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Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin(FL)
Charleston Conservative Examiner ^ | 21 March, 2012 | Kyle Rogers

Posted on 03/22/2012 4:55:30 AM PDT by marktwain

Last weekend in the city of Chicago alone, gangbangers slaughtered ten people and wounded another forty. The youngest fatality is only six years old. The youngest person wounded is only one-year-old. Many of the victim were pedestrians sprayed with bullets in drive by shootings. The national news has said nothing about this.

So why does one shooting in Florida warrant weeks of national news? Why has there been thousands of articles a day, for the last four days, about one single shooting?

Almost all of the news items about George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin contains a combination of false statements, opinions presented as facts, transparent distortions, and a complete absence of some of the most relevant details. Almost all news items are written soley from the point of view of the grieving family. The media also fills their articles with outdated baby-faced pictures of Trayvon. Very few include that he was a towering 6'2” football player. Is the media really reporting the news, or is this classic agitation/propaganda to advance a political agenda.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; fl; georgezimmerman; lies; politicalcorrectness; propaganda; shooting; trayvonmartin
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To: marktwain
You and other freepers are spending an awful lot of your time trying to portray the murdered Martin as somehow deserving of or the cause of his own death.

Exactly why does it matter one bit how much he weighed?

Exactly how did his apparent suspension from school contribute to his killer's actions?

Exactly what does it matter if there were a number of burglaries in the community --- was Martin breaking in to a home? Was he peeping through a window? No. He wasn't. He was walking the sidewalk after buying candy.

Recent crimes committed by other blacks in other locales are just that -- crimes committed people other than Martin. They have absolutely nothing to do with Martin --- unless one wants to argue that he just paid the price for crimes that people who share his skin color committed.

The only thing Martin was guilty of was being black in Zimmerman's neighborhood. That's why he's dead. The rest is just bullshit.

101 posted on 03/22/2012 8:26:46 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
The only thing Martin was guilty of was being black in Zimmerman's neighborhood.

Is that you, Reverend Al?

102 posted on 03/22/2012 8:28:16 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: yldstrk

Well, I guess if you got the drop on me with a lead pipe or something... THEN you might get shot if I was still conscious. ;-)

But the point still stands. When it comes to males fighting, weight an age can have little to do with who gets the drop on who. I seem to remember reading a lot of stories last year where high school kids where playing “Knock Out” against older adults in several cities. That is, they would ambush an adult (presumably heavier and older) and beat him senseless.

In cases like this, you don’t know what the intent is of your attacker, so you are obliged to defend yourself.

Now, in this particular case, we don’t know how the confrontation transpired. We have no idea who threw the first punch. We only know that an eye witness is reported to have said Zimmerman was getting pummeled. The eye witness does not seem to report that Zimmerman was brandishing at the time, which could indicate that Zimmerman only drew *as a result of being pummeled* and *as a result of no one coming to aid him in the fist fight*.

Bottom line: the cops seem to think Zimmerman acted in self defense. I’m not inclined to disagree with them for the reasons you state.


103 posted on 03/22/2012 8:29:13 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: marktwain
It is more likely for someone to be losing the fight if they were attacked by surprise.

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Utter bullshit.

I've seen many more fights where the guy who started it got his ass kicked than the other way around.

You are spinning at the speed of light and frankly, your slip is showing.

104 posted on 03/22/2012 8:29:51 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

The bullshit is that you believe Martin had the right to beat Zimmerman because he asked him a question. You forget that the right to swing your fist ends at the other guy’s nose, even if he is asking you a question.

You can’t be a victim all your life, dude.


105 posted on 03/22/2012 8:30:12 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Candor7

The media has done its assigned job, so that now it is difficult to not feel a majority of black people are bums being supported by federal oligarch handouts and only cpaable of being herded to react as directed. When the chaos starts, the only way to rebuild America will be to ‘erase’ most of the media fifth column.


106 posted on 03/22/2012 8:30:55 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: An American!
Thank you for setting the record straight, good research.
107 posted on 03/22/2012 8:31:51 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: aruanan

“leaving his car and aggressively pursuing you on foot”

You have evidence that it went down like that? I haven’t heard anything that has characterized an “aggressive pursuit.”

For all we know, Zimmerman left his car and said, “Excuse me - can I help you find something?” and was subsequently attacked by an enraged Martin screaming, “That’s what you get for following me white boy!”

Oh wait. It *probably* didn’t go down that way, but my speculation is no less valid than yours in the complete absence of facts of how the initial confrontation played out.


108 posted on 03/22/2012 8:32:47 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: arbooz
“Some comments here are beginning to resemble HuffPo more and more.”

Troll Alert?, when did they sign up?

109 posted on 03/22/2012 8:33:57 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: bolobaby

Now, in this particular case, we don’t know how the confrontation transpired. We have no idea who threw the first punch.

Bingo! You win. These are the facts that need to be flushed out.


110 posted on 03/22/2012 8:36:07 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: wtc911
"unless one wants to argue that he just paid the price for crimes that people who share his skin color committed."

Sort of reminds one about the muslim targeting.

111 posted on 03/22/2012 8:39:38 AM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Ratman83
One major problem with your statement. If your wife started fighting back she would actually be starting a fight. She would be the aggressor.

How? If that were the case, every instance of self defense would be considered being the agressor. Then what's the point of the "stand your ground" law? If you feel REASONABLY threatened, you have the right to fight back. Someone behind you on a sidewalk is not reasonable. Someone, in a car, following my wife in the dark... then getting out of the car and following after her when she tries to get away is a case for feeling REASONABLY threatened.

112 posted on 03/22/2012 8:40:05 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: SZonian

They lie....

in order to get a suspension of 10 days, Martin would have had to either commit “repeated, serious or habitual” acts of the following:


113 posted on 03/22/2012 8:40:33 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: wtc911; All
You and other freepers are spending an awful lot of your time trying to portray the murdered Martin as somehow deserving of or the cause of his own death.

You assume Trayvon Martin was murdered. If he started the attack, then he was likely killed in self defense.

Exactly why does it matter one bit how much he weighed?

Because if bears on the assertion of self defense by George Zimmerman. It also bears on the credibility of his partisans. If they lied about his weight, what else are they lying about?

Exactly how did his apparent suspension from school contribute to his killer's actions?

It has some bearing on the credibility of George Zimmerman's claim that this was a self defense shooting. We have seen much of George Zimmerman's past being brought forward as evidence of his mindset.

Exactly what does it matter if there were a number of burglaries in the community --- was Martin breaking in to a home? Was he peeping through a window? No. He wasn't. He was walking the sidewalk after buying candy.

Again, it has to do with George Zimmerman's mindset. It shows that his concerns were realistic and not paranoid.

Recent crimes committed by other blacks in other locales are just that -- crimes committed people other than Martin. They have absolutely nothing to do with Martin --- unless one wants to argue that he just paid the price for crimes that people who share his skin color committed.

True, but Martin was a stranger in the community. It is not unreasonable that he was considered suspect.

The only thing Martin was guilty of was being black in Zimmerman's neighborhood. That's why he's dead. The rest is just bullshit.

Unless he attacked George Zimmerman unprovoked, which is what George Zimmerman claimed, and which the police found to be consistent with the physical evidence.

114 posted on 03/22/2012 8:44:46 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: yldstrk
The facts on how the confrontation started need to be "flushed out"? Well, the cops and prosecutors have statements from one or more witnesses and from Zimmerman - and Martin ain't talking.

Anything further is sheer speculation by the media and left-wing agitators (but I repeat myself). Any "new witnesses" that belatedly come forward will be highly suspect.

115 posted on 03/22/2012 8:46:34 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: marktwain

Thanks.


116 posted on 03/22/2012 8:47:30 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: marktwain

Thanks.


117 posted on 03/22/2012 8:47:48 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

in florida prosecutors operate on the principle of win at all costs because EVERYONE is guilty of something and even if not guilty of “this” crime then it is just a conviction for those unknown crimes.

Prosecutors even lie to juries trying to manipulate that criminal jury trials are supposed to be “fair”. Jury trials are, by design, supposed to be UNFAIR to the prosecution.


118 posted on 03/22/2012 8:47:48 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
I don’t think this has a chance in court.

Of course, you are correct. However, after the first Sharpton-led demo-riot at a nearby housing project, the Affirmative Action Anus in the DA's office will be assigned to bring charges of some sort to get Zimmerman into court.

And of course, Holder (speaking of Affirmative Action Ani) will always have the option of bringing Federal Civil Rights charges. Zimmerman (not a totally sympathetic character) stands a damn good chance of being railroaded. Either way, this will be played on African-American drums all over the country as the Campaigner rolls out the "Racist" heavy artillery.

119 posted on 03/22/2012 8:48:47 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: Inspectorette; arbooz
The picture is a current one of Trayvon Martin ----- just not the Trayvon Martin who was murdered.

The pictured Trayvon Martin's FB states that he is a middle school student in Chicago.

The murdered Trayvon Martin's facebook is also listed in a search of the name. The picture there though is just the kid wearing earphones --- nothing thuggish or offensive.

I am sure, arbooz, that you knew this before you posted the wrong kid's picture.

So, what is your agenda?

120 posted on 03/22/2012 8:51:19 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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