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Santorum's emphasis on his Christianity is not good for democracy
The Baltimore Sun ^ | February 27, 2012 | Faheem Younus

Posted on 02/27/2012 4:33:07 PM PST by presidio9

Watching Rick Santorum rise in the polls by positioning himself as the real Christian presidential candidate is like watching the sequel of a horror movie — one I literally lived through in the 1980s while growing up in Pakistan. There, another religious zealot, Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, played the lead role of the real Muslim.

The plot went like this: The clerics called for candidates with "true" Muslim values, the masses demanded a "Muslim candidate for a Muslim state," the leaders proved their "Muslimness" by quoting scripture and calling others lesser Muslims, and the candidate who was able to appease the clergy privately and please the masses publicly held on to power. The never-ending horror in the name of religion is what followed in Pakistan.

A somewhat similar fusion of church and candidate is apparent in this Republican primary season, where nearly every Republican candidate — except Ron Paul, who would not and Mitt Romney, who could not — has been a rabble-rouser, playing the religion card to rally the conservative Christian base.

Since I have seen a secular country morphing into a theocracy at the hands of a religious fanatic, trust me when I tell you: The aggressive display of theology in our political discourse by the Republican Party in general and Rick Santorum in particular is chipping away at the Jeffersonian wall of separation between church and state.

Realize, though, that I do want to hear what my candidates believe in — what shapes them, what riles them, what motivates them. But that is different than saying, "At the end of the day, I'd rather have a president who worships the same God as I do." (A voter in South Carolina actually said that to a New York Times reporter.)

While Article Six of the United States Constitution provides

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To: Toespi
Ok so you are a student of politics huh? Well then you are out of my league. I’m a Catholic and I also think JFK was overrated, however I found Santorum’s statement in wanting to “throw up,” was reckless, classless and unnecessary. But then again you are the expert.

From unwarranted sarcasm of your answer, I think I see your problem. You are the type of person who makes a cursory review of statements and then passes superficial judgement.

For example, I presented myself as a student of politics, not an authority. And I identified myself a Catholic, not an expert.

Likewise, the idea that a Catholic can completely exclude his religious beliefs from his descision making process is ridiculous. Would you have preferred that Santorum point out the obvious: Either JFK was lying to gain favor with his Baptist audience, or he was not sincere in his Catholicism?

For example: If you are a politician working to preserve abortion rights, Nancy Pelosi for example, the Church teaches us that you have excommunicated yourself latae sententiae. Until this has been corrected, you can go to daily Mass, carry around a Rosary, and name your kids after Saints. You are still not in Communion with the Church and are therefore not a Catholic. No matter what you choose to call yourself. Catholicism is a daily choice, not an ethnicity.

41 posted on 02/27/2012 7:05:49 PM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: Toespi; katiedidit1
Good for you. I will write in Newt Gingrich.

Incidently, there has been no greater cheerleader for Newt Gingrich on this website than yours truely.

But not to the point of making baseless attacks on other candidates.

42 posted on 02/27/2012 7:08:43 PM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: presidio9

Faheem wants more emphasis on Islam?


43 posted on 02/27/2012 7:10:10 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: presidio9

It is no exaggeration to say that on Sundays in Washington during the administrations of Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) and of James Madison (1809-1817) the state became the church. Within a year of his inauguration, Jefferson began attending church services in the House of Representatives. Madison followed Jefferson’s example, although unlike Jefferson, who rode on horseback to church in the Capitol, Madison came in a coach and four.

Worship services in the House—a practice that continued until after the Civil War—were acceptable to Jefferson because they were nondiscriminatory and voluntary.

Preachers of every Protestant denomination appeared. (Catholic priests began officiating in 1826.) As early as January 1806 a female evangelist, Dorothy Ripley, delivered a camp meeting-style exhortation in the House to Jefferson, Vice President Aaron Burr, and a “crowded audience.” Throughout his administration Jefferson permitted church services in executive branch buildings. The Gospel was also preached in the Supreme Court chambers.
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06-2.html


44 posted on 02/27/2012 7:11:36 PM PST by donna (The United States Constitution and the Koran are mutually exclusive.)
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To: presidio9
Santorum's emphasis on his Christianity is not good for democracy

But Obama's f'ed up Chrislam theology is perfectly fine, right?!

45 posted on 02/27/2012 7:11:44 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Wife of D28Man

Once The Lewinski entered the jargon of socially acceptable performance in the Oval Office, you could figure the societal decay was pretty advanced.

Satan doesn’t give up gained territory easily, but there is One whom he will give in to.


46 posted on 02/27/2012 7:17:12 PM PST by itsahoot (Much easier to tear down a building, than to build one. Bigger mess though.)
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To: presidio9

I don’t make “baseless” attacks. I point out facts.
GO NEWT!


47 posted on 02/27/2012 7:21:57 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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>> Santorum's emphasis on his Christianity is not good for democracy

More bogus twisting of Santorum's candicay.

We shall not deny Christ!

>> "At the end of the day, I'd rather have a president who worships the same God as I do." (A voter in South Carolina actually said that to a New York Times reporter.)

OMG, the horror...

Departing momentarily from my pro Newt campaign position, Go Rick! Don't tolerate this kind of disparagement!


48 posted on 02/27/2012 7:22:33 PM PST by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: cripplecreek
What it all oils down to:

The Left is deeply frightened by any mention of God.

And I don't blame them.

49 posted on 02/27/2012 7:24:12 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: cripplecreek
What it all boils down to:

The Left is deeply frightened by any mention of God.

And I don't blame them.

50 posted on 02/27/2012 7:24:31 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: presidio9

Stop your crap. I don’t appreciate being “talked down to,” about my religion or beliefs. I call myself a catholic and the only being that will ever have the power to judge my faith and intent is Jesus Christ. Your post reminds me of a Rick Santorum stump speech.


51 posted on 02/27/2012 7:24:57 PM PST by Toespi
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To: okie01
And I don't blame them.

They have good reason to fear.

Any man can face down the devil if he has faith in God. Even the devil fears a godly mortal.
52 posted on 02/27/2012 7:33:09 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek
It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.

Pretty much true. Even if Jesus turns out to be a fraud, there is still a need for respect for authority.

Once a belief's tenets are shown to be false, it's finished....Muslim or Christian.

Anarchy follows.

53 posted on 02/27/2012 7:33:19 PM PST by stboz
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To: Toespi; presidio9

“There is sin and evil in the world, and we’re enjoined by Scripture and the Lord Jesus to oppose it with all our might.” - Ronald Reagan, Evil Empire speech

http://www.nationalcenter.org/ReaganEvilEmpire1983.html


54 posted on 02/27/2012 7:44:56 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: A Navy Vet
The Crusades were a series of wars undertaken to defend Christianity and Western Civilization. The Muslims had all but conquered Europe.
55 posted on 02/27/2012 7:52:19 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: Toespi
Stop your crap. I don’t appreciate being “talked down to,” about my religion or beliefs. I call myself a catholic and the only being that will ever have the power to judge my faith and intent is Jesus Christ. Your post reminds me of a Rick Santorum stump speech.

I am not talking down to you. I am reminding you of facts. For example, we don't get to pick which aspects of Catholicism we find convenient and throw away the rest. We either follow the rules as presented to us, or we can invent our own religion, which is similiar to Catholicism, but not the same thing. This may make you feel uncomfortable, but shooting the messanger won't change the facts.

56 posted on 02/27/2012 7:53:33 PM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

Somewhere in that speech I am sure Ronald Reagan must have also expressed that JFK made him “throw up.”


57 posted on 02/27/2012 7:55:40 PM PST by Toespi
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To: katiedidit1
I don’t make “baseless” attacks. I point out facts.

Not accusing you of anything, just looking for a character referrence. I believe my support of Newt Gingrich speaks for itself.

That being said, after Michigan and Arizona, either Rick or Newt must go or we're going to be stuck with Romney. That I can not tolerate.

58 posted on 02/27/2012 7:56:28 PM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: katiedidit1
I don’t make “baseless” attacks. I point out facts.

Not accusing you of anything, just looking for a character referrence. I believe my support of Newt Gingrich speaks for itself.

That being said, after Michigan and Arizona, either Rick or Newt must go or we're going to be stuck with Romney. That I can not tolerate.

59 posted on 02/27/2012 7:56:54 PM PST by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: Toespi

I’m a Catholic, and I also give a barf for JFK!


60 posted on 02/27/2012 8:03:48 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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