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Chinese leaders order internet whitewash amid rumours attempted military coup
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 22 March 2012 | Peter Simpson

Posted on 03/22/2012 5:21:28 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick

'Tanks in the streets of Beijing'

Nervous leaders in China have blocked all internet reports of an alleged attempted coup.

Online reports of tanks on the streets of the capital Beijing and shots fired within the secure leaders' compound - which is located next door the top tourist attraction, the Forbidden City - are being closely monitored by the international intelligence communities, including the U.S. and UK.

Popular Chinese microblogging sites Sina Weibo, QQ Weibo and the bulletin board of the search engine Baidu, all reported 'abnormalities' in Beijing on the night of March 19.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beijingcoup; china; chinacoup; coup; energy; internet

1 posted on 03/22/2012 5:21:40 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Well, its the Daily Mail, so let’s just wait and see...


2 posted on 03/22/2012 5:28:27 PM PDT by THX 1138 ("Harry, I have a gift.")
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To: THX 1138

It is the Mail and while they do have silly stories relating to minor issues I can’t imagine they’d let their, presumably highly paid, correspondent in Beijing lose the run of himself, I suspect there might be something to this.


3 posted on 03/22/2012 5:32:52 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Today the government denied rumors that...


4 posted on 03/22/2012 5:37:46 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1157 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: PotatoHeadMick

The hardliners want to get rid of the market economy.

I guess they want to impoverish China like it use to be.

They’ll need to call in that debt pretty quick.


5 posted on 03/22/2012 5:39:50 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

If something really serious was up, China would have put all their military forces on alert and likely cut off all communications in and out of the country. That would result in increased surveillance by American intelligence assets, including RC-135 flights 30-50 miles off the coastline of China. And it would put the Taiwanese military on high alert, and American forces on Okinawa, Japan and South Korea would be put on higher alert status also.


6 posted on 03/22/2012 5:40:09 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

This isn’t in a backwater area, it is the same as having a shootout on the national mall in D.C. There are tourists everywhere. We may have to wait until they get back home, but if it was big enough, someone saw it.


7 posted on 03/22/2012 5:40:26 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: GeronL

“The hardliners want to get rid of the market economy....”

Maybe they’ll team up with our leaders in DC....


8 posted on 03/22/2012 5:42:07 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Muslim spring?


9 posted on 03/22/2012 5:44:01 PM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: mo

DC in the east Pacific.


10 posted on 03/22/2012 5:45:17 PM PDT by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: mo

did anyone get a picture of these tanks?


11 posted on 03/22/2012 5:46:56 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo

What are you two hearing?


12 posted on 03/22/2012 5:49:25 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: GeronL

They can call it in all they want. They are bonds. They can sell them or they can hold em. Otherwise Bernake will just print more money to pay them.


13 posted on 03/22/2012 5:51:29 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
OK, I looked around, and it looks like a power struggle may be on. Bo is what I guess you would call a hard-liner. There is quite a bit of dissatisfaction with the way economic reforms are going on over there. My wife is Chinese, from the PRC, and I've been there a number of times. One thing that is always preached is "harmony", which, considering the divisions Chinese crony capitalism has created, is in pretty short supply. The last thing the leadership wants is to appear divided.

This guy Bo looks like he wants to derail the market reforms that have been achieved. But I'm guessing the real reason they whacked this guy was because he wanted to crack down on corruption, which is rampant there. Guarantee you that's why the current leadership wanted him gone. They're all crooks and everybody there knows it.

14 posted on 03/22/2012 5:54:17 PM PDT by THX 1138 ("Harry, I have a gift.")
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To: GeronL

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20120322000063&cid=1101


15 posted on 03/22/2012 5:59:16 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: mo

bump


16 posted on 03/22/2012 6:00:18 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: hoosiermama
I heard the news before major news outlet picked it up. Nobody knows for sure, but it seems that there is no outright coup. Maybe some low-scale confrontation such as what happened in Chongqing when high ranking police official tried to defect to U.S.. Still the power struggle is real.
17 posted on 03/22/2012 6:08:00 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

That can’t happen here, because our leader doesn’t have the power to... Oh yeah, never mind.


18 posted on 03/22/2012 6:17:33 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: THX 1138

China is a house of cards, that can fall at any time.


19 posted on 03/22/2012 6:20:24 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dfwgator
China is a house of cards, that can fall at any time.

What do you mean, economically or politically?

China has a lot of economic problems that are being made worse by corruption. Politically, the current leadership will do whatever it takes to keep a lid on any kind of social problems, even if that means putting tanks on the street. What do you think the 3 million strong PLA is for? Who are they going to attack with that large an army? No, that's for internal control...

20 posted on 03/22/2012 6:38:03 PM PDT by THX 1138 ("Harry, I have a gift.")
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To: hoosiermama
Nothing on the scale of Tienanmen uprising, but there had been some sophisticated moves in Beijing with APCs and police cars moving here and fro, and with crackdowns on the Chinese internet when discussion of same (along with photos), take place. There was some action on the main Beijing drag, Chang An 長安街 Blvd, the other night. I guess the Chicoms monitor FR so I will not go into detail all the other things are are known about them at this time, but things are touhy. Factionalism and vying for power. Same thing is occuring in North Korea, but in that case, more with outright purges involving executions, not just house arrest. I mean, they are mortaring people from 300 yards it seems. Really sick stuff coming from the new Boy King up there.
21 posted on 03/22/2012 6:39:15 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (If Free Republic morphs into a supportive site for Romney, I'll conclude my 13 year participation.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

this hasn’t disappeared yet? ;-)


22 posted on 03/22/2012 6:40:56 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: THX 1138
What do you mean, economically or politically?

Yes.

23 posted on 03/22/2012 6:42:09 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

How much influence does an unstable China have on the boy king?


24 posted on 03/22/2012 6:48:42 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: THX 1138
Are we sure what's allegedly going on isn't simply the opening of a new Chinese amusement park called Tiananmen Square Massacre Fantasy?
25 posted on 03/22/2012 7:12:17 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

So do I understand you correctly that some sort of extra security activity is occurring and the internet is indeed being blocked?

Would you say then that there might actually be something to this report?


26 posted on 03/22/2012 7:24:28 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick
Well, internet blocking occurs incessantly. For information out of there, you need two or three independent confirmations. Sometimes the sources are simply very anti-PRC regime and will print anything, such as religious cults being cracked down upon by the PRC authorities. The best eyewitnesses might well be US or other foreign businessmen there who might be cavalierly witness to such stuff going down, or maybe foreign students who are fluent in Chinese who can pick up what the rumors are. In this day and age of small webcams, iPhones, flash drives, twitter, dummy domain names/blockers, proxy servers, etc. there are ways to get the photos out and over the "Chinese Great Wall". I have already seen one, several nights ago, of a blocked Beijing intersection by Public Security Bureau police, but not a particularly large presence such as columns of armored vehicles. If they start to kick out foreign press you will know something is coming down. I dont want to go into too much detail here as I dont want to quote a source in open form and then have the gonganju show up on that persons front door with handcuffs.
27 posted on 03/22/2012 7:32:29 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (If Free Republic morphs into a supportive site for Romney, I'll conclude my 13 year participation.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; THX 1138; TigerLikesRooster; hoosiermama; GeronL; Vince Ferrer; RayChuang88

Now being picked up by the BBC’s correspondent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-17476760


28 posted on 03/22/2012 10:33:10 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick

“I say we go into orbit and nuke them from space.” Ripley


29 posted on 03/22/2012 10:33:51 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"If they start to kick out foreign press you will know something is coming down."

Agreed. My thinking is that a faction of the Chi-com high command is trying to re-constitue their old communist ways. China has become a powerhouse of economics, but the elders are growing weary of market economics. They want the old communist ways, as many do in Russia.

Think obama and all his "high command" who want a socialist/communist system. Much easier for a nation that has experienced it for decades to re-constitute.

30 posted on 03/23/2012 12:09:09 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

Sounds like our “boy king” (Obambi for those in Rio Vista) gets his 3am call.


31 posted on 03/23/2012 12:17:35 AM PDT by spokeshave (Dole/McCain/Romney losers all....NEWT is da Man)
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To: A Navy Vet
"Raise the Red Banner of Mao Tse Tung thought HIGH!" / sarc

Well, at least Anita Dunn will be pleased. Probably scores of other czars and czarinas in the White House, too. Certainly lots of folks at the State Department China desk will get a boner over it (China going more Red).

32 posted on 03/23/2012 1:56:01 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (If Free Republic morphs into a supportive site for Romney, I'll conclude my 13 year participation.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I think someone big is up when the following start happening:

1. The foreign press is forced out of China, or at least out of the city of Beijing.

2. The Chinese government interrupts the operations of Walmart and McDonald's in China, and news start coming out of Bentonville, AR (the corporate headquarters for Walmart) and Oak Brook, IL (the corporate headquarters for McDonald's) of such an event. It would also be necessary to closely monitor any activity at Apple, since Apple products are assembled by several Foxconn assembly lines all over China.

33 posted on 03/23/2012 3:44:47 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: A Navy Vet

[ “If they start to kick out foreign press you will know something is coming down.”
Agreed. My thinking is that a faction of the Chi-com high command is trying to re-constitue their old communist ways. China has become a powerhouse of economics, but the elders are growing weary of market economics. They want the old communist ways, as many do in Russia.

Think obama and all his “high command” who want a socialist/communist system. Much easier for a nation that has experienced it for decades to re-constitute. ]

Not to mention if China’s economy starts tanking a bit (which it seems to be doing). It will give the old Guard a lot more excuses/reasons to seize control over the younger people in leadership....


34 posted on 03/23/2012 9:13:19 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: PotatoHeadMick; AmericanInTokyo; TigerLikesRooster; hoosiermama; GeronL; Vince Ferrer; ...
Check out a book by a Canadian guy who has spent a lot of time in China, named Troy Parfitt "Why China Will Never Rule The World". There is a short YouTube video of him speaking as well.

His argument is that, because of its history of Confucianism, which preaches a strong hierarchy (the intellectual class loves that), they'll never be able to compete with the west, let alone exert much, if any, influence in the world. Interesting argument.

35 posted on 03/23/2012 9:45:15 AM PDT by THX 1138 ("Harry, I have a gift.")
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22 posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:40:56 PM by Brown Deer: “this hasn’t disappeared yet? ;-)”

No kids involved, plus it's not Spring Break in Mexico. /sarc

Seriously, I support what Free Republic's admin mod did in following the lead of others in yanking inappropriate posts on the Obama children. My point is that the Chinese have no legitimate reason to get American websites to scrub discussion of this.

Also, thank you to TigerLikesRooster and AmericaninTokyo for your work on the ground. The next time I'm in Korea, I may ask if I can look both of you up since most Korean flights stop in Tokyo. Unfortunately the last time I was sent on business to Korea by my newspaper was over a decade ago, and I lost out on a chance to work for the English-language desk of a certain Seoul newspaper in 2001, so all my Korea travel since then has been personal on my own dime. Plus now I have to pay somebody else to do my job when I'm gone on top of paying my own paycheck. Capitalism sometimes carries certain negatives like having to figure out how to pay my employees and my own bills, too, but obviously the Chinese and North Korean alternatives to capitalism are horrifically worse.

36 posted on 03/23/2012 1:37:00 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

Just let us know...


37 posted on 03/23/2012 5:08:11 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (If Free Republic morphs into a supportive site for Romney, I'll conclude my 13 year participation.)
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To: THX 1138

This was reported on Rick Wiles/Tru News the night before last. My brother called me but I couldn’t find anything on it at all but this confirms it. DM has lousy editing but they do seem to break stories or print stories quicker than the maggots we call journalists here in the states.


38 posted on 03/23/2012 7:45:49 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (The biggest Hate group in America is located in the White House, Congress & DOJ)
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To: Outlaw Woman

Correction: It was on the Roger Hedgecock show.


39 posted on 03/24/2012 7:21:31 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (The biggest Hate group in America is located in the White House, Congress & DOJ)
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To: A Navy Vet

[My thinking is that a faction of the Chi-com high command is trying to re-constitue their old communist ways.]

Paranoid about getting a run on their NyLon pantyhose maybe.


40 posted on 03/24/2012 11:10:46 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Thank you.


41 posted on 03/24/2012 2:16:22 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: THX 1138

Of interest:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-03-economists-assert-political-wealth-nations.html


42 posted on 03/25/2012 8:04:53 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; All
Bump. It looks like we now have an explanation:

Online whispers
The anatomy of a coup rumour
Apr 5th 2012, 7:22 by G.E. | Beijing
http://www.economist.com/blogs/analects/2012/04/online-whispers

In a free Western democratic system of government, rumors circulating on the internet about things like traffic blockages wouldn't even be considered news, but if they were, they'd quickly get proved right or wrong, either via the mainstream media or via “crowdsourcing” (of which Free Republic is a major example). Look, for example, at how quickly we learned about the plane crash in Virginia Beach.

In a country like China, minor stuff like this becomes an international incident and leads to a half-dozen people getting detained.

This is an excellent example of how authoritarian states fear information getting to their people, and while leaders of democratic states get annoyed by wrong reports, they realize the alternative is far worse.

Even with the American military, Army Public Affairs doctrine is “maximum disclosure, minimum delay.” If troops don't believe their commanders are being honest about battlefield defeats and crime in the ranks and corruption from senior leaders, they won't know if they can trust their leaders to be honest about the reasons for following orders that can get people killed or seriously injured.

The media can be a major pain in the neck, obviously. That's our job. What just happened in China is an example of why that job is important — the alternative to media being able to check out rumors and find out if they're true is that rumors spread widely and nobody knows what to believe.

43 posted on 04/06/2012 9:03:03 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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