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Obama shifts healthcare defense (Necessary and Proper Clause)
The Hill ^ | 3/15/12 | Sam Baker

Posted on 03/16/2012 1:23:18 AM PDT by Libloather

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How will this matter conclude????

ONLY THE BEES KNOW !!!

Only the bees!!!


21 posted on 03/16/2012 5:58:26 AM PDT by ak267
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To: Libloather
It appears that eventually it's going to come down to:

Door #1: Overturn Wickard v. Filburn

Door #2: CWII

22 posted on 03/16/2012 7:34:56 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: itsahoot

As Mark Levin points out in his excellent new book “Ameritopia”, the Rats “front loaded” the legislation (passed as I recall by 219 to 212) with hundreds of billions of dollars that were allocated without going through constitutional legislative avenues, and with no legislative approval while they had a supermajority in Congress in order to entrench the bureaucratic tentacles of this unconstitutional monstrosity before the next election cycle.

By the time anyone (if they even do) gets around to revoking it, they will be unable to do so due to all the agencies created, the government employees hired, the offices outfitted with computers and furniture and so on.

I hate liberalism. I hate it. Yet here we are, with a president who likely has LESS than a 40% approval rating, and we are going to put Romney against him and likely see Obama win.


23 posted on 03/16/2012 10:28:34 AM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: IamConservative

The Constitution has been ignored for so long with NO ramifications or penalty for doing so, that it is being roundly ignored.


24 posted on 03/16/2012 10:30:53 AM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Jacquerie

The left is attempting to justify the Obama regimes actions by comparing the abortion pills mandate to actions taken against polygamy with the Mormons and brutality in Shia law, as practiced by Islamists. First, it should be pointed out that Mormonism began after this nation, and most all of Christendom, had established the higher moral tradition of monogamous marriage. The Government was acting to prevent an immoral and harmful practice. The same can be said when we prevent Islamists from practicing slavery, polygamy, murdering of children and wives, and so forth. Both are instances of the Government stepping in to prevent criminal activity when no other social agencies had the authority to do so. Forcing religious institutions to distribute birth control and abortion pills, and offer abortions is a very different matter. It is making it a crime to practice the Christian doctrine of respecting and honoring human life, given by God. It is also forcing religious institutions and their members to participate in sexual immorality. That is the government establishing the religion of humanism over Christianity. Exactly what the government is prohibited from doing in the 1st Amendment. Government has made a law establishing humanism and that value system, and it is prohibiting religious institutions from practicing higher moral values, even though nothing they are doing directly prevents others from practicing their immorality as promoted by the government.


25 posted on 03/16/2012 10:38:51 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Libloather

“A ruling that the mandate is unconstitutional could make it nearly impossible to implement other parts of the healthcare law—which is exactly the point the Department of Justice is highlighting in its most recent briefs. “

If I follow, they’re saying it’s okay to violate the constitution so long as it helps you do whatever it is you want to do, in this case socialize healthcare. Which makes me wonder why we have a constitution at all.


26 posted on 03/16/2012 11:13:06 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Libloather

“The court ultimately ruled on Commerce Clause grounds, but Scalia wrote in a separate opinion that it didn’t matter whether the limits on individual growers were an acceptable regulation of commerce. The government could step in as a ‘necessary and proper’ way of carrying out its broader power to criminalize drug use, he wrote.”

That makes no sense. There isn’t any justification for the Drug War except on commerce clause grounds, so far as I know. Or, should I say, on the phantom modern commerce clause; it’s not actually justified at all.

Anyway, “limits on individual growers” has to be an acceptable regulation of commerce whichever way you cut it: either as an end in itself or as a tiny corner of the larger Drug War.


27 posted on 03/16/2012 11:18:43 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: skr

“Criminalizing mind-altering drug use is a far cry from forcing people to pay for government health insurance.”

No, it isn’t. For growing and using your own drugs is not commerce any more than mere existence (the basis for falling under the mandate) is. It’s just that SCOTUS precedence since Wickard v. Filburn says growing stuff on your property is not only economic activity but interstate commerce. There is no such precendence for regulating the obviuous non-commerce that is being a breathing adult citizen.


28 posted on 03/16/2012 11:27:43 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: tobyhill

“if it’s a ‘tax’ for not purchasing something, what are they taxing?”

Existence. Call it the Life Tax.


29 posted on 03/16/2012 11:30:53 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: rlmorel
I hate liberalism. I hate it.

Especially when the GOPe such as Boehner are in their pocket. He could have undone this since not congress can bind a future congress, but he claimed he couldn’t defund it because of some stupid rule.

If people don't wake up to the fact that we have traitors within, then we are indeed finished as a Republic.

30 posted on 03/16/2012 11:54:05 AM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are my comments.)
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To: Jacquerie; Libloather; All

Thanks very much for the ping/post; thread. Waiting...watching. BUMP-TO-THE-TOP!


31 posted on 03/16/2012 4:58:21 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: tacticalogic

Overturn Wickard v. Filburn


32 posted on 03/16/2012 5:29:21 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: pallis

There was no and is no Constitutional basis for Federal action against Mormon polygyny. It was unConstitutional then and it still is now. Read the history of it. It was an utter mess.

Now, with government deeply entrenched in our lives through the 16th, Amendment 16 they tinker incessantly.


33 posted on 03/16/2012 5:33:44 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: PGalt

The link to Randy Barnett’s analysis of the Necessary and Proper clause in post 18 is superb.


34 posted on 03/16/2012 5:38:31 PM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: Jacquerie
Don't go quietly into the night. Go out with a BANG! (figuratively, of course).
35 posted on 03/16/2012 5:47:01 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: Tublecane

That’s why Scalia is so dangerous. He’s a big government conservative. How I wish we had 5 more Thomases and in their 40’s.


36 posted on 03/16/2012 5:52:50 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Libloather

“The government could step in as a necessary and proper way of carrying out its broader power “

To establish Forced Federal Labor Camp, U.S. Territory, every citzen age 26, except the Nazi Exempt Ones, who Exempted themselves.

Arbeitsziehungslager, Forced Federal Labor Camp, Fascists’ Exempt.


37 posted on 03/16/2012 6:07:30 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: Smokin' Joe

That’s right, discrimination flat out. Their great mantra, conveniently ignored this time.

Arbeitsziehungslager, Forced Federal Labor Camp 2014, Fascists Exempted themselves....DISCRIMINATION


38 posted on 03/16/2012 6:12:40 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: Libloather; All

A WORD OF CAUTION TO THE MEDIA
by Greta Van Susteren
Mar 16 2012
Sometimes when someone writes an article, others in the media seize upon it and it suddenly gets a ‘life of its own.’ That ‘life of its own’ can start a narrative in the media that is repeated. That is fine if it is correct and does not give a false impression to the public.
(and this is not the author’s fault, but rather how others have already begun to read it.)

_______________________ As the Supreme Court argument date over healthcare approaches, the Obama administration is NOT “shifting” its healthcare defense. (see below.) It is arguing the SAME points it raised in the lower appellate court – including the one that is the subject of this article below (the Necessary and Proper Clause.)

The “Necessary and Proper Clause” is not new to the litigation. It is old. It got plenty of attention in the lower court. (I was even in that Florida Court when it was argued.) That clause, and thus that argument by the Administration using that clause as support, was simply rejected by the lower court so naturally the Obama Administration is now asking the Supreme to review it, to reverse it. This is routine. It is not a shift if you ask the Supreme Court to review an argument you raised in the lower appellate court but which was rejected by that court.

In fact, without first arguing it in the lower court, the Administration would now be barred from raising it FOR THE FIRST TIME in the Supreme Court. You can’t raise new issues in the Supreme Court – you only get issues argued below considered (and upheld or reversed.)

It is appellate practice 101 — you raise every issue you think has merit (as the Administration did in the lower appellate court) and you hope that you are persuasive on one of them to give you the legal victory you seek.

http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2012/03/16/a-word-of-caution-to-the-media/


39 posted on 03/16/2012 8:52:30 PM PDT by anglian
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Fascinating. I’m just finishing the 1st quarter of the link on my 2nd read-through. Fascinating link BUMP!


40 posted on 03/17/2012 9:06:52 PM PDT by PGalt
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