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Why Women Want Rick (There is more to Rick’s support by Middle American Moms than meets the eye)
Townhall ^ | 03/08/2012 | Gina Loudon

Posted on 03/08/2012 10:20:32 AM PST by SeekAndFind

The Lame Stream Media circle like sharks in a blood pool over Rick Santorum’s Catholicism. Funny, they asked conservatives if they were against Romney because they are “anti-Mormon” but no one is asking those attacking Santorum if they are doing it because they are “anti-Catholic.” Do we want a POTUS candidate who doesn’t believe his own faith? We already have that, don’t we?

Rick Santorum is laughing all the way to the ballot box as women swoon, and it isn’t over his good looks. Women like Rick for a lot of reasons. He is every woman’s husband. He is every girl’s dad, complete with the sweater vest. He is every businesswoman’s handy banker. He is every school girl’s slightly geeky, but deliciously smart favorite math teacher. He is the Sunday School teacher we wish we had—the one who actually fights for his faith rather than cowering for church attendance and tithes. He has courage.

Women feel the financial strain created by this administration’s $1 trillion per year spending habit more than our sexier counterparts. We are the ones who have to abandon our choices and go to work. We have to clip coupons, stretch dollars, walk the tightrope between what our kids want and what our struggling budget allows, and we know we couldn’t do it without our spiritual strength. The press’ contention that the social issues don’t matter smack of government constrained churches to us, and we won’t have it. Women need the freedom to worship where they want, how they want, and they don’t want this government threatening their spiritual freedoms. Women understand what Sarah Palin said when she proclaimed that social issues and economic issues are not mutually exclusive-- They are inextricably linked, and women know that because we use the spiritual strengths guaranteed to us by “social issues” to survive the fiscal stresses every day under this imperial President’s reign.

There is more to Rick’s support by Middle American Moms than meets the eye. In the states where he has campaigned and delivered a message, women are feeling emboldened to support this hubby-daddy-slightly geeky teacher-type; they know things the media and GOP establishment wish they could dust away.

Moms like him. Rick and Karen have 7 living children. Karen is an attorney, nurse, and author. Rick knows firsthand what it means to run the carpool, pick up the kids from soccer, help with homework, and drop them at a friends’ house, all while trying to get to work on time or spiff up the house before dinner with the family.

Businesswomen like him. Santorum sponsored and passed the Women’s Business Centers Sustainability Act that established numerous initiatives to support small businesses owned by women.

Work at home moms like him. He has been outspoken and boldly spoken up for women to have the choices they deserve—to work outside the home, or not. He even placed the blame for taking away these freedoms where real women know it belongs—on the radical feminists.

Poor women like him. When he decided to take on the colossal battle of welfare reform, he invited 8 women on welfare to co-create the legislation with him. Who does that? This shows such cool creativity and cutting edge leadership, it would give a sweater vest some swag!

Pro-life women like him. He is an unquestionable champion of life. This means that unborn women probably like him, too. They just won’t be able to say so until about 2013.

Pro-choice women like him. He is the only candidate who has declared that he would not criminalize birth control, unless killing babies is your “method of choice.”

Libertarian women like him. The Cato Institute had rave reviews for the Senator while he was serving in D.C.

Victimized women like him. Unlike Obama, he doesn’t label them victims (AKA: Useful idiots). He empowers crime victims with his tough law for trafficking victims (Trafficking Victims Protection Conference Report) and Aimee’s Law. He co-sponsored the National AMBER Alert Network Act to strengthen alert capabilities and assist state and local law enforcement in catching those who would kidnap a child.

Academic women like him. His mother was the first woman to graduate from Yale. She was the primary breadwinner for his family growing up. His wife, Karen, is a lawyer, nurse, and author. He understands the importance of education and more importantly, the personal satisfaction that comes from women meeting their full potential. His life is living proof of that.

Moms of special ability children like him. As a mother of a child with a Trisomy 21, I can assure you that this hidden, but adamant voting block will move heaven and earth to get to the polls to support someone who loves and understands all the extra joy and challenge in raising a special child. His love for his baby, Gabriel who died, and later for his precious little Bella with Trisomy 18, is all most moms like me need to know the man has a heart the size of Texas, and he wears it on his sleeve for our special little ones.

Mr. Moms even like him! He championed initiatives to encourage participation of fathers in the lives of their children, and provide families with relief from the marriage penalty tax.

While esoteric, overeducated liberals stand in awe as Senator Santorum survives the ravages of the socialist attacks, we Middle American Women quietly smile to ourselves. We know where our vote will be in 2012.

-- Dr. Gina Loudon is the host of the PM drivetime show The Dr. Gina Show heard in 8 states across the Midwest and the South.


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To: SeekAndFind

What I meant was, if Santorum is nominated I will vote for him in Nov. If Gingrich is nominated, I will vote for him in Nov (though I prefer Santorum). If Romney is nominated, that is when I would have to reassess. At first I thought I would vote for Romney if necessary to get rid of BHO, but I just don’t even want to acknowledge the possibility that Romney could be nominated at this time. There’s hardly a point in having an election if Romney is our nominee. He would go down worse than McCain.


141 posted on 03/09/2012 1:41:13 PM PST by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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To: Joe 6-pack; SeekAndFind
You actually think they would have a lightweight like Santorum in those pictures? They ALREADY know he's one of their lackey's who will take one for team when asked for his political future. THAT'S Santorum's MO.

You got you pictures handy where Santorum is campaigning for MITT - THE WORST OF THE WORST he was trying to shove down voters throats??

Now this year, his approach is different for the GOP E and their man Mitt - anyone but NEWT/WeThePeople.

This is about WeThePeople and America - you guys are making it about personalities. You are falling for the trap they set and they have been working on for 3 years. And when it's over don't blame the media or the GOP E - blame yourself for falling for their bait.

142 posted on 03/09/2012 1:42:17 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

People are entitled to make MISTAKES in their lives.

Reagan made huge mistakes, so did Newt ( remember sitting down Pelosi on cap and trade? Remember the support for Ethanol? Remember his calling Paul Ryan’s medicare reform proposal “right wing social engineering”?).

Remember Newt’s support of the RINO and Traitor Dede Scozzafava in NY Congressional elections (this woman actually received an award from a Planned Parenthood affiliate in 2008) over the Tea Party candidate, Doug Hoffmann?

Now, if you are willing to overlook that, how come Santorum is suddenly not excused from any mistakes he made in the past?


143 posted on 03/09/2012 1:55:01 PM PST by SeekAndFind (question)
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To: SeekAndFind

Seriously, when did Santorum quit supporting abortion?

He claims 1990, but in 1996 he was supporting making the Republican party pro-abortion, in 2004 he was still supporting the man with that agenda, in 2008 he was supporting the second most radical pro-abortion candidate that the GOP has ever produced and offered up for a serious Presidential run.

When did Santorum quit being pro-abortion?


144 posted on 03/09/2012 2:54:27 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

RE: Seriously, when did Santorum quit supporting abortion?

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The question is WHEN DID HE NOT FIGHT ABORTION WHILE HE WAS IN WASHINGTON.

Here is a list of the laws he sponsored to protect life for your edification.

Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act (Sponsor – signed into law in 2003) – Over several Congresses, he was the Senate author and champion of this bill to ban partial birth abortions.

Born Alive Infants Protection Act (Sponsor – signed into law in 2002) – This bill ensured appropriate care is provided for those infants who survive an abortion.

Unborn Victims of Violence Act (Co-sponsor - DeWine) – This bill, signed into law in 2004, made it a federal offense to injure or kill a fetus while committing a federal crime.

Informed Choices Act (Co-sponsor – Bunning) – This bill would have provided grants to non-profit organizations to purchase ultrasound equipment and provide free examinations to pregnant women.

Child Custody Protection Act (Longtime cosponsor and supporter of this Ensign bill and similar efforts) – This bill would prohibit individuals from taking minors across state lines for abortions in order to avoid state parental consent laws.

Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act (Co-sponsor) – This bill required abortionists to inform women having an abortion that studies show that the unborn child feels pain during an abortion performed after 20 weeks of pregnancy and give her the opportunity, should she choose to continue the procedure, to allow the child to be treated for that pain.

Workplace Religious Freedom Act, Abortion Non-Discrimination Act, and Health Care Entity Protection Act (Sponsor and Co-sponsor) – These bills, respectively, would protect the individual conscious rights of individuals to not participate in procedures they believe to be morally wrong and prevent health care entities from being discriminated against in receiving Federal or State funding because the entity refuses to provide coverage of, or pay for, induced abortions.

RU-486 Suspension and Review Act and RU-486 Patient Health and Safety Protection Act (Co-sponsor) – These bills, respectively, would have withdrawn the approved application of the drug RU- 486 and allow for a review of the process by which the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved the drug and would require the FDA to establish restrictions regarding the qualifications of physicians to prescribe the abortion drug commonly known as RU-486.

Voiced concerns to the Bush Administration about the impact of making the Morning After Pill available without a prescription to youth and asked for the Administration to research the potential harmful effects of abortion on the women who have them.

Alternatives to Abortion

Women and Children’s Resources Act (sponsor - 1999) – This bill was intended to link women to a network of supportive organizations who are ready and willing to offer assistance in the form of pregnancy testing, adoption information, prenatal and postpartum health care, maternity and baby clothing, food, diapers, and information on childbirth and parenting. Women could also have received referrals for housing, education, and vocational training. Low-income women would have been given priority for these services. He also sought to work with the Executive Branch to support of these important efforts through established programs.

Elizabeth Cady Stanton Pregnant and Parenting Student Services Act (cosponsor) – This bill would have provided grants to institutions of higher education to establish student services offices for pregnant students, parenting students, prospective parenting students anticipating a birth or adoption, and students who are placing or have placed a child for adoption.

Informed Choices Act (co-sponsor) – This bill would have provided grants to non-profit organizations to purchase ultrasound equipment and provide free examinations to pregnant women.

Strongly supported funding of abstinence education programs that informed and helped teens make the best choices for a fulfilling and productive life.

Adoption and Foster Care

Supported legislation to extend and expand the Adoption Tax Credit, making adoption more affordable to thousands of families.

Supported Promoting Safe and Stable Families Initiatives programs. These programs are designed to help the most vulnerable children be safe, healthy, and find a permanent home, including supporting families who adopt children from foster care. They also help teens aging out of the foster care system without having been adopted to make a successful transition to productive, independent living by providing services such as education, job training, life skills training, and housing help.

As a member of the Congressional Coalition on Adoption, he supported numerous international adoption efforts and recognized families across the Commonwealth as “Angels in Adoption” for the steps they had taken to personally care for vulnerable children.

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I challenge you to find another Senator with such an ACTIVELY pro-life record as this one.


145 posted on 03/09/2012 3:00:16 PM PST by SeekAndFind (question)
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To: SeekAndFind

Seriously, we need an explanation for why Santorum has been playing a life long, two layered abortion game.

Attorney Santorum admits this, “I was basically pro-choice all my life, until I ran for Congress”.

When combined with his quiet history of trying to make the Republican party pro-abortion in Presidential elections, then we have to worry about why his goal is suddenly different this time, now that he wants to be President.

None of this effort to turn the Republicans pro-abortion has ever reached the general public, we need some discussion on this.


146 posted on 03/09/2012 3:25:42 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

RE: Seriously, we need an explanation for why Santorum has been playing a life long, two layered abortion game.

You want to focus on the past. I want to focus on what he has done as Senator. That’s the difference between you and me.

NOTHING he has done as Senator has ever made me doubt that he is pro-life.

1) His record ( if you want to ignore the list I gave, it’s your problem, not mine ).

2) The scrutiny given to him by PRO-LIFE groups — Catholics, Evangelicals and others.

3) His present statements and policy proposals.

In other words, he did not become pro-life out of convenience. ACTIONS Speaks louder than words, and his ACTIONS are what I base my impressions on, not what he said in the distant past or what other people ( like you say about him ).


147 posted on 03/09/2012 3:31:07 PM PST by SeekAndFind (question)
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To: SeekAndFind
His "past" means 2008, 2004, 1997, 1996, it is not the "past" at all, and it is only now surfacing, we need to bring this out.

NOTHING he has done as Senator has ever made me doubt that he is pro-life.

Really? Senator Santorum trying to turn the Republican party into a pro-abortion party and remove the pro-life plank, doesn't cause just a little doubt?

148 posted on 03/09/2012 3:39:33 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

RE: Really? Senator Santorum trying to turn the Republican party into a pro-abortion party and remove the pro-life plank, doesn’t cause just a little doubt?

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Yes really.

I gave you a list of the laws he sponsored. I gave you videos of his fighting Barbara Boxer against abortion. I gave you a list of pro-life people from Catholic and evangelical groups who scrutinized his record back and forth and endorsed him.

What have you given me? YOUR OPINION.

Here’s more of his work for your edification :

Euthanasia

Assisted Suicide Prevention Act (co-sponsor) - This bill would have amended the Controlled Substances Act to prohibit medical practitioners from using a controlled substance for the purpose of assisting suicide or causing the death of any person. It provides that dispensing, distributing, or administering a controlled substance to alleviate pain or discomfort in the usual course of professional practice consistent with public health and safety is a legitimate medical purpose, even if the use of such substance may increase the risk of death.

Pain Relief Promotion Act (co-sponsor in 105th Congress) - This bill sought to promote pain management and palliative care without permitting assisted suicide and euthanasia.
Incapacitated Persons Legal Protection Act (cosponsor) – This bill would have granted habeas corpus rights to persons who have a court ordered removal of life-sustaining food, fluid, or medical treatment.

Lethal Drug Abuse Prevention Act (cosponsor in 105th Congress) – This bill would have clarified Federal law to prohibit the dispensing or distribution of a controlled substance for the purpose of causing, or assisting in causing, the suicide, euthanasia, or mercy killing of any individual.

Bioethics

The Alternative Pluripotent Stem Cell Therapies Enhancement Act. (Sponsor - It passed the Senate by a vote of 100-0 in 2006 before being killed in the House by members who opposed support for these alternative methods that do not involve the destruction of human embryos.) This legislation would have further intensified research into non-controversial methods of deriving pluripotent stem cell lines to result in improved understanding of treatments for diseases and other adverse health conditions.

Fetus Farming Prohibition Act (sponsored this important legislation that was signed into law by President Bush in 2006) – This bill prohibited researchers from acquiring tissue from fetuses gestated in a human or animal womb for research purposes.

Chimera Prohibition Act (Co-sponsor) - This bill would have prevented chimeras (human-animal genetic hybrids) created with uniquely human genetic characteristics. Animal could not be fused with human brain or reproductive tissue. This ban would also ban human embryos from being implanted in animals.

The Stem Cell Therapeutic and Research Act (Co-sponsor of this bill signed into law in 2005 by President Bush) – This bill requires the Secretary of HHS to contract with qualified cord blood stem cell banks to assist in the collection and maintenance of 150,000 new units of high-quality cord blood to be made available for transplantation through the C.W. Bill Young Cell Transplantation Program.
Human Cloning Prohibition Act (Co-sponsor) – This bill would outlaw all cloning of the human embryo for any purpose.

Conscience Clause/Religious Freedom

Workplace Religious Freedom Act (sponsor) – This bill would restore a balanced approach to religious freedom in the workplace. This measure would restore provisions in the Civil Rights Act, undermined by the courts, which required employers to accommodate the religious beliefs of their employees, unless doing so would cause significant difficulty or financial hardship for the employer.

Abortion Non-Discrimination Act (sponsor and cosponsor) – This bill would have prohibited the federal government, and any state or local government that receives federal funding, from discriminating against any health care entity because the entity refuses to provide coverage of, or pay for, induced abortions. This legislation clarifies existing law that states that health care entities should not be coerced into providing abortion services that they believe to be morally wrong.

Health Care Entity Protection Act (sponsor in 105th Congress) – This bill would have prohibited discrimination against health care entities that refuse to provide, provide coverage for, pay for, or provide referrals for abortions.

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OK, now who is your candidate?

Show me the laws he sponsored that matches this record....

And give me a list of laws Santorum voted FOR DIRECTLY that shows he is pro-abortion.

And don’t give me the crap about some pro-abortion item inserted in a law that had hundreds of earmarks in it.

That only proves that he was negligent in not scrutinizing a lengthy legislation ( and yes, I will reprimand him for that ), but that IN NO WAY proves that he favors abortion.

You have to show me that ALL OF THE ABOVE LEGISLATIONS I enumerated are fake ( they are not ) to convince me otherwise.


149 posted on 03/09/2012 3:48:58 PM PST by SeekAndFind (question)
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To: SeekAndFind
Remember his calling Paul Ryan’s medicare reform proposal “right wing social engineering

Remember what he said about it and why? If you can't post THE WHOLE THING - it's just another way of being not honest.

Remember Newt’s support of the RINO and Traitor Dede Scozzafava in NY

And what did he say about that along with he got the wrong info and I can imagine from who. And what are you doing? Not giving the WHOLE story along with comparing someone in upstate NY to the presidents seat in the WH leading our country. It shows how DESPERATE you are.

Santorum is NO match for NEWT - you are as clueless as they get if you believe he is. Santorum's a toy being used by the GOP E and he wants to remain relevant so he wants to be used. You'll learn the hard way.

But the lying deceiving Santorum will never get my vote. You ain't taking down America on my vote.

150 posted on 03/09/2012 3:50:29 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Sure, sure you can always have mitigating factors for people who make mistakes like Newt did. So what? Santorum had no mitigating factors when people attack him?

BALONEY.

Look, If you believe that Newt is a BETTER candidate, go ahead and vote for him. I am for Santorum, but that does not mean I don’t favor Newt. I just believe Rick is the better candidate.

What ticks me off is, people having to attack Santorum even as they favor Newt. WHY?

I know the weaknesses of both candidates and their strengths and they are not perfect. But I DECIDE that Santorum is the better candidate.


151 posted on 03/09/2012 3:58:14 PM PST by SeekAndFind (question)
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To: SeekAndFind

Making your posts ever longer and longer is not an answer.

Why was Santorum trying to turn the Republican party into a pro-abortion party?


152 posted on 03/09/2012 4:09:58 PM PST by ansel12
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To: presently no screen name
Who is the brains here? To say anyone but NEWT is being dishonest.

No argument from me I have followed Newt for years and I am older than he is, but that is not the only criteria for me. Woodrow Wilson was a genius and Teddy Roosevelt was no dummy, and neither was his cousin Franklin. In fact some of the greatest Progressive Minds were geniuses. Plato, Hobbs........What kind of world would we have if their ideas prevailed?

153 posted on 03/09/2012 4:17:27 PM PST by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

hubby and I were discussing this Rick vs. women thing last week.

Isn’t it odd who gets labelled “pro” or “anti” woman??

So...Rick believes that sex is so special and sacred, that it should be reserved to one woman for the rest of his life.
He values and respects life to the extent of welcoming 8 souls into their family.
They mourned one child, and fight everyday to keep their youngest alive.

Compare that to the so-called “pro” woman males who think women need access to consequence/free extra-marital sex, so they can sleep with them without strings.
They use them as objects & risk spreading disease.
Once they’re done with them, they don’t give them a second thought.
And if their “union” brings about another human life? Off to the clinic!

oh yeah...the other side sure loves women all right.


154 posted on 03/09/2012 4:17:53 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: SeekAndFind

NEWT is better because of his accomplishments, his love and studying of this country all his life, his knowledge of what can be done and what can’t. He’s been taking notes all these years not just now while a candidate.

And he hasn’t lied about any candidates. (The truth is bad enough.) And NEWT supported CONSERVATIVE Sarah in the last election when the GOP E, including Santorum, tried to trash her.

NEWT is the CONSERVATIVE in the race by his actions and his accomplishments as Speaker. That speaks LOUDLY to me what Newt is all about. And, as usual, who is trashing him with lies, rick/mitt the GOP E. And who is for him, the KNOWN CONSERVATIVE Sarah. Along with other real conservatives, not the INO who was bought for political gain.

NO ONE gets my vote other than Newt. Take the country down with your vote - that’s a stain you can’t wash off.


155 posted on 03/09/2012 4:30:19 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: itsahoot

You are comparing and going over the ledge doing it deliberately. That’s what will happen to our country with that thinking.

Is that hard to stay in the present and see the loser Santorum for what he is and cut the over the ledge rant on what Newt is not?


156 posted on 03/09/2012 4:38:16 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

So go for Newt, I’m not stopping you.

You don’t have to trash Santorum even as you vote for Newt.


157 posted on 03/09/2012 5:26:27 PM PST by SeekAndFind (question)
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To: ansel12

RE: Making your posts ever longer and longer is not an answer.

The posts are long because my claims have to be documented

RE: Why was Santorum trying to turn the Republican party into a pro-abortion party?

Those are YOUR CLAIMS. My long posts don’t show any good evidence of that at all. Repeating a claim with little or no legislative backup don’t support what you say.


158 posted on 03/09/2012 5:47:14 PM PST by SeekAndFind (question)
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To: SeekAndFind

Watch this video of Santorum and Specter.

It isn’t a “claim”, are you saying that Senator Santorum did not endorse him? That Specter’s platform was not as he says as he announces it on that stage with Santorum cheering him?

Here is video of Senator Santorum on stage with Arlen Specter, as Specter is announcing his Presidential run, based on making the GOP a pro-abortion party, Rick Santorum endorsed him, and campaigned for him and his platform.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/64281-1

Transcript Highlights:
Santorum is seen nodding and applauding at Specter’s side:

3:46 mark: “In 1996, I intend to win the other house — the White House — with ten commitments to America… including a woman’s right to choose…

13:22 mark: “Even though we have this historic opportunity for these achievements, there are those in our party who would lead us down a different path — and squander this unique moment in our nation’s history — by using our political capital — to pursue a radical social agenda — that would end a woman’s right to choose…

13:48 mark: “When Pat Robertson says there is no constitutional doctrine of separation between Church and State, I say he is wrong…

14:31 mark: “When Ralph Reed says a pro-choice Republican isn’t qualified to be our President, I say the Republican Party will not be intimidated or blackmailed by those kinds of threats.I, and millions of other pro-choice Republicans, will not be disenfranchised and made second class citizens.

15:33 mark: “… it is not Christian, or religious, or Judeo-Christian to bring God into politics; or to advocate intolerance and promote exclusion.

15:54 mark: “I want to take abortion out of politics. I want to keep the Republican Party focused on the vital economic and foreign policy issues — and leave moral issues such as abortion to the conscience of the individual. I believe abortion is an issue to be decided by women…

16:40 mark: “I pledge to lead the fight to strip the strident anti-choice language from the Republican National platform…”


159 posted on 03/09/2012 5:59:34 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Again, let’s talk about the video.

That was what date? ANSWER 1995. Santorum acknowledged that he was NOT a strong pro-life adevocate then.

That was a SPEECH he made. Santorum applauds, SO WHAT?

That was 1995.

He said he changed his mind because he “sat down and read the literature. Scientific literature.”

In other words, like Reagan, who made abortion LEGAL in California, he GENUINELY CHANGED HIS MIND.

Yes, Rick Santorum was pro-abortion, and first ran as a “Progressive Conservative”, and that is what he had printed into his campaign materials.

His wife was in fact pro-abortion too.

YOU DON’T HAVE TO TELL ME ABOUT HIS PAST. He has told us about it.

The point is people make mistakes. The important point is KNOWING YOUR MISTAKES, DO YOU DWELL ON THEM OR CORRECT THEM?

What did Santorum do to redeem his mistakes. I already showed you his legislation.

You have not for once, told me that these did nothing to redeem what he supported in the past.

In fact even after he lost his 2006 election, HE CONTINUED BEING AN ADVOCATE FOR LIFE.

How do I know this? Santorum is a regular substitute for Bill Bennett on his show, Morning in America which is broadcasr on drive time in the morning in New York. I HEAR HIM ALMOST EVERY WEEK ON FRIDAYS. The man GENUINELY FIGHTS FOR LIFE.

He debates callers who disagree with him on such issues as requiring ULTRA SOUND for mothers who plan to have abortions.

I bet you would not have voted for Ronald Reagan because of what he did as governor of California.

You live in the past (1995 to be specific ) I live in the present and look forward to the future.

I’d rather look at HIS ACTIONS as Senator. They do not show anything close to support for abortion. They show a STRONG OPPOSITE.


160 posted on 03/09/2012 6:42:28 PM PST by SeekAndFind (question)
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