Women Are Still Being Judged for Not Taking Their Husbands' Last Names

The Atlantic Wire ^ | Jen Doll

[ConservativeStatement]

Right now in the most of the developed world, it could be argued, women are considered about as "equal" to men as they have ever been. And yet, countering any "We've come a long way, baby"-type sentiment you might cheer about (intelligence in a woman is now considered by men to be more important than being pleasant and a good housekeeper; France is doing away with the term "mademoiselle"), there are deep, abiding problems that we're still working through. Some, like birth control access, are matters of health and freedom, while others are more "semantic," though no less problematic.

[Just mythoughts]

SOmeone I know was trying to prove that his great grandfather was Cherokee. Turns out his great grandfather knew about the rolls, but being a proud Cherokee refused to sign. So if your ancestors are not on the rolls then that may be frustrating, but it should be considered an honor.

All I know is what my grandmother told me as a child. Her grandmother was a 'full blood' Cherokee. NOW I had no clue what it meant to contact the record keepers of the Cherokee after the 'trail of tears', but I was basically rebuffed that IF the name was NOT on the rolls then I was NOT entitled to '$$$$$", which was NOT the purpose of my inquiry.

I wanted to know about this woman and it has NOTHING to do with taking anything from a man or a child.

[bondserv]

A man can impregnate 100 women in as many days.

More like 20 days, fewer if they are real hotties.

Wilt, is that you? aka ansel12-Chamberlain :-)

[Jack Hydrazine]

What happens when to children who grow up with hyphenated names decide to marry each other? Do you end up with four hyphenated names?

What’s your name?

Joe Bob Smith-Jones-Johnson-Miller!

And what if two children each with four hyphenated names grow up and marry?

What’s your name?

John Robert Smith-Jones-Johnson-Miller-Williams-Brown-Davis-Wilson.

Let’s outlaw of hyphenated Americans and hyphenated marriages!

[Nepeta]

IT has NOTHING to do with NOT getting married. Think what you want. AND I never said that I was against the 'taking' of the man's name. However, it sure would be helpful IF the woman's name were recorded for the sake of locating them in the record books.... geeeeeeeze I am the '.....nista?

Alas, some people are quick to condemn without knowing anything much about you.

[bert]

The correct descriptive is pretentious feminist trash

[driftdiver]

“This notion that women are chattel for a man is primeval”

Your use of the word chattel shows you don’t understand the concept in the slightest.

[Just mythoughts]

Technically, women don’t have last names. A woman’s name always comes from a man. Your name is actually your father’s name. Your mother has no name (chattel?). Your father’s name is his father’s, which came at the expense of his mother, and on and on. I think that is why many women use their birth surname as their middle name when they marry, for the purposes of the genealogy. It’s great to be proud of your last name, but it is the last name of a man.

I do NOT disagree with you. BUT for record keeping purposes the woman's father's name has NOT always been recorded. AND since the 'father's name is what gets recorded then there is much missing in the record books.

My comments nor my post has anything to do with uprooting 'tradition'. AND I still stand by my first comment, it seems to me to be honest to the offspring they should have a 'clue' into both sides of their heritage.

[Repeal The 17th]

I personally know a guy and gal who both took each others hyphenated last name.
For instance Sue Jones became Sue Jones-Smith and Bob Smith became Bob Smith-Jones.
I wondered what name their kids would have, but they never had any.

[Just mythoughts]

Your use of the word chattel shows you don’t understand the concept in the slightest.

Then you give me the proper term that dismisses the heritage of woman.

[Jack Hydrazine]

It’s only the Feministas that associate patrilineal surnames with women and chattel.

[Bob]

...the woman can cheat and become impregnated by “Dick.”

Well, isn't that normally the case? :=)

[Nepeta]

Women still need men to tell them to get out of a stuck car they drove onto railroad even while a train traveling at 55mph is barreling down on them.

Witlessness is not gender specific, except in 1950s sitcoms.

There was a local case of a guy pushing a stroller onto a train track this week. He and the child were both killed.

[forgotten man]

In all of the Latin American countries a woman continues to go by the name of her father after she gets married. In formal circumstances she adds “de” followed by her husband name, but at work everybody calls her by her father’s name. For example, the president of Argentina is Kristina Fernandez. Sometimes she is referred to as Kristina Fernandez de Kirchener.

[driftdiver]

“Then you give me the proper term that dismisses the heritage of woman.”

term that dismisses the heritage?

freudian slip?

Chattel denotes property. Women aren’t property, at least in Christian tradition.

[Krankor]

Well, at least you didn’t threaten me.

[Just mythoughts]

It’s only the Feministas that associate patrilineal surnames with women and chattel.

Excuse me? I would not know what the Feministas associate. Chattel is what it is. To ignore the heritage of the woman is a disservice to the offspring.

[Jack Hydrazine]

When it comes to cars women are more witless than men behind the wheel. This is based on my experience of driving about 750,000 miles.

[daler]

LOL.

I was just thinking that, were I still a young man and my fiance' were to insist on keeping her maiden name, I would promptly, and firmly, grant her wish...as I sent her down the road.

[Just mythoughts]

term that dismisses the heritage? freudian slip? Chattel denotes property. Women aren’t property, at least in Christian tradition.

And you wish to tell me that women have NOT been considered property, even with some claiming the Christian tradition.... I am so reminded of that book of Ruth.

[sauropod]

...because of my ancestry searches I keep hitting dead ends because the woman's lineage disappears unless there is special care to record her family.

The main problem I have found in cases like this is the timeframe of the records you are looking at. I have run into this with an ancestor that died in 1867. I don't know her maiden name, but her husband was a pioneer settler in Ohio in the early 1800s. He had a very common first name for the time period and I am left trying to sort out who is who without good records.

So I think I am understanding what you are saying.