh, N.C. – Rick Santorum’s taken a large lead in Michigan’s upcoming Republican primary. He’s at 39% to 24% for Mitt Romney, 12% for Ron Paul, and 11% for Newt Gingrich.

Santorum’s rise is attributable to two major factors: his own personal popularity (a stellar 67/23 favorability) and GOP voters increasingly souring on Gingrich. Santorum’s becoming something closer and closer to a consensus conservative candidate as Gingrich bleeds support.

Santorum’s winning an outright majority of the Tea Party vote with 53% to 22% for Romney and 10% for Gingrich. He comes close to one with Evangelicals as well at 48% to 20% for Romney and 12% for Gingrich. And he cracks the 50% line with voters identifying as ‘very conservative’ at 51% to 20% for Romney and 10% for Gingrich.

Republican voters aren’t just declining to vote for Gingrich at this point- they don’t even like him anymore. Just 38% have a favorable opinion of him to 47% with a negative one. His numbers are inching back closer to what they were before his surge in the polls began in November.

Michigan is perceived as a state where Romney really has a home field advantage, but only 26% of primary voters actually consider him to be a Michigander while 62% do not. Only 39% have a favorable opinion of George Romney with a 46% plurality having no opinion about him. Romney really doesn’t have some great reservoir of goodwill in Michigan to fall back on.

“Rick Santorum has all the momentum in Michigan right now,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “But it’s important to note that more than 50% of voters say they could change their minds in the next 2 weeks. There’s a lot of room for this race to shift back toward Romney in the coming days.”

PPP surveyed 404 Republican primary between February 10th and 12th. The margin of error for the survey is +/-4.9%. This poll was not paid for or authorized by any campaign or political organization. PPP surveys are conducted through automated telephone interviews. PPP is a Democratic polling company, but polling expert Nate Silver of the New York Times found that its surveys in 2010 actually exhibited a slight bias toward Republican candidates.

Topline results are below. Full results, including crosstabs, can be found here.

Q1 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Newt Gingrich?
Favorable........................................................ 38%
Unfavorable .................................................... 47%
Not sure .......................................................... 15%

Q2 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Ron Paul?
Favorable........................................................ 32%
Unfavorable .................................................... 51%
Not sure .......................................................... 17%

Q3 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Mitt Romney?
Favorable........................................................ 49%
Unfavorable .................................................... 39%
Not sure .......................................................... 12%

Q4 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Rick Santorum?
Favorable........................................................ 67%
Unfavorable .................................................... 23%
Not sure .......................................................... 10%

Q5 Do you consider Mitt Romney to be a
Michigander, or not?
Consider him a Michigander ........................... 26%
Do not ............................................................. 62%
Not sure .......................................................... 12%

Q6 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Clark Durant?
Favorable........................................................ 12%
Unfavorable .................................................... 15%
Not sure .......................................................... 73%

Q7 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Pete Hoekstra?
Favorable........................................................ 52%
Unfavorable .................................................... 18%
Not sure .......................................................... 30%

Q8 If the Republican candidates for Senate were
Scotty Boman, Clark Durant, Gary Glenn,
Randy Hekman, Pete Hoekstra, Peter
Konetchy, Chuck Marino, and Rick Wilson,
who would you vote for?
Scotty Boman ................................................. 6%
Clark Durant.................................................... 9%
Gary Glenn ..................................................... 4%
Randy Hekman ............................................... 2%
Pete Hoekstra................................................. 42%
Peter Konetchy ............................................... 1%
Chuck Marino.................................................. 0%
Rick Wilson..................................................... 1%
Someone else/Undecided............................... 34%

Q9 If the Republican candidates for President
were Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney,
and Rick Santorum, who would you vote for?
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 11%
Ron Paul ......................................................... 12%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 24%
Rick Santorum................................................ 39%
Someone else/Not sure .................................. 13%

Q10 Would you say you are strongly committed to
that candidate, or might you end up supporting
someone else?
Strongly committed to that candidate.............. 47%
Might end up supporting someone else .......... 53%

Q11 Who is your second choice for President?
Newt Gingrich ................................................. 18%
Ron Paul ......................................................... 10%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 17%
Rick Santorum................................................ 18%
Someone else/Not sure .................................. 37%

Q12 If the Republican candidates for President
were just Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, and Rick
Santorum, who would you vote for?
Ron Paul ......................................................... 13%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 27%
Rick Santorum................................................ 48%
Not sure .......................................................... 12%

Q13 Do you consider yourself to be a member of
the Tea Party?
Yes.................................................................. 27%
No ................................................................... 58%
Not sure .......................................................... 15%

Q14 Are you an Evangelical Christian, or not?
Are an Evangelical.......................................... 48%
Are not ............................................................ 52%

Q15 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of George Romney?
Favorable........................................................ 39%
Unfavorable .................................................... 15%
Not sure .......................................................... 46%

Q16 Would you describe yourself as very liberal,
somewhat liberal, moderate, somewhat
conservative, or very conservative?
Very liberal ...................................................... 3%
Somewhat liberal ............................................ 6%
Moderate......................................................... 18%
Somewhat conservative.................................. 35%
Very conservative ........................................... 38%

Q17 If you are a woman, press 1. If a man, press 2.
Woman ........................................................... 55%
Man................................................................. 45%

Q18 If you are a Democrat, press 1. If a Republican,
press 2. If you are an independent or identify
with another party, press 3.
Democrat ........................................................ 4%
Republican...................................................... 70%
Independent/Other.......................................... 26%

Q19 If you are 18 to 45 years old, press 1. If 46 to
65, press 2. If you are older than 65, press 3.
18 to 45........................................................... 26%
46 to 65........................................................... 49%
Older than 65.................................................. 25%

Q20 Are you or is anyone in your household a
member of a labor union?
Yes.................................................................. 24%
No ................................................................... 76%

Q21 Area Code
231.................................................................. 11%
248.................................................................. 12%
269.................................................................. 10%
313.................................................................. 3%
517.................................................................. 8%
586.................................................................. 6%
616.................................................................. 15%
734.................................................................. 10%
810.................................................................. 5%
907.................................................................. 2%
989.................................................................. 17%


17 posted on 02/13/2012 10:48:43 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Apollo5600

Liberals and independents will hate Santorum based on his moral stance and I an not enthused on his big government stance.


18 posted on 02/13/2012 10:52:24 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Apollo5600
If this keeps up,

... the chances that Mitt will be neutered are very good. Then you and I may get our wish at a brokered convention. In the absence of Rick, Mitt wins this in three weeks. If Newt drops out, then a more conservative champion disappears and we are exposed to the risk that Rick may slip and leave the nomination to Mitt. If both Rick and Newt stay in, then the eventual nominee may be either Newt or Gov. Palin. As for NRO, I think that it is clear from their own comments section that even their own muddle-headed editorial board has no clear strategy, much less a potent conspiracy.

33 posted on 02/13/2012 11:33:48 PM PST by Praxeologue
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To: Apollo5600

I’m with you. A vote for either Willard or Dullard would waste the opportunity for real reform of DC.


45 posted on 02/14/2012 2:18:13 AM PST by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: Apollo5600
I myself will never give a vote for mediocrity.

So if you don't get your way you're just going to stay on the sidelines and pout? Or just revel in your proxy vote for Obama?

50 posted on 02/14/2012 3:45:03 AM PST by tbpiper
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