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‘Ishtar’ Lands on Mars ('John Carter' a colossal bomb for Disney, $165M writeoff, layoffs...)
NY Times ^ | 3/11/12 | BROOKS BARNES

Posted on 03/11/2012 1:32:54 PM PDT by jimbo123

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“John Carter,” a big-budget science fiction epic from Walt Disney Studios that opened Friday and flopped over the weekend. Disney spent lavishly (some say foolishly) on the movie in large part to keep one of its most important creative talents happy: Andrew Stanton, the Pixar-based director of “Finding Nemo” and “Wall-E.”

“John Carter,” which cost an estimated $350 million to make and market, and was directed by Mr. Stanton, took in about $30.6 million at the North American box office, according to Rentrak, which compiles box-office data. That result is so poor, even when factoring in about $71 million in overseas ticket sales, that analysts estimate that Disney will be forced to take a quarterly write-down of $100 million to $165 million.

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KEYWORDS: andrewstanton; barsoom; disney; edgarriceburroughs; findingnemo; hollyweird; johncarter; pixar; walle; waltdisneystudios
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To: cripplecreek

So women are done by 34 in your book, eh?


101 posted on 03/11/2012 3:15:52 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: LS
Have you seen Restrepo?
102 posted on 03/11/2012 3:17:42 PM PDT by mylife
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To: 9YearLurker
So women are done by 34 in your book, eh?

Well, you must admit that she's seen above average wear-and-tear, eh?

103 posted on 03/11/2012 3:18:28 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: PeteB570

Maybe. Is there a 3D version? That could be very cool.


104 posted on 03/11/2012 3:19:03 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: 9YearLurker
So women are done by 34 in your book, eh?

They are when they've been rode as hard and long as that one has.
105 posted on 03/11/2012 3:19:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Well, you must admit that she's seen above average wear-and-tear, eh?

Kinda like a rental dune buggy.
106 posted on 03/11/2012 3:22:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: pjd

*** The characters and creatures and Barsoomian world were *exactly* like I pictured them from the books. Very well done, in my opinion. Captured the spirit of the books to a T. ****

Thanks.

Naturally such a movie would be a box office flop, considering the character and sensibilities of today’s theater audience.


107 posted on 03/11/2012 3:24:30 PM PDT by mrsmith (Sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party)
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To: GOPsterinMA

I saw it yesterday and thought it was pretty good. Might even go see it again. It has really, really good cgi, not a bad story and no really obnoxious Jar-Jar Binks type characters. Overall, I’d give 4 stars out of 5.


108 posted on 03/11/2012 3:24:37 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: SuzyQue

Yes, there is. It was at 3:35 and I didn’t finish up work until 3:25. The 2D was at 4:05 and the next shows were after 6:00PM.

Ticket prices for 2D before 5 were only $5.50

I picked the 2D with a large buttered popcorn and drink :-).


109 posted on 03/11/2012 3:26:30 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: cripplecreek
Seinfeld discusses the rental car..."I am going to beat the hell out of that thing"
110 posted on 03/11/2012 3:29:22 PM PDT by mylife
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To: glorgau

Loved the “dog”!


111 posted on 03/11/2012 3:33:34 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: dfwgator
Imagine if Star Wars was called “Luke Skywalker”.

Or even better, "Darth Vader"...

the infowarrior

112 posted on 03/11/2012 3:47:43 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: GSP.FAN

Think below the neck...

Check your PM...


113 posted on 03/11/2012 3:49:14 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Establishment is the establishment.)
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To: Melas; Fee
An old Family friend worked on Firefly, Battlestar Gallactica, the movie Serenity and did some work for Universal Studios as well.

One small shot with literally seconds of Screen Time can take months. The shots are much more complicated than ever before and the advent of CGI has just raised expectations from the Writers, Directors and Producers of what can be put into the final product.

The work on Star Wars was very simplistic in comparison and still took hundreds of people and thousands of man hours to accomplish. It does take less work than before, just as any improvement in productivity will, but it is far from easy.

Just an example. Our Friend was one of the guys working on the big scene in Serenity where a fleet of Military Space Ships followed the Firefly Ship out of a cosmic cloud. The scene was very impressive and lasted all of ten seconds. It took him over three months just to set it up. Tough work...

He has a couple of Emmy's from the Firefly and BG work. Now he is “between projects” and you can't eat an Emmy.

114 posted on 03/11/2012 3:54:33 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: cripplecreek

“Traci Lords:

Said old tumblindice, “I’m humble,
And maybe too old for a tumble,
..But produce me a blonde,
..And I’m still not beyond
An attempt at an interesting fumble.

On second thought: Vienna sausage/Versaille Hall of Mirrors
oh well


115 posted on 03/11/2012 3:55:15 PM PDT by tumblindice ( our new, happy lives)
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To: tumblindice

nevermind


116 posted on 03/11/2012 3:55:55 PM PDT by tumblindice ( our new, happy lives)
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To: pjd

these stories were written more than 50 years ago

True...they were written almost exactly a century ago (serious started in 1912).


117 posted on 03/11/2012 4:00:05 PM PDT by Imnidiot (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: glorgau

I doubt I’ll spend $ to see it, but I’ll catch it on cable.


118 posted on 03/11/2012 4:01:31 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Establishment is the establishment.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Those are worth money to certain collectors...you know why.


119 posted on 03/11/2012 4:02:18 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Establishment is the establishment.)
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To: glorgau; lilycicero; MaryLou1; glock rocks; JPG; Monkey Face; RIghtwardHo; pieces of time; ...
glorgau wrote:
I saw it yesterday and thought it was pretty good. Might even go see it again. It has really, really good cgi, not a bad story and no really obnoxious Jar-Jar Binks type characters. Overall, I’d give 4 stars out of 5.
I agree. A story! Yes it has A STORY. What an idea, telling A STORY!
120 posted on 03/11/2012 4:02:28 PM PDT by narses
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To: TangoLimaSierra

My boys and I like the SciFi movies. They are soo bad they are good.


121 posted on 03/11/2012 4:03:54 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cripplecreek

Megan Ward? I don’t she ever did porn.


122 posted on 03/11/2012 4:04:50 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Establishment is the establishment.)
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To: Kickass Conservative; Melas; Fee

Serenity was a terrific movie, and was another of those heartbreaking examples of how the studios can completely blow the promotional strategy.

Like naming this movie simply “John Carter”, which means nothing to those not familiar with the books, the promotions and TV ads for Serenity told absolutely nothing about what the movie was about. The Browncoats turned out to see it of course, but people unfamiliar with the Firefly TV series were given no reason to go see it.


123 posted on 03/11/2012 4:10:55 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Klaatu Barada Nikto

Saw it with the kids and liked it. It actually didn’t portray all humans as evil, and actually heroic! The native 4 arm guys were pretty cruel, shocking to say the least coming from Hollywood these days!


124 posted on 03/11/2012 4:13:27 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: mylife

John Carter ten minute clip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HaE5Zs8dAY

Wow. We didn’t go see it because of the weak reviews, but this ten minutes looks really cool.

You know, maybe I will go see it after all.


125 posted on 03/11/2012 4:14:23 PM PDT by garjog
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To: dfwgator
Stupid to just name the movie after somebody’s name? I mean if the movie was just called “Indiana Jones” instead of “Raiders of the Lost Ark” who would have seen it? Who the heck is John Carter? Sure the people who read the books know....but outside of that?

The reasoning was that the last 3-5 movies with "Mars" in the title flopped like fish out of water.

For the record I jsut got back from seeing John Carter, and enjoyed it. I am 1/3 of the way through the first book so i can't say how well they stuck to the original by ERB.

126 posted on 03/11/2012 4:20:41 PM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: cripplecreek

In the foreword, which is part of the fiction, Burroughs describes him as a “tall, dark, athletic man” with black hair. When he sees him for the first time since he had gone off to war he says, “I was much surprised to note he had not aged apparently a moment.”

So you guys are all wet. I felt the casting was right on. The movie drew a lot from the book, and followed it in outline. The biggest deviation they made was the Thune business, but they made this work pretty well.

Overall the movie was pretty good. Everything looked good, and the opening airship scene drew me into it. There were a few draggy parts, but the plot moved well and had some twists. Its biggest problem is that the whole conception is so familiar to the public in so many other treatments, notably Star Wars, of course. I think this greatly reduces its pull and the action and dialogue are in the same familiar mold. I guess they weren’t going to commit $250 million to some kind of retro treatment.


127 posted on 03/11/2012 4:22:55 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: pjd

These stories were actually written in 1911 and 1912, more than 100 years ago.

“John Carter was the lead character in the first novel by Edgar Rice Burroughs, set on a fictionalized version of Mars known as Barsoom. Written between July and September 28, 1911, the novel was serialized as Under the Moons of Mars in the pulp magazine The All-Story from February to July 1912. It later appeared as a complete novel only after the success of Burroughs’ Tarzan series. For its October 1917 hardcover publication by A.C. McClurg & Company, the novel was retitled A Princess of Mars.”


128 posted on 03/11/2012 4:23:56 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: verga

Mars Attacks! was great, though.


129 posted on 03/11/2012 4:24:19 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dr_lew
So you guys are all wet.

Or I could just be mixing up my books but go right on ahead.
130 posted on 03/11/2012 4:26:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: pjd

That’s what is so nice about anonymous forums...no one really needs credibility.


131 posted on 03/11/2012 4:28:52 PM PDT by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: garjog

Looks pretty compelling to me as well.


132 posted on 03/11/2012 4:29:33 PM PDT by mylife
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To: dr_lew

Just saw it at our Movies10 theatre.Where every single movie always cost just4.00 and popcorn,hotdogs,and soda costs only 1.00.Very good movie,and the theatre was standing room only,showing on 2 screens,,both full.Im a fan of ERB,and thought they did an excellent job.Fantastic story,showing heroism,and the values this country used to support.Shame on most of you for badmouthing it without seeing it.


133 posted on 03/11/2012 4:31:24 PM PDT by Craftmore
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To: dfwgator

Please tell me you forgot the /sarc tag.


134 posted on 03/11/2012 4:35:59 PM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: 9YearLurker

She’s 43 (I guess 40-41 in that movie photo).


135 posted on 03/11/2012 4:37:05 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: verga

Yes it was great, when the Martians fired on Congress, everybody in the theater cheered.


136 posted on 03/11/2012 4:37:54 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

Yeah. She was only 16,,,, but very,,,,errrrr, very talented!


137 posted on 03/11/2012 4:38:18 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Craftmore

“Shame on most of you for badmouthing it without seeing it.”

I am with you there. Since when did the NY-Slimes become a trusted source. geez

We saw it last night and had a full theater. It was a great movie probably go see it again.


138 posted on 03/11/2012 4:39:04 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: JediJones

-——John Carter...who’s that and what’s the movie about?-——

Exactly right. I knew nothing about it, but caught the commercial today.

I thought:

“John Carter”

Lots of special effects.

What the?

Oh well, who cares.

And that would have been my last impression if I hadn’t read this.


139 posted on 03/11/2012 4:39:08 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Craftmore

Critics and the media are chewing on this movie, but most people that actually SAW it seem to like it...it DID make $100 million world-wide in three days...disappointing, perhaps, but bomb? Not so sure. Word of mouth may give this movie some legs...


140 posted on 03/11/2012 4:39:23 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: ltc8k6
For its October 1917 hardcover publication by A.C. McClurg & Company, the novel was retitled A Princess of Mars.”Which after Prince of Persia and The Princess of the Frog wouldn't have been a marketable title either. The idea that movies have flopped because "Mars" was in the title and that this one would also is just silly. I'm pretty sure Mars Needs Moms was the only one to come out in the past decade, is probably largely forgotten, and the overall title doesn't sound at all like John Carter of Mars. The idea that you can succeed by running away from the premise of your movie in its title is nonsensical.
141 posted on 03/11/2012 4:46:09 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: jimbo123; Bender2

I just got home from watching it with Lil. Pretty good flick.


142 posted on 03/11/2012 4:46:09 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: JediJones

I didn’t say anything at all about the title...I was pointing out that the stories were 100 years old, not just 50.

But since you brought it up, maybe they should have used the proper title, Under the Moons of Mars.


143 posted on 03/11/2012 4:52:14 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: pjd
The characters and creatures and Barsoomian world were *exactly* like I pictured them from the books. Very well done, in my opinion. Captured the spirit of the books to a T.

Except woola did not look like a calot at all, more like a cabazon with legs.

144 posted on 03/11/2012 4:54:00 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Get the SCIFI Channel mini-series “Dune” and “Children of Dune” DVDs

Much better than the movie (I know, it’s SciFi Channel, but they really do follow the books better.)


145 posted on 03/11/2012 5:23:17 PM PDT by hattend (Jesus wants me to make churches pay for abortions. - Barack Obama)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Yes...very!


146 posted on 03/11/2012 5:26:36 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Establishment is the establishment.)
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To: JediJones

The director has said that “Princess” was nixed because they thought no boys would go and see it. I’m not buying that it would matter that much, but the term has gotten a little more pink and frilly since ERB wrote it. So then it was going to be John Carter of Mars. “Of Mars” was then nixed because they thought no girls would go and see it, because girls hate sci-fi and planets or something. We are just lucky it wasn’t Get Carter’s Princess Diaries. I thought WALL-E was one of the best Sci-fi movies in a long time, so I hope this movie is cool.

The clips of Barsoom don’t look like what I was picturing in my head all these years. It looks like an earth desert. Of course I heard Pixar/disney and all I was picturing was Frazetta’s paintings coming to life. But it just doesn’t seem as exotic as I remember from the books.

Freegards


147 posted on 03/11/2012 5:27:48 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: vetvetdoug

I thought it looked good in the previews, and am mildly interested in seeing it.

Also this year: Hunger Games, and the Hobbitt.


148 posted on 03/11/2012 5:31:19 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: jimbo123

Wasn’t John Carter Jimmy Carter’s grandddfather?


149 posted on 03/11/2012 5:35:35 PM PDT by cookcounty (Newt 2012: ---> Because he got it DONE.)
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To: pjd
"The characters and creatures and Barsoomian world were *exactly* like I pictured them from the books."

Except for wardrobe I assume.

150 posted on 03/11/2012 5:36:04 PM PDT by mlo
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