Having women soldiers fight is very different than using civilian women and children as shields.
"The women of this country learned long ago, those without swords can still die upon them. I fear neither death nor pain."
Posted on 02/17/2012 7:39:24 PM PST by red flanker
Excuse me. There are some seriously tough female soldiers in Israel’s army. I know and work with 2 of them.
Women who are called can fight and fight hard. Ever heard of a Mama Grizzly?
China.
> The Israelis took women out of combat positions.
Uh huh. Tell it to the Caracal Battalion.
> I don’t know anything about this woman—except that she’s a Demonrat.
WHAT????
McSally is a REPUBLICAN running for the Arizona congress seat that is being vacated by Giffords.
For the love of all that is holy, I sure wish people would find out the facts before gracing us with their posts.
There was an entire fire crew out West several years ago who were all burned to death in a fast moving brush fire because the men waited for the women—this stuff happens a lot but it's un PC to report it.
Would you wonder about it if the name had been Leigh Anthony instead of Leigh Ann? One would think the testimony of her fellow soldiers would be enough.
> No need to get all crampy Martha. Maybe it would make you feel better to make me a sandwich....but after you fetch me a beer.
Pretty words... you kiss your mom with that mouth? Real men respect women and anyone who serves their Country in the military.
Or maybe you were raised different.
I don't think it would take too many brigades before the hard, hard lesson would be learned and they would come to a screeching halt. When you think of it, even though it isn't right, as American citizens these women think that they have the freedom to fight. How many brave, decent young men would die trying to protect them because they couldn't hold up their end physically, if they were in brigades with the men. How long would it go on, this being covered up because it isn't easy to prove.
If an all woman's brigade went out there and got basically destroyed at least the people who are insisting on doing that which opposes nature and nature's God are the ones that will reap the consequences of their actions, rather than the poor men trying to protect them where they have no business being. And it likely would take just one or two brigades and the whole thing will be in the past.
I don't like the idea of idealistic feminist getting killed out there, but neither do I like the idea of them being mixed in with men who are killed because they are trying to protect them, and having this go on for possibly years.
I am not sure what you mean by a "decision made by a culture" here.
If you mean that there is a Natural Law that says not to put women in harms way, and that both practices are in violation of it, then that is a plausible position.
But, your original comparison seemed to imply that there is not a more serious violation of Natural Law in using the reluctance of an enemy to hurt innocent civilians on either side as a weakness to be exploited. I hope you are not really meaning to imply that?
Yes, I was aware of this, and I definitively do mean that if we allow women in the infantry, they should have to meet the tougher male PT requirements.
Moreover, I suspect it might be more ideal (albeit not sure its practical) to test infantry (llB type) based on being able to march a long distance carrying a lot of weight...since that is the main physical challenge of the job.
I don't understand your comment. Was it sad she felt that she needed to cut her hair off? Yes. Was she ambivalent about it? No. I never said I approved of it (I don't and didn't), just that it happened. I find the idea of women in combat repugnant. FTR my daughter was in a computer MOS that the USMC did away with two years after she got out.
What remark about women? That was a remark about men and how they handle having women in combat situations. Oh, and Colonel, only men can get kicked “in the Jimmy,” too. I resent that sexist threat.
McSally’s face is likely on a poster at Boeing that reads:
“Hurry, because the quality of the meat in the seat is dropping!”
Kicking fellow Republicans in the jimmy is what they are teaching our future national leaders at Harvard, apparently.
If you can’t see the inherent differences between prisons and POW camps, then it’s pretty damn hopeless for ya...
And if you can’t see the difference between a POW camp, run by a Geneva convention compliant nation and one that is not, I’ve got nothing to say to you.
I have a lot of (maybe somewhat disjointed) thoughts on this - Santorum speaks out of both sides of his mouth - he said he supports right to work, yet did not support it overtly as a US Senator from PA because he felt his state didn’t want it - he came to this conclusion not by actually asking his constituancy, but by his desire not to “rock the boat” and possibly alienate some of his union thug constituents. Now - as for McSally - I don’t know much about her other than what I’ve read here. As a retired US Army Airborne Infantry First Sergeant, I can point blank testify (and yeah, I did a tour as an “Equal Opportunity Advisor” - I was DA selected to go to DEOMI - The Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute at Patrick AFB near Cocoa Beach, Florida, then served at Brigade level in the EOA position in Korea - DEOMI was 16 1/2 weeks of politically correct head-warping during which students who fit my profile - white, Protestant, combat arms, rurally backgrounded, pickup truck driving, Wrangler & boot wearing, country / Southern rock listening, conservative.... you get the picture - were indeed Lucifer and were/are directly responsible for everything wrong in all of Creation and that people like me deserved to by eternally damned for all percieved injustices purpetrated against minoritys and/or females ruthlessly and with *oh my goodness* PREJUDICE. Oddly, the assignment - even though utter PC BS - helped vault me into early promotion once I - thank goodness - returned to the Infantry where I belonged. The “system” worked against itself). Karma? Maybe. What goes around. comes around. Anyway - I do not KNOW McSally. But I DID witness commissioned officers (ususally “ring knockers” -West Pointers) pull ALL sorts of stunts - captains being handed blank award reccomendation sheets by LTCs and being told to write up their own awards (reminds me of Kerry the cut-my-finger Purple Heart recipient). Senior Noncommissioned Officers being routinely and gleefully thrown under the bus to take the blame for their commissioned superiors’ errors and indescretions. Captains who couldn’t get a command anywhere else taking command of Basic Training companies with the mind set that they HAD to destroy at least one Drill Sergeant’s career to be a “success”. And yes, gender came into play (thankully, not in the Infantry - at least yet). There came a “NEED” to place females into very prominent command positions. Navy Captain Holly Graf was one such. Her gross incompetance and utter lack of leadership ability is the stuff of legend. Yet, because of her PLUMBING, she was “fast tracked”. McSally? I’ll read more - although in my dotage, I no longer believe everything I read - ESPECIALLY when it is written by a PC career-climbing weasel. If McSally is a Republican, she might be trying to “flex” for potential voters. I truly admire strong conservative women - I’d follow Sarah through Hell - she’s a LEADER. I am not in the least threatened by her gender. McSally, it appears, is trying to make her gender the issue - perhaps her gender is what got her the cushy and/or career ticket-punching assignments and “honorary” degrees, etc. And remember - Giffords - and it IS an abomination that the creep shot her - and he was NOT a “right winger” - was a turncoat. A former Republican who switched parties in order to get re-elected. (Her totally WHIPPED PC hubby is an embarassment to his uniform, BTW). I don’t care for “Slick Rick” Santorum, but I’ve mad up my mind to vote for WHOEVER has the best shot at defeating B. HUSSEIN Obama. I’ll hold my nose and cast my ballot in November accordingly. (An Allen West/ Sarah Palin ticket would have been awesome). Anyway, I am naturally suspicious of females with chips on their shoulders. McSally looks like that kind. I am no longer subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice - the UCMJ. As such, I no longer am required to address jackasses as “Sir”. I have excercised that prerogative with relish on several occasions when visiting commissaries and having cause to redress rude, boorish behavior on the part of some. OK - the subject was McSally - I will check it out.
we would be putting women in front to protect whoever is behind.
What you said:
a more serious violation of Natural Law in using the reluctance of an enemy to hurt innocent civilians on either side as a weakness to be exploited.
You could make the case that, as a military doctrine, having babies in strollers as your shock troops, with which you seek to make the enemy pause, paralyzed by his conscience as you shoot him, is worse than presenting the enemy with what I would term "female human shields with weapons," at whom the enemy is free to shoot.
What I'm saying is that they're both human shields. With the strollers, you're trying to make him stop shooting to save your butt. With the GI Janes, you're letting him shoot at the girls, to reduce your chances of getting shot.
The moral culpability differs in degree, because in the first case, we're manipulating any good conscience the enemy possesses. But within our own society, the crime is the same. It's offering virgins to the dragon. It's cowardly and evil to take the things that God gave us to protect, and throw them before the enemy.
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