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Ethicists Argue for Post Birth Abortions
NC Register ^ | February 27, 2012 | Matthew Archbold

Posted on 02/27/2012 3:11:38 PM PST by NYer

In the Journal of Medical Ethics, two ethicists argue plainly for the killing of babies post birth. They’re not hedging their bets. They’re saying it plain and simple. And I, for one, thank them for it.

Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva, associated respectively with Monash University, in Melbourne, Australia, and with the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics, in the UK, wrote a piece called “After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?”

I could buy the article for $30 and I was close to doing it but then I thought why am I giving these animals my money. I’d essentially be paying these “ethicists” to write more about the right of killing humans.

So, in the “abstract” that’s available for free at the site, it says:

Abortion is largely accepted even for reasons that do not have anything to do with the fetus’ health. By showing that (1) both fetuses and newborns do not have the same moral status as actual persons, (2) the fact that both are potential persons is morally irrelevant and (3) adoption is not always in the best interest of actual people, the authors argue that what we call ‘after-birth abortion’ (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled.

Here’s the thing - they’re right. If you accept their premises, they’re absolutely right.

The second we allow ourselves to become the arbiters of who is human and who isn’t, this is the calamitous yet inevitable end. Once you say all human life is not sacred, the rest is just drawing random lines in the sand.

An ethicists job is like a magician’s. The main job of both is to distract you from the obvious.

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KEYWORDS: abortion

1 posted on 02/27/2012 3:11:45 PM PST by NYer
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To: NYer

How about starting with themselves?


2 posted on 02/27/2012 3:14:25 PM PST by AirForceMom (Molon Labe)
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To: NYer

These monsters must not be allowed to call killing a baby after it is born an “abortion.”

It’s murder, infanticide, pure and simple.


3 posted on 02/27/2012 3:18:05 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: NYer

Why should these authors live?


4 posted on 02/27/2012 3:22:10 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: AirForceMom

I agree. If you accept their post-birth abortion premise, then why should there be an age-limit on who can be post-aborted. After all, everyone currently living can be considered “post-birth”.


5 posted on 02/27/2012 3:22:54 PM PST by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: NYer

Others who Argued for Post Birth Abortions:

1) Hitler
2) Margret Sanger when referring to Holder’s people
3) Stalin
4) Barrack Obama
5) Jim Jones
6) Pol Pot
7) the KKK when referring to Holder’s people
8) Satanists
9) Castro
10) the Democrat party


6 posted on 02/27/2012 3:23:47 PM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
They throw around this term “potential person” like it’s a real thing. As if it’s science. But there’s no such thing as potential persons. It’s anti-science. There’s defenseless people. Maybe that’s what they mean. In fact, isn’t that really the point. There’s defenseless people and indefensible ethicists.

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7 posted on 02/27/2012 3:25:23 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

Saint Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle; be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, O prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into Hell, Satan and all the other evil spirits, who prowl throughout the world, seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.


8 posted on 02/27/2012 3:27:03 PM PST by paterfamilias
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To: NYer

“[Without] a clear boundary to confer personhood on a human being ... we approach a slippery slope that ends in the disposal of inconvenient people”
—Stephen Pinker


9 posted on 02/27/2012 3:29:57 PM PST by denydenydeny (The more a system is all about equality in theory the more it's an aristocracy in practice.)
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To: NYer

speechless ........


10 posted on 02/27/2012 3:34:34 PM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: NYer

Peter Singer [Princeton] on post birth abortions

. . . you suggest that it’s OK to kill a baby before it’s 28 days old, because until that time, it is not self-aware and “doesn’t have the same right to life as others . . .

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2354052/posts


11 posted on 02/27/2012 3:36:05 PM PST by donna (The United States Constitution and the Koran are mutually exclusive.)
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To: NYer

here’s a page that covers more of their arguments:

http://contemplans.wordpress.com/


12 posted on 02/27/2012 3:39:28 PM PST by MNDude
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To: donna

I’ve read here and there that there are some medical ethicists who propose up to two or three years after a child is born in which a post-birth abortion should be legal.

The mentally insane worshipers of death are doggedly determined to rid the planet of all human beings.


13 posted on 02/27/2012 3:43:08 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: NYer

These “ethicists” are reprobates with no natural affections. They have hardened their hearts toward God and Life. How can someone justify killing a baby after it has left the womb and not see it as murder? And they are wrong about the baby not having the same moral status and one day they will face their Maker and be reminded of what they already knew.


14 posted on 02/27/2012 3:44:18 PM PST by Malinse (Francisco d' Aconia)
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To: Malinse

Its murder in the womb also. These so called ethicists are merely taking the next logical pro choice step.


15 posted on 02/27/2012 3:48:46 PM PST by HerrBlucher (.)
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To: NYer
no problem... start with ALL the RATS in government
16 posted on 02/27/2012 3:53:42 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: NYer

The Greeks did post-birth abortions by taking the undesirable child out to remote place and leaving them there. Then the wolves, coyotes or other predators would do the rest.


17 posted on 02/27/2012 3:54:19 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Peter Singer Joins Obama’s Health Care Administrators August 11th, 2009

Singer Says Full Moral Status Not Earned by Babies “Until After 2 Years”

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2010/11/23/peter-singer-says-full-moral-status-not-earned-by-babies-until-after-2-years/


18 posted on 02/27/2012 3:57:20 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: NYer

“Obama health care, Glenn Beck, Ezekiel Emanuel, Complete lives system, Ages 15 to 40 get most substantial chance, Sunstein, Focus on life years rather than lives”

August 11, 2009

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/08/11/obama-health-care-glenn-beck-ezekiel-emanuel-complete-lives-system-ages-15-to-40-get-most-substantial-chance-sunstein-focus-on-life-years-rather-than-lives/


19 posted on 02/27/2012 4:00:32 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: NYer

Beyond Evil


20 posted on 02/27/2012 4:01:37 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Regulator; All

I’m really not surprised that we are reaching this “plateau” of decadence.

After all...it is NOT like it has not happened before. Live—birth “abortions” HAVE happened—though it is NOT “accepted”, like “normal” abortions. I recall in 1981 or so, when I was a teen—a movie called”choices” or such—that was about a number of “women” (if one can call them that...) who were having abortions...and ONE of them FULLY delivered the baby—and the “nurse” picked it up and DUMPED it into a BUCKET!!—and carried if off somewhere. Shortly after this—the “”animal”(my term for the “mother”), REGRETTED her decision—and wanted her baby back alive—of course...it was WAY too late by then.

Also...I recall over the years, as far back as 30 years or so ago...that infanticide was predicted by a number of “prophets” I heard speak, in my church, on the radio, etc. Most of them figured if this DID begin to be “accepted” that gericide(killing of the elderly) and general euthanasia was not far behind.

And about 30 years later.....HERE WE ARE.

What next??

We are “up against it” people. The alarm bell is ringing SO loudly!!

But few can even hear it. Their “minds are dead”..from the hedonistic, twisted immoral lives they live.

Like the Christian rock group Petra said about 30 years ago, in the song “angel of Light”.....”they follow in your footsteps like no one ever fell...bumper -to-bumper on a freeway to HELL”. (”your” referring to Satan).

It is about 1937 Germany all over again... and the trains are COMING!!


21 posted on 02/27/2012 4:09:52 PM PST by Rca2000 ( Most Americans know more about "American idol" than about the american FLAG...)
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To: Le Chien Rouge; wagglebee; little jeremiah
Don't forget the contemporary "crier" - Pete Singer.

In 1993, ethicist Peter Singer shocked many Americans by suggesting that no newborn should be considered a person until 30 days after birth and that the attending physician should kill some disabled babies on the spot. Five years later, his appointment as Decamp Professor of Bio-Ethics at Princeton University ignited a firestorm of controversy, though his ideas about abortion and infanticide were hardly new. In 1979 he wrote, “Human babies are not born self-aware, or capable of grasping that they exist over time. They are not persons”; therefore, “the life of a newborn is of less value than the life of a pig, a dog, or a chimpanzee.”
Peter Singer's Bold Defense of Infanticide

I can't read any further. The article makes me physically nauseous.

22 posted on 02/27/2012 4:18:35 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

Monstrous. Absolutely monstrous.


23 posted on 02/27/2012 4:27:25 PM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: NYer

These ethicists argue that I should abandon the ethics that have guided me to date.

If I do, I will have no need for ethicists.

Since these ethicists then will produce nothing of value to me, they will then lack personhood as I define it so it is ethical for me to kill them.

Torturing them to death could provide some entertainment for me so that is the course I will take.


24 posted on 02/27/2012 4:29:04 PM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: NYer
This is the philosophy of eugenics and has nothing to do with Western ethics.
25 posted on 02/27/2012 4:32:56 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: NYer
Let's hope Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva are as inept with their safety habits as they are with the moral fabric of society. Or, have surrounded themselves with those of their ilk who would think nothing of homicide for a little redistribution of professor money.
26 posted on 02/27/2012 4:33:42 PM PST by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: NYer

Have you ever noticed that when “ethicists” are quoted it is always to promote something unethical?

...

How long before opposing infanticide is denounced in the MSM as a war on women??


27 posted on 02/27/2012 4:39:10 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: FrdmLvr

Why an age limit indeed?

Philip K. Dick’s anti-Roe v. Wade short-story “The Pre-Persons” had the dystopian vision of an America in which anyone who couldn’t do simple algebra was subject to “abortion”, precisely as a reductio ad absurdum of this sort of demonic causistry.


28 posted on 02/27/2012 4:50:16 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: GeronL

When the Canadian Supreme Court struck down Canada’s abortion laws back in the 80’s, one of the female judges, Bertha Wilson, was of the opinion that abortion should be permitted for any reason that would interfere with a woman’s “aspirations”. That sort of thinking goes beyond any sort of medical justification and is the very mentality which underlies the horrors which these monsters want to inflict on the innocents. Once a group of judges or politicians decide that they can determine a class of human beings are unworthy of life, then they can determine that any class of human beings are unworthy of life. Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and Communist China are all proof of that reality. And, sadly, so to is the US, Canada and most of Europe.


29 posted on 02/27/2012 4:52:51 PM PST by littleharbour
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To: GeronL

When the Canadian Supreme Court struck down Canada’s abortion laws back in the 80’s, one of the female judges, Bertha Wilson, was of the opinion that abortion should be permitted for any reason that would interfere with a woman’s “aspirations”. That sort of thinking goes beyond any sort of medical justification and is the very mentality which underlies the horrors which these monsters want to inflict on the innocents. Once a group of judges or politicians decide that they can determine a class of human beings are unworthy of life, then they can determine that any class of human beings are unworthy of life. Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and Communist China are all proof of that reality. And, sadly, so to is the US, Canada and most of Europe.


30 posted on 02/27/2012 4:53:00 PM PST by littleharbour
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To: NYer

Hum..... can we try it out on them first? See how it goes?


31 posted on 02/27/2012 4:55:06 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: NYer

Carousel begins...

32 posted on 02/27/2012 4:55:06 PM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: NYer
Peter Singer's legacy.

The other evil besides murder that happens with abortion is eugenics. After WWII pushed it to the back burner, it is BACK. I'm sure "post birth" abortion would be pushed on say those with birth defects, Down's Syndrome, gay genes (if true), Cerebal Palsy, and I can go down the list. That's what these people want - to eliminate those people. In their minds, their lives aren't worth living.

I don't always agree with Sarah Palin, but she has my respect on the life issue. She lives it. The media and leftists had it out for her for one reason. She kept a Down's baby and exposed abortion for what it is not just by talk, but action.

33 posted on 02/27/2012 5:00:10 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Stop Romney - Rick Santorum in the Michigan primary)
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To: littleharbour

bump


34 posted on 02/27/2012 5:08:41 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: The_Reader_David

I was just about to post about PK Dick’s Pre-Persons.


35 posted on 02/27/2012 5:17:51 PM PST by machman
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To: NYer
Retroactive abortion should be legal up to age 47 (I'm 48)


Legally abortable fetus Minerva

36 posted on 02/27/2012 5:20:04 PM PST by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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