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Do Wavering Obama Voters Think the Man They Voted for Is Na´ve?
National Review ^ | March 20, 2012 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 03/21/2012 6:34:48 AM PDT by george76

Do Wavering Obama Voters Think the Man They Voted For Is Naïve?

How do you persuade someone who voted for Barack Obama in 2008 to vote for the Republican option in 2012?

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a lot of Obama voters must be persuaded that they made the wrong choice in 2008, and that it isn’t their fault.

Monday I spoke to a smart political mind who had been watching focus groups of wavering Obama voters in swing states, and he said that one word that those voters kept coming back to, again and again, was “naïve.” (The term was to describe the president, not themselves.) Those who voted for Obama won’t call him stupid, and certainly don’t accept that he’s evil. But they have seen grandiose promises on the stimulus fail to materialize, Obamacare touted as the answer to all their health care needs and turn out to be nothing of the sort, pledges of amazing imminent advances in alternative energy, and so on.

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If we’re seeking to persuade Obama voters that it’s okay to vote for someone else this time, perhaps we need to reinforce that notion that he just doesn’t quite understand how things work in the real world — that he understands the theories of job creation, but not the practice. He talks about a future of algae-powered cars while rejecting pipelines.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; elections; naive; nave; nobama2012; obama; obamavoters; voters

1 posted on 03/21/2012 6:34:52 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

The policies that he is dogmatically sticking to are not working to accomplish the goals that his supporters think that every sane individual would have, yet he keeps doing them.

A few possibilities, though there may be others -
he’s naive, he’s stupid, or

his goals are not the same as those of a sane (non-communist) individual.


2 posted on 03/21/2012 6:37:56 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: george76

He’s not naive or stupid. He’s doing exactly what he and Ayers and Dohrn planned on doing years ago...............


3 posted on 03/21/2012 6:40:01 AM PDT by Red Badger (If the Government can make you buy health insurance, they can make you buy a Volt................)
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To: george76

Actually, the word they’re looking for is knave.


4 posted on 03/21/2012 6:41:28 AM PDT by and so? (If it angers you, a sarcasm or irony tag after everything I post should be assumed)
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To: Red Badger

“He’s not naive or stupid. He’s doing exactly what he and Ayers and Dohrn planned on doing years ago..........”

That is certainly one way to think of it.

On the other hand, a lot of us have never seen such an instance of cluelessness in our lives. The Cretin-in-Chief is most like an idiot-savant of liberal arts....brilliant (like certain dictators that come to mind)...in saying words with no meanings.

But clueless in all real intellectual matters.

After all, if one is a socialist/communist, one is in the came class as flat-earthers and global warming alarmists.


5 posted on 03/21/2012 6:43:19 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: MrB

Perfect.


6 posted on 03/21/2012 6:43:25 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1156 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: george76

They only nativity is the voters.


7 posted on 03/21/2012 6:46:12 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: george76

I “naive” connects with wavering Obama voters, make it a Republican talking point. Let it stick. It may be too hard to convince them that Obama knows what he’s doing and he’s doing this things intentionally.


8 posted on 03/21/2012 6:47:18 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (I'm stocking up on toilet paper. It will hold its value better than the dollar.)
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To: Clintonfatigued; Morgan in Denver; neverdem; LucyT

Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.

http://www.hark.com/clips/fsjhlcrmmb-reagan-liberals-know-so-much-that-isnt-so


9 posted on 03/21/2012 6:48:16 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
How do you persuade someone who voted for Barack Obama in 2008 to vote for the Republican option in 2012?

or at least not vote at all.

10 posted on 03/21/2012 6:49:27 AM PDT by Bearshouse
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To: george76

Evil yes, Naive is an over statement he is a bumbling idiot.


11 posted on 03/21/2012 6:51:08 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: george76

He is deliberately wrecking the economy, the societal values of America and the nation.

It is a Democrat value to conceal the truth in order to manipulate the public, as this author is suggesting.

Our responsibility is to tell the truth. What happens to that information is out of our hands.


12 posted on 03/21/2012 6:52:02 AM PDT by Piranha (If you seek perfection you will end up with Democrats.)
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To: george76

Exactly.


13 posted on 03/21/2012 6:52:52 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Piranha

From Romans 1:18,

the unrighteous suppress the truth


14 posted on 03/21/2012 6:53:55 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Obama isnt a native either.


15 posted on 03/21/2012 6:54:59 AM PDT by x_plus_one (Jihad is an institution inherent to the Islamic system itself; a permanent religious obligation)
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To: MulberryDraw

0 will still have his Kos kids, but the vast majority of independents need to conclude that Naive 0 just can’t get the job done


16 posted on 03/21/2012 6:55:30 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Da Coyote

OTOH, he could be the greatest con-artist since Barnum.............


17 posted on 03/21/2012 6:55:38 AM PDT by Red Badger (If the Government can make you buy health insurance, they can make you buy a Volt................)
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To: Red Badger
You are 100% correct. He is also evil to the core.

But you won't win over former ObaMao voters by speaking the harsh truth. If selling them on the naive or stupid line gets them to change their votes, then we'll have the chance to educate them on reality economics.

18 posted on 03/21/2012 6:56:12 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: MulberryDraw

You got it...and that is sort of what the article says. It will be nigh impossible to convince the beloved independent swing voters (ie, those that elected obama) that he is evil.

(Though of course around here, we know that he is).

But it is certainly very possible to convince those voters that he is just naive (”he means well, after all...”).

Yes, it wants to make us puke. But we are unlikely to get a thorough national repudiation of obamanomics. We might be able to push him out of office, though. And no repudiation is possible unless he is out of office...Ergo...

I agree with all of this article, except for the cleverly crafted sentence that suggests that the majority of voters who seem him as naive (but not evil) are probably right.

They are NOT right; but, we have to, alas, wage a campaign as if they were.

(Then again....IF we had a competent, capable, ethical conservative who could articulate consistently a true national repudiation of obama and all things ayers, that would actually sell, I think....problem is, we simply don’t have such a candidate and likely never will).


19 posted on 03/21/2012 6:57:13 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: george76

In order to understand them, you have to understand their motivations.
Your standard sheeperal clings to the lie of “I’m a good person” or “I’m a superior person”. Everything they believe, support, and do is with the goal of affirming this lie. They are not interested in examining an issue beyond the point where this goal is satisfied.

Any discussion of how the policy/issue/person they support is not “good” is taken as a personal attack, because it strikes at their sense of goodness or superiority.

This is why it is so difficult to discuss issues with sheeperals. You think you’re discussing the best policy to accomplish a stated goal. They feel attacked when you deride their pet policy.


20 posted on 03/21/2012 6:58:15 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Red Badger

We know that, but the lazy independents need to be given a reason to not vote for 0


21 posted on 03/21/2012 6:59:35 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Vigilanteman

How can you ‘educate’ someone who’s so wrapped up in Dancing With The Stars or American Idol to stop munching on the tortilla chips and salsa for ten minutes?.............


22 posted on 03/21/2012 7:03:12 AM PDT by Red Badger (If the Government can make you buy health insurance, they can make you buy a Volt................)
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To: Red Badger

I amazed at the influence evil people have in our society.


23 posted on 03/21/2012 7:04:19 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: george76
The few that I know who voted for obama are going to vote for him again. Why? Two reasons: 1.He is a Democrat. 2. They believe that if the Republicans would leave him alone, he would straighten things out.

One of them asked me, "What has obama done that is so bad?" My response was, "You would't understand if I told you".

24 posted on 03/21/2012 7:04:19 AM PDT by sport
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To: george76

Naive.. with the “guidance” 0bama’s getting from his boss Soros and his early Alinsyite indoctrination?

Hell, no. “Naive” doesn’t apply here. “Demonic” is more appropriate. He knows EXACTLY what he’s doing.


25 posted on 03/21/2012 7:05:56 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: george76

I think you underestimate the general ‘independent’ voter. Most have already fled the Obama Hopey/Changey utopia and are heading back to the world of hard reality. They now have seen the effects of their folly in 2008 and are ready to do penance............


26 posted on 03/21/2012 7:07:53 AM PDT by Red Badger (If the Government can make you buy health insurance, they can make you buy a Volt................)
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To: sport
My response was, "You would't understand if I told you".

"It's an individual liberty thang, you wouldn't understand."

27 posted on 03/21/2012 7:08:26 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: sport

Bingo - most of the morons who voted for obama that i know are hopelessly ignorant and uninformed.

In fact they often spout out slogans t me that are factually false and still stridently cling to them as truth.

Its really incredible.


28 posted on 03/21/2012 7:10:08 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: x_plus_one

Not in the USA context.


29 posted on 03/21/2012 7:10:29 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: television is just wrong

2 Corinthians 4

1Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

2But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

5For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake.

6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

8We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;

9Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

10Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

11For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

12So then death worketh in us, but life in you.

13We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

14Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

15For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.

16For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

17For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


30 posted on 03/21/2012 7:12:13 AM PDT by Red Badger (If the Government can make you buy health insurance, they can make you buy a Volt................)
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To: Red Badger

I hope that you are correct.

Trying to flip as many independent swing voters as possible is a good thing.

It may be easier for some of them to change their minds if they believe they overestimated Obama’s competence rather than that they supported somebody who is evil.

This would be best : Most have already fled the Obama Hopey/Changey utopia and are heading back to the world of hard reality


31 posted on 03/21/2012 7:18:39 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
There will be a couple of million voters at least, that voted for Obie last time that will either stay home or vote republican this time. Does any rational individual with a clue believe there are people out there that voted McCain in 2008 that will slap their forehead and realize they made a mistake voting R last time and will vote for Obie in November? I think not. Obie cannot run on his miserable record so this is what he has:

R voters that did not see their preferred candidate prevail in the primaries and get the nomination stay home or cast a meaningless vote for some insignificant 3rd party candidate

mobilize and capture the new idiot-youth vote that has reached voting age since the last election.

hope the number of elderly McCain voters that have passed away exceeds the number of elderly Demhole voters

the illegal alien vote

vote fraud – ignored by the MSMwhores

shameless MSM propaganda doing whatever is necessary to re-elect this puke

character assassination aided and abetted by the MSMwhores

Sadly, it may be enough

32 posted on 03/21/2012 7:22:57 AM PDT by wny
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To: george76
Just wondering: Can the President of the United States, Harvard Law School graduate Obama, practice law in Illinois?

I wish a reporter would have the courage to ask President Obama if he can or cannot practice law in Illinois, and if not, why not.

To me, if a candidate for President of the United States who is also a lawyer cannot practice law in his own home state, then I don't believe he is worthy to be elected President of the United States.

33 posted on 03/21/2012 7:26:14 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: Vigilanteman; ConservativeDude; MrB

Yesrterday Rush was talking about his liberal acquaintences and how doggedly they stick to their point of view no matter what he says. Logic is a waste of time. All of you have said the same.

Therefore, this “well-intended but naive” description may work. In addition we could inform the liberals that we seek the same things they do - clean environment, good, inexpensive health care for everyone, help for the unfortunate and downtroddened but none for the shiftless and lazy, etc., and that we only disagree with the method of distribution. They want the government to do it because they don’t trust anyone else. We want free enterprise and charities to do it because we know that a moral population operating in a market economy can and will do much more than the government and at a lower cost. We also know the government is extremely inefficient.

We know that Obama is simply a trained Communist agitater and community organizer who only reads words others have written and follows policies designed by others. We also know those others are clever, experienced Communists who are without morals or scrupples and who seek the overthrow of our Constitutional Republic. However, since they control most of the media it is very difficult for us to get our points heard. That is why our candidates end up on media controlled TV interviews and debates with moderators who try to trip them up and discredit them.

That is why this new approach, he is naive, may just work.


34 posted on 03/21/2012 7:32:48 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: sport

Describing 0 to a DUmmie as “ a nice guy, but . . .” is another way of saying he is naive and ineffectual. This line is often used as a girl dumps a former boyfriend.

The hardcore Kos Kids will still vote for him.

The answer to * What has obama done that is so bad? * might be that his naive grandiose promises on the stimulus failed to materialize, his naive health care plan is a disaster, his naive pledges of amazing imminent advances in alternative energy is killing birds,

Second, use his own wordes against him : his promises to close Gitmo..., his promises on Medical marijuana were forgotten, etc


35 posted on 03/21/2012 7:36:20 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: boomop1
Evil yes, Naive is an over statement he is a bumbling idiot.

And this is my opinion as well. As Rush Limbaugh has said on occasion, "Whenever Obama Walks into a room, he is always the least competent person in the room. "

Yes, he's the stupidest person who ever managed to get into the White House. As others have mentioned, he is a "Post Turtle."

36 posted on 03/21/2012 7:42:56 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: ConservativeDude
I know quite a few people who voted for obama because they were lifelong democrats and that's how they vote. I was talking to one of then recently and I realized that psychologically, they need permission to vote for a non-democrat.

The lady in question knew how bad off the economy was, having suffered a bout of unemployment herself, but her voice wavered as she asked me- who do we vote for then ?

That's when I realized that these people have voted dem for so long and so mindlessly that they actually need permission to vote the way they can see that they should.

So I told her- you cannot vote for Obama- the economy will absolutely crash if he gets another 4 years, and there won't be any jobs anywhere. She was visibly relived, and agreed with me.

Knowing this, give all your dem friends psychological permission to vote r- that's what they need. They can see the facts of the economy before them they just need permission to vote off the d plantation. Give it to them.

37 posted on 03/21/2012 8:03:07 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: Red Badger

Re: He’s not naive or stupid. He’s doing exactly what he and Ayers and Dohrn planned on doing years ago.

We are seeing the fundamental change that he promised.


38 posted on 03/21/2012 8:10:11 AM PDT by jesseam
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To: george76

OK, I’ll buy into the fact that calling him evil may be counterproductive, but, dwelling on his motives may not be as important as convincing these “apoliticals” that his POLICIES are failed, not working, wrong for America, and regardless of his intentions, someone else would be better in the White House.


39 posted on 03/21/2012 8:13:26 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: george76
How do you persuade someone who voted for Barack Obama in 2008 to vote for the Republican option in 2012?

Just tell them that they'll get all sorts of "free" stuff from the government if they vote for the Republican. It works for the dems every time, and anyone who voted for Zero is almost certain to be highly motivated by the prospect of some (more) free government cheese...

It doesn't matter if it isn't true. When was the last time a democrat told the truth to voters... about anything? Come on now people, we have to start fighting like democrats (with no rules whatsoever) to have any hope of stopping them.

40 posted on 03/21/2012 8:19:51 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: george76

The Kenyan Klown is a malignant narcissist and arrogant Stalinist thug whose purpose in life is to destroy this country.


41 posted on 03/21/2012 8:25:35 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: george76

I don’t begrudge anyone who wants to get the best job that they possibly can. It’s up to the people who make that hiring decision to make sure that an incompetent isn’t hired. Our great American voting public has crap for brains. Don’t blame Obama, he just wanted a job that he wasn’t prepared for. Blame those stupid Democrat voters.


42 posted on 03/21/2012 8:37:15 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: boomop1
That's why Biden was picked as his running mate--so that Barack would be the smartest guy on the ticket.

Another reason why he won't dump Biden in favor of Hillary in 2012 (apart from fear of being Arkancided).

43 posted on 03/21/2012 9:08:26 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: george76

Every day we hear about people who voted for Obama saying “I wish I had not done that.” But where are the people who voted for McCain who now say, “I voted for McCain and I’m sorry. I wish I too had voted for Obama.”?


44 posted on 03/22/2012 5:01:34 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: sport

“My response was, “You would’t understand if I told you”.”
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You’re dead on! If they were CAPABLE of understanding it they would not be asking you in the first place. You might as well try to describe a rainbow to someone blind from birth because they are WILLFULLY blind to the truth. They literally refuse to see what is in front of their faces. On the other hand if John McCain had been elected and done the exact same things they would be screaming for his head.

Americans in this day are divided between those who are in touch with reality and those who are not. I never thought I would see such an absurdity. Those who display what would have been considered the classic signs of mental derangement sixty years ago are elected to office rather than sent to the mental hospital as was normal in the old days.


45 posted on 03/22/2012 7:17:27 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: jmaroneps37

Those people are hiding behind the pink unicorns.


46 posted on 03/22/2012 7:29:04 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: Red Boots

Add proof. The reason Ronald Reagan won was because so many Democrats realized he would be a better president compared to the Democrat. And, he was. Remember, this is not the same Democrat party you joined years ago.


47 posted on 03/23/2012 5:00:58 PM PDT by Morgan in Denver (Democrats: the law of unintended consequences in action.)
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