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Big Oil and Tax Breaks (Are Big Oil companies sucking money out of the Federal Treasury?)
American Thinker ^ | 03/08/2012 | Randall Hoven

Posted on 03/08/2012 6:44:09 AM PST by SeekAndFind

To hear the president and Democrats talk, you'd think that Big Oil was sucking the Treasury dry with huge subsidies. Almost a year ago I wrote about the federal government's "subsidies" to Big Oil. I said then, "They are all tax 'breaks'... about $4.3 billion per year -- about 0.2% of this year's deficit and enough to fund about 10 hours of current US government spending." I was wrong.

The tax breaks for all fossil fuels was not $4.3B in 2011. It was only $2.5B -- about 0.19% of that year's deficit, and enough to fund only six hours of U.S. government spending. The source for such heresy? The Congressional Budget Office.

Just to be clear, that $2.5B was not just for Big Oil, but also for Big Coal and Big Gas: all fossil fuels. Here, more exactly, are those subsidies, in the CBO's words.

"Expensing of exploration and development costs for oil and natural gas." ($0.8B) "Option to expense 50% of qualified property used to refine liquid fuels." ($0.8B) "Option to expense investment costs on the basis of gross income rather than on production." ($0.9B) I can't say I understand those "subsidies." Is exploration not supposed to be a cost of doing business for an oil company? Who is to say these expenses are not legitimate costs? But let's take the CBO's word for it that these are, for some reason, "subsidies."

Let's compare those subsidies to other energy subsidies. The CBO has a chart.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigoil; subsidies; tax; treasury

1 posted on 03/08/2012 6:44:13 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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2 posted on 03/08/2012 6:44:55 AM PST by SeekAndFind (question)
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3 posted on 03/08/2012 6:45:34 AM PST by SeekAndFind (question)
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To: SeekAndFind

Facts just never seem to get in the way of Democrat talking points.


4 posted on 03/08/2012 6:50:58 AM PST by Bearshouse
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To: Bearshouse

Facts, and consistency, never seem to get in the way of the Democrat AGENDA.


5 posted on 03/08/2012 6:55:21 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Bearshouse

Tax breaks aside, they’re still paying huge (spelled H-U-G-E)
taxes.


6 posted on 03/08/2012 6:56:00 AM PST by chiller ( Elect another batch of TPartiers and it won't matter which R we elect. WE will lead.)
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To: SeekAndFind
In a May, 2011 report by Congressman Daryl Issa (R-CA) entitled, “Rising Energy Costs: An International Result of Government Action”, he cites Former Congressman Harold Ford, Jr. (D-TN), on why the Administration falsely labeled 199 a “subsidy” specifically for oil and gas companies. “Why, when gas prices are climbing, would any elected official call for new taxes on energy? And characterizing legitimate tax credits as ‘subsidies’ or ‘loopholes’ only distracts from substantive treatment of these issues. Lawmakers misrepresent the facts when they call the manufacturing deduction known as Section 199—passed by Congress in 2004 to spur domestic job growth—a ‘subsidy’ for oil and gas firms. The truth is that all U.S. manufacturers, from software producers to filmmakers and coffee roasters, are eligible for this deduction.”

Obama Administration Plans To Eliminate Yesterday's Energy

7 posted on 03/08/2012 7:01:46 AM PST by TheWriterTX (All in now for Newt Gingrich)
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To: SeekAndFind; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; ...
Oil companies pay HUGE amounts of taxes, unlike many who got the Obama tax credit. He is trying to appeal to those that envy others making money. And most of those relaively small 'tax credits' are incentives to drill here in the US to create jobs here and export more from here.

Logically raising taxes on oil companies to lower gas prices makes little sense, but when you start talking about deficit reduction with entitlement reform as Republicans did last year, the idea of raising taxes on anything or anyone unusually successful becomes appealing to many voters. This is a simple rule that Republicans ignore at their own peril

FNC Liberal O Reilly wants a law to prohibit export of domestically produced oil. This is as brilliant as his ethanol idea he pushed about 5 or so years ago.

8 posted on 03/08/2012 7:05:18 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free' ")
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To: thackney

Ping.


9 posted on 03/08/2012 7:05:26 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: chiller

Let’s see if I get this ...

Here’s how my dictionary defines SUBSIDY:

SUBSIDY: Grants of money, especially governmental, to aid private undertakings.

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So, If government GIVES your business money from tax payers, it is a subsidy.

If government does not take more money from your business, it is also a subsidy?

Aren’t we giving additional meaning to the word now?


10 posted on 03/08/2012 7:06:53 AM PST by SeekAndFind (question)
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To: SeekAndFind

I would like a comparison of the so called subsidies to the taxes payed by the oil/gas industry.

If they are paying 20 times the tax break amount in actual payments to the federal treasury, can it be called a subsidy?

America’s Oil and Gas Industry: Paying Their Share
http://api.org/policy-and-issues/policy-items/taxes/~/media/Files/Policy/Taxes/Total_Industry_Taxes_April_2011.ashx

America’s oil and natural gas industry supports 9.2 million jobs throughout the economy and 7.5 percent of our GDP.
Our industry provides higher-than-average wages and helps ensure our nation’s energy security. In the process, the
industry generates tax revenues from operations and sales of products that contribute billions every year to federal,
state and local governments.

Major energy producers pay at least their fair share and are a tremendous source of public revenue.

Income Taxes

- $1 Trillion Total income taxes paid or incurred by major energy producers from 1980 through 2009.

- $376 Billion Total income taxes paid or incurred for the five years from 2005 to 2009 with over $110 billion paid to U.S. taxing authorities.

- $35.7 Billion Income taxes paid or incurred in 2009 alone by major energy producers.

- 41.1 percent U.S. oil and gas industry’s 2010 income tax expenses as a share of net income.

- 26.5 percent All non-oil and gas S&P Industrials income tax expenses for 2010.

Non-Income and Excise Taxes

- $362 Billion Excise taxes paid on petroleum products to U.S. taxing authorities by the oil and natural gas industry from 2005-2009.

- $68 Billion Other non-income taxes paid to U.S taxing authorities from 2005-2009, not including excise taxes collected and remitted on petroleum products.

Rents, Royalties, and Fees

- $30 Billion Land use fees paid to the U.S. government between 2008 and 2010, over $5 billion more than the 2009 budgeted discretionary spending for the Department of Energy.

- $187 Billion From 1982 through 2010, the United States government collected rent, royalty, and bonus payments from the oil and gas industry totaling more than $187 billion,
with almost $96 billion having been received or accrued since 2001.

So what does this all mean? America’s oil and natural gas industry pays over $86 million every day in rents,
royalties, bonuses and income tax payments to the federal government. Calls to increase taxes on oil and natural gas
companies would undermine revenues returned to the federal government.

Using two econometric models, a Wood Mackenzie study finds that from 2011 to 2025, increased access to resources
generates $150 billion in additional government revenue; compared to increased taxes which decrease net revenues
by $128 billion.


11 posted on 03/08/2012 7:08:44 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: TheWriterTX

I guess any of your money you are allowed to keep is a subsidy as far as the dems are concerned.


12 posted on 03/08/2012 7:18:46 AM PST by moehoward
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To: thackney

RE: If they are paying 20 times the tax break amount in actual payments to the federal treasury, can it be called a subsidy?

Again, why is NOT TAKING MORE TAXES FROM AN OIL COMPANY’s BUSINESS considered a SUBSIDY?

If a Mafia boss usually takes 30% of your business’ earnings and then a new Don comes along and decides to only take 25%, is the Mafia now SUBSIDIZING you to the tune of 5%?

We need another word for this because to people’s minds, they believe the government is GIVING oil companies money, when in fact, they are restraining themselves from taking MORE and calling it a subsidiy.


13 posted on 03/08/2012 7:22:35 AM PST by SeekAndFind (question)
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To: SeekAndFind

Especially since some are applied the exact same way to other industries without calling them subsidies to domestic manufacturing.


14 posted on 03/08/2012 7:52:10 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have libs out here in CA almost everyday tell me that oil companies pay NO TAXES because that’s what the politicians tell them.


15 posted on 03/08/2012 8:24:31 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: SeekAndFind

Exactly. Exxon makes only about 3c a gallon these days - world Governments impose massive ‘negative subsidies’ (taxes) on them.

The UK is the worst offender at about 3 dollars a gallon tax AND 20% VAT on the original fuel cost. Ouch!

Petrol is such a terrific fuel that it can carry the ludicrously heavy burden of Government. ‘Green’ energy OTOH sources are so bad that they absolutely require ludicrously heavy subsidy from Government to appear in the same market place.


16 posted on 03/08/2012 8:39:02 AM PST by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: sickoflibs; SeekAndFind; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; ...

Oil companies employ hundreds of thousands of people with high paying jobs. These folks are taxed plenty, and the rest goes back into our economy. No wonder Obama hates oil companies.


17 posted on 03/08/2012 8:54:25 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Imagine the horrors of allowing big corporations to keep more of the money they generated.


18 posted on 03/08/2012 8:57:09 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
RE :”Oil companies employ hundreds of thousands of people with high paying jobs. These folks are taxed plenty, and the rest goes back into our economy. No wonder Obama hates oil companies.

Does it really matter to us who Obama hates? We are far beyond liking him.

What is really important to get more voters to dislike him.

19 posted on 03/08/2012 9:07:16 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free' ")
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To: stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs
Oil companies employ hundreds of thousands of people with high paying jobs. These folks are taxed plenty

as are the consumers on every gallon purchased...

i posed a question to my father the other day...is the a *law* that prevents the oil companies or service stations from labeling the pumps with a breakdown of the myriad of taxes and fees that are being *bought* with every gallon ???

i would think that unless its simply *illegal* to do so, that the first time a CEO was called before CONgress and villified for gouging, that the stickers wouldve been in place by the end of the day...just good, cheap advertising and shining the light of truth back on the real theives who make more than the oil companies actually do...

20 posted on 03/08/2012 9:42:20 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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RE :”i posed a question to my father the other day...is the a *law* that prevents the oil companies or service stations from labeling the pumps with a breakdown of the myriad of taxes and fees that are being *bought* with every gallon ???”

They can put a sign up saying anything they want but Dems will keep repeating the oil companies recent profit numbers in the 10s of billions as prices go up and up. That is what they did in 2007 and 2008 and we got that crappy energy bill.

21 posted on 03/08/2012 9:55:54 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free' ")
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To: sickoflibs

“Oil companies pay HUGE amounts of taxes, unlike many who got the Obama tax credit.”

EXACTLY!


22 posted on 03/08/2012 9:59:39 AM PST by kcvl
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
They can put a sign up saying anything they want but Dems will keep repeating the oil companies recent profit numbers in the 10s of billions as prices go up and up.

i dont know why they dont do it then...truth is the counter to the demagougery...*if* the dumbasses see that the government pisses away more than the oil company makes on every gallon, it might sink in that the screwjob is coming from the statists, not the oil guys who actually supply a product for the money...

Ky/In just signed a mutual toll agreement on their two massively congested bridges to finance another bridge, one that theyve both raked in taxes and fed subsidies for and talked about for at least 20 yrs...

so wheres all that cash ???

the *profit* of the oil company can readily be seen by the fact that when i pull into the station, they have product that comes out of the pump...

23 posted on 03/08/2012 10:12:42 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3; sickoflibs

Now Obama wants the fed to investigate the traders.....what a joke. Oil trader s look at the next 6 months to a year on the oil supply, then bid accordingly. Obama won’t let us drill, or put the XL pipe line together.....then he says he has nothing to do with the price of oil. He has EVERYTHING to do with it!


24 posted on 03/08/2012 10:21:56 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker
RE :”the *profit* of the oil company can readily be seen by the fact that when i pull into the station, they have product that comes out of the pump...

You are just brainwashed by the greedy oil companies. They put a chemical in the gasoline to do that.

The gubmt should *take*, errr tax, err fine, every single dollar of oil company profits and use it to fund algae.
Algae: Fuel of the Future? (And do we need government subsidies?)

I swear this algae idea reminds me of the 1973 movie Soylant Green. In the remake the star will discover that what we thought was algae fuel was really made from the victim's bodies of the Obama-care death panels, with a few dead fetuses thrown in.

25 posted on 03/08/2012 10:29:38 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free' ")
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3
RE:”Now Obama wants the fed to investigate the traders.....what a joke. Oil trader s look at the next 6 months to a year on the oil supply, then bid accordingly. Obama won’t let us drill, or put the XL pipe line together.....then he says he has nothing to do with the price of oil. He has EVERYTHING to do with it!

Have you noticed that the speculators are not bidding up the prices of algae, solar panels, windmills and Volts?

An oil company conspiracy?

Actually the Volts are already expensive, just no-one will buy them at those prices.

26 posted on 03/08/2012 10:35:05 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free' ")
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To: sickoflibs

” I swear this algae idea reminds me of the 1973 movie Soylant Green. In the remake the star will discover that what we thought was algae fuel was really made from the victim’s bodies of the Obama-care death panels, with a few dead fetuses thrown in. “

What Obama fails to mention, is that even if this worked, it is at least 10 years away. Just like his press conference
the other day. He says you can now refinance to a much lower mortgage(what he left out, is if you have late payments, or your income is too high, you CAN’T get the loan!!!! Which means 80% are disqualified right out of the gate.


27 posted on 03/08/2012 10:39:45 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs; Gilbo_3

” Have you noticed that the speculators are not bidding up the prices of algae, solar panels, windmills and Volts? “

LOL.....speculators deal in REALITY, or they go broke.


28 posted on 03/08/2012 10:42:16 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs; All

” Does it really matter to us who Obama hates? We are far beyond liking him.

What is really important to get more voters to dislike him.”

Don’t look to the GOP House & Senate......they have been hiding since 2009.


29 posted on 03/08/2012 10:45:20 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3
RE:”What Obama fails to mention, is that even if this worked, it is at least 10 years away. Just like his press conference
the other day. He says you can now refinance to a much lower mortgage(what he left out, is if you have late payments, or your income is too high, you CAN’T get the loan!!!! Which means 80% are disqualified right out of the gate.

What’’s nice about taking 10 years is it wont go bankrupt in Obama’s election year and make him look bad like Solyndra. He will be long out of office by the time it's shown to be a failure.

BTW : Obama says drilling takes too long to work so we should invest in algae instead. We need energy RIGHT NOW just like his jobs plan and algae is the way to go. I am investing in algae now before the greedy speculators drive up the prices.

30 posted on 03/08/2012 10:54:23 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free' ")
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To: sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; All

” BTW : Obama says drilling takes too long to work so we should invest in algae instead. We need energy RIGHT NOW just like his jobs plan and algae is the way to go”

See.....the Republicans should be calling Obama a PSYCHOPATH
and a LIAR......every freaking day!!


31 posted on 03/08/2012 11:30:34 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
10 yrs out, 10 yrs out, 10 yrs out...im sick of hearing 10 yrs out when we have the tech, infrastructure and proven resources to use OIL...!!!

not only making the price at the pump tolerable, but buttoning up a HUGE security issue weve faced since the jimmah carter days...

the day after the hostages were snatched in 79', we coulda/shoulda uncorked ALL our energy sources and began dominating the world with fuel supplies...its only a position of power that we threw away at every opportunity then and since...

i await the next appropriations to begin funding the flux capacitor...

32 posted on 03/08/2012 11:38:13 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I agree, providing they give examples.

In fact I’d like to see him called on a lot of things, with clear examples.


33 posted on 03/08/2012 11:40:13 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: Gilbo_3

” i await the next appropriations to begin funding the flux capacitor...”

Why? When we have algae biodiesel at $33.00 a gallon??


34 posted on 03/08/2012 11:56:13 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: DoughtyOne; All

” In fact I’d like to see him called on a lot of things, with clear examples.”

There must be 80-100 Obama atrocities.....ALL with clear examples. 2 per week, and Obama would likely lose the election.


35 posted on 03/08/2012 11:59:09 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I agree.

Right now he’s spewing the lies often enough, so people begin to believe them. Interesting new tactic. /s We’ve smelled that before too.


36 posted on 03/08/2012 12:14:37 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

in fairness, once milk and bread get into the hundred trillion/wheelbarrow full ‘o money range, $33/gal will be a bargain...bwahahahah...


37 posted on 03/08/2012 12:17:24 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3

: )


38 posted on 03/08/2012 12:50:22 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3

O’Reilly is a ratings “slut”
Havent watched him in 10 years.


39 posted on 03/08/2012 12:53:24 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3
RE :”O’Reilly is a ratings “slut”
Havent watched him in 10 years

I heard he BoR was VERY friendly with the women employees over at FNC. Some say a bit too friendly.
When Cain got in trouble he called BoR for advise on how to conduct a ‘clean-up operation’, he called Hillary too because she ran a full time clean-up for WJC.

40 posted on 03/08/2012 1:02:25 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free' ")
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To: sickoflibs

LOL!


41 posted on 03/08/2012 1:28:35 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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42 posted on 03/08/2012 3:18:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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