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Allen West Calls Trayvon Martin Shooting an ‘Outrage’ and Endorses Federal Investigation
The Blaze ^ | March 22, 2012 | Mytheos Holt

Posted on 03/22/2012 9:03:25 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Ever since his CPAC Keynote Address in 2010, Rep. Allen West (R-FL) has been one of the gold standards of modern American political conservatism. He has also been widely hailed as a political model for conservative African American politicians. And now, following recent revelations surrounding the highly suspicious shooting of Trayvon Martin, Rep. West has joined a growing bipartisan consensus calling for the case to be reopened, possibly even with Federal assistance. West’s statement, put out today by Talking Points Memo, resonates with controlled fury (emphasis added):

itself in Sanford, Florida involving the shooting of 17-year-old Treyvon Martin. First of all, if all that has been reported is accurate, the Sanford Police Chief should be relieved of his duties due to what appears to be a mishandling of this shooting in its early stages. The US Navy SEALS identified Osama Bin Laden within hours, while this young man laid on a morgue slab for three days. The shooter, Mr Zimmerman, should have been held in custody and certainly should not be walking free, still having a concealed weapons carry permit. From my reading, it seems this young man was pursued and there was no probable cause to engage him, certainly not pursue and shoot him….against the direction of the 911 responder. Let’s all be appalled at this instance not because of race, but because a young American man has lost his life, seemingly, for no reason. I have signed a letter supporting a DOJ investigation. I am not heading to Sanford to shout and scream, because we need the responsible entities and agencies to handle this situation from this point without media bias or undue political influences. This is an outrage.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: 2014election; 2016election; allenwest; blackkk; election2014; election2016; florida; georgezimmerman; georgia; mytheosholt; niceshooting; normwolfinger; selfdefense; standyourground; trayvon; trayvonmartin
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To: MARKUSPRIME
My posts were not directed at you I just hit reply on the last post that was up :p

Ah, well, that was hard to see. Carry on then. :-)

251 posted on 03/23/2012 1:28:15 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: kabar
Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer, when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.

I don't think he returned to his vehicle but rather he continued to follow the kid. The incident happened in the back yard of a townhouse, didn't it?

252 posted on 03/23/2012 1:29:00 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: 101stAirborneVet; SoldierDad
Sorry, but I think this was not quite in the FReeper spirit.

SoldierDad insults everyone all the time no matter what the issue or what the discussion is. He has some issues.

253 posted on 03/23/2012 1:30:25 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

As nobody saw how the fight started, nobody can state how long it lasted. The best they can do is state how long it lasted from the moment they first witnessed it.

Thanks for playing.


254 posted on 03/23/2012 1:31:09 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: TigersEye

Your intent has been clear from the start. I’m unsure if it is the case that you’re sitting in your parents basement imbibing large quantities of your dad’s alcohol, or smoking your bong, or if you’ve neglected your medication and are decompensating, but this evening’s entertainment has been facinating. Thanks for much amusement. Have a, well, what ever it is that you have, and enjoy the rest of your morning.


255 posted on 03/23/2012 1:31:49 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: TigersEye
You’re a pathological liar, cynwoody. And a 0bot troll. Go back to DU or whatever rock you crawled out from under.

I'm honored, coming from you.

256 posted on 03/23/2012 1:32:27 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: 101stAirborneVet

A witness who is unable to testify to who started the confrontation. Whether the 17 year old was on top of Zimmerman is meaningless without knowning what started this incident.


257 posted on 03/23/2012 1:34:09 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Jonty30
Which has nothing to do with what we were talking about.

Thanks for playing.

258 posted on 03/23/2012 1:35:12 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

We need a “like” button ...


259 posted on 03/23/2012 1:35:46 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: SoldierDad
Your intent has been clear from the start.

Not to you it hasn't judging from your replies.

260 posted on 03/23/2012 1:37:14 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: 101stAirborneVet

Nothing is missing. I question the investigation’s thoroughness because there is no evidence that has come to light which supports Zimmerman’s claim he was attacked by the 17 year old unprovoked. A bloody nose and a kid lying dead are hardly evidence the kid started the incident. Unless people believe that someone who possibly initiates a confrontation, and then is on the losing end of the proposition, may then use a firearm to kill the person they are losing to and justify it by claiming self-defense? I want to know the facts of what actually happened before the fight and before the shooting. I don’t understand why that is seen as inappropriate to know.


261 posted on 03/23/2012 1:39:44 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Jonty30

He’s a juvenile. Not having a record as a juvenile is NOT the same as not having a record. His criminal record is unknowable.


262 posted on 03/23/2012 1:41:28 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: SoldierDad

SoldierDad,

What do you think was NOT done in this investigation that you believe SHOULD HAVE been done?


263 posted on 03/23/2012 1:41:35 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: TigersEye

You’re completely transparent. Not only to me, but anyone who reads your inane comments.


264 posted on 03/23/2012 1:41:39 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Jonty30
The fight lasted long enough for Zimmerman's jacket to get covered with wet grass stains, for his nose to be broken and have lacerations to the back of his head. Still, he called for help (recorded on the police call) and reported by the eye witness "John" who opted not to help, but retreated to the safety of his home and locked the sliding glass door. Zimmerman was left with the choice of being beaten to death or using the only means of defense in his possession. The gunshot happened after "John" retreated inside and walked upstairs. Martin was face down because that was his position when he was pummeling Zimmerman's face.
265 posted on 03/23/2012 1:42:54 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: SoldierDad

Happily, so are you! ;-)


266 posted on 03/23/2012 1:45:01 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Alice in Wonderland
I don't think he returned to his vehicle but rather he continued to follow the kid. The incident happened in the back yard of a townhouse, didn't it?

You are incorrect. Zimmerman started to chase Martin after Martin started to run. The dispatcher at the SFD asked if he was pursuing, he said yes, dispatcher said you don't need to do that, Zimmerman said okay. Stopped and stated to dispatcher that he didn't know where Martin was. Listen to entire Zimmerman call to SFD. You can find a link in post #33 on this thread.

267 posted on 03/23/2012 1:47:49 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: SoldierDad; Gene Eric
...has little to do with what initated the physical confrontation prior to the shooting.

In this entire mess, that's the rub. THAT is what needs to be understood.

The neighborhood is reported to be LESS than 50% white, so it would seem unlikely that Zimmerman focused on Martin purely out of some racist animosity. That is, it couldn't have been unusual to see a black man walking down the street in that neighborhood, so that alone shouldn't have been a red flag for Zimmerman.

What did Zimmerman see that made him nervous, that made him track the movements of this (6'2") teen? Was Martin strolling along toward home with purpose and a destination, or was he moving slowly and aimlessly? Was he stopping to peek into parked cars? Did Martin take a "shortcut" across private lawns? Did he look like he was "casing" a house?

WHAT made Zimmerman nervous enough to call the police even before the confrontation ever took place?

One very important thing is missing here: Zimmerman's FULL side of the story.

268 posted on 03/23/2012 1:48:28 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: 101stAirborneVet

The information that has been reported strongly indicates that the only “investigation” that took place was taking Zimmerman’s statement, taking statements from neighbors who only heard noises, and one who saw the very last thing that happened. Perhaps the gun was dusted for prints and a ballistic sample taken. I’ve not seen anything which indicates that a full crime scene investigation, including splatter evidence, gunshot residue, ballistic trajectory, for examples, was conducted. If such investigation took place, why has no one mentioned this? There does not seem to be any background investigation into either the 17 year old or Zimmerman. These are investigative techniques which are typical in a case like this, no?


269 posted on 03/23/2012 1:49:20 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Shethink13
Zimmerman is out of breath so the officer asks if he is pursuing suspect. Zimmerman says yes and officer says "we don't need you to do that" and Zimmerman says OKAY. It is then apparent that Zimmerman has stopped pursuing because his voice becomes more in control.

The officer states they are dispatching to the location and asks if Zimmerman wants to meet the police there. The officer asks where he wants to meet them and there's discussion about where to meet. The officer asks Zimmerman for his address and after starting to give the address, Zimmerman hesitates because he doesn't know where the suspect is so he asks to have the police call him when they get there.

So first of all, unless you think he was lying to the police when he said he didn't know where Martin was, how is it possible that he was pursuing him? He was waiting for the police to come and planned on meeting them, and had already agreed not to pursue Martin (again unless you think he was lying to the police).

I don't think George was 'lying' to the police. But I do think after he got off the phone he decided to find out exactly where the kid went and began to follow him on foot. The incident happened in a back yard, not on the street or near the mailboxes where George was supposed to wait for the police.

270 posted on 03/23/2012 1:50:54 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Lancey Howard
One very important thing is missing here: Zimmerman's FULL side of the story.

There is one other important thing missing. The 17 year old's side of what happened. Since he's dead, his story will never be heard.

271 posted on 03/23/2012 1:52:02 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Alice in Wonderland
From 6’0”/160# to 6’3”/200# is a big growth spurt and weight gain in one year

No it is not. I was 4' 9" at age 11 when my grandparents came to visit. It was marked and dated on the wall. I had a size 6C shoe. The following year, I was 6' 3/8" with a size 10EE shoe and weighed 112 lbs.

The driver's license on Martin said 6' 0"/160#. If that was on his 16th birthday and he is 17 now (potentially almost 18), that would be 2 years for 3" of growth vertically and 40 lbs. The summer after my 112 lb measurement, I entered 7th grade at age 13 and 135 lb. Another 20 lbs of muscle added in that year.

272 posted on 03/23/2012 1:52:02 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Lancey Howard; SoldierDad

>> One very important thing is missing here: Zimmerman’s FULL side of the story.

Exactly. And we’re allowed to insist on that disclosure without the gratuitous accusations of bigotry.


273 posted on 03/23/2012 1:53:22 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: 101stAirborneVet

We’re in the days of the internet. There is little that cannot be found, if people are looking.

If the kid had a serious criminal record, somebody would have found it. If no allegations of a criminal life pops up, odds ate it doesn’t exist, not because people aren’t looking for it.


274 posted on 03/23/2012 1:54:00 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: SoldierDad
The information that has been reported strongly indicates that the only “investigation” that took place was taking Zimmerman’s statement, taking statements from neighbors who only heard noises, and one who saw the very last thing that happened. Perhaps the gun was dusted for prints and a ballistic sample taken.

Again you conveniently leave out an important piece of the puzzle. How about the fact that Mr. Zimmerman was on the phone with the SPD dispatcher describing the situation and asking for police intervention minutes before the altercation occurred?

275 posted on 03/23/2012 1:56:48 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: 101stAirborneVet

Something else to consider here. If this is simply a cut and dried case of self-defense (and perhaps it is), then why would the local law enforcement, knowing the firestorm this incident would create, not be bending over backwards to release every possible piece of information which validates self-defense? I would think they would be doing everything possible to calm things down. But, instead, the Chief is taking a self-imposed resignation? That does not inspire confidence that the police have done their job.


276 posted on 03/23/2012 1:56:53 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Shethink13

And? Does that provide proof that the 17 year old initiated the confrontation? If it does, then give details.


277 posted on 03/23/2012 1:58:12 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Jonty30

“Don’t know, as nobody has stated how long the fight lasted.”
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The whole thing seems to have happened really fast. Zimmerman 1st call to the police at 7:11pm

Girlfriend calls Trayvon at 7:12 pm —that call lasted 4 minutes before Trayvon confronts Zimmerman about following him and Zimmerman responds what are you doing here—fight starts and phone goes dead.

And I believe the police report says they arrived at 7:17pm.


278 posted on 03/23/2012 1:59:33 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: SoldierDad

>> The 17 year old’s side of what happened. Since he’s dead, his story will never be heard.

I’m more than happy to defend Black folk, especially when it involves the little ones. But this case should be approached with some reservation given the knee-jerk public reaction to the widely published superficial information. Not taking sides, just “keeping it real”.


279 posted on 03/23/2012 1:59:44 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: Jonty30
Let’s just ignore the reported fact that Trayvon does not have any sort of criminal record, violent or nonviolent, so he’s unlikely a candidate to commit random acts of violence, k?

The reason he is at the gated community is because he was suspended from school for 5 days. That's indicative of serious misbehavior. Minor misbehavior is "rewarded" with detention.

280 posted on 03/23/2012 2:00:01 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Gene Eric
Exactly. And we’re allowed to insist on that disclosure without the gratuitous accusations of bigotry.

Not everyone on this thread agrees. I've been called emotional and histrionic, as well as supportive of the race-baiters. I just realized something. Apparently First Amendment rights can not only be denied by people on the left, but also by people who claim to be on the right.

281 posted on 03/23/2012 2:02:36 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Gene Eric

All I’m looking for is the facts. I don’t have a need to have them go in one direction over the other. If Zimmerman was defending himself from a thug, then so be it. If Zimmerman initiated an unneccessary confrontation, and is criminally liable, then so be it. I’m only wanting the truth to come out.


283 posted on 03/23/2012 2:07:12 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: SoldierDad
Apparently First Amendment rights can not only be denied by people on the left, but also by people who claim to be on the right.

Talk about emotional histrionics. The 1st Amendment say "Congress shall make no law.." and you equate differences of opinion to that? LOL

284 posted on 03/23/2012 2:07:43 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Myrddin

Sorry, I’ve read enough zero tolerance stories to know they suspend kids for stuff that used to be ignored.

Unless somebody can show that whatever he was suspended for was really serious and chronic, I have no choice but to find Trayvon Martin guilty of being a normal teenager.


285 posted on 03/23/2012 2:08:01 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: SoldierDad
I just realized something. Apparently First Amendment rights can not only be denied by people on the left, but also by people who claim to be on the right.

You see, this is exactly the reason you are being accused of histrionics. No one on this forum can deny you your First Amendment rights. Someone disagreeing with you and providing facts that you can't refute is not tantamount to denying you a right.

286 posted on 03/23/2012 2:08:26 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: Myrddin
The reason he is at the gated community is because he was suspended from school for 5 days. That's indicative of serious misbehavior.

Would you say a three day suspension from high school is indicative of serious misbehavior?

287 posted on 03/23/2012 2:08:44 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: SoldierDad
And? Does that provide proof that the 17 year old initiated the confrontation? If it does, then give details.

Nope. It does support Zimmerman's version of the facts though.

288 posted on 03/23/2012 2:12:32 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: Shethink13

There have been no facts presented by you or anyone else which refutes my position that there are no facts regarding how the confrontation started or who is responsible. The ONLY facts in evidence is that a confrontation occurred and a 17 year old is dead. The only witness, the man who shot the 17 year old has claimed self-defense, and, thus far, the local law enforcment has accepted his word, in my opinion without doing a thorough investigation. The fact that there are so many on this thread who have done their damnest to shut down anyone who is asking for more answers speaks for itself.


289 posted on 03/23/2012 2:14:12 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: SoldierDad
The 17 year old's side of what happened. Since he's dead, his story will never be heard.

That's a very good point.
Of course, that doesn't stop the scumbag Democrat "mainstream" newsrooms from presenting their own agitprop versions of, "the 17 year old's side of what happened".

290 posted on 03/23/2012 2:14:23 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: SoldierDad

Yes, you’re a Victim. Your voice has been silenced. Your rights have been taken away. A true Victim if there ever was one.


291 posted on 03/23/2012 2:16:11 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: SoldierDad

Ah, I see. The problem is that it need not be proven that he was attacked unprovoked by Martin, because he does not need to be exonerated. Rather, the opposite is true - there must be probable cause that that Zimmerman attacked first to establish this.

The mere fact that it is unknown who attacked first does not establish probable cause for an arrest of Zimmerman.


292 posted on 03/23/2012 2:16:28 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: SoldierDad

Page 1 of the police report indicates:

“Was Crime Scene Processed?”.....”Yes”
“Processed By”.....”D47920 Smith, Diana”

Page 3 indicates:

“Lt. Taylor arrived on scene and notified dispatch to have Major Crimes respond to the scene.”

This would have summoned detectives and crime scene technicians.


293 posted on 03/23/2012 2:16:35 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: Jonty30

“We’re in the days of the internet. There is little that cannot be found, if people are looking.

If the kid had a serious criminal record, somebody would have found it. If no allegations of a criminal life pops up, odds ate it doesn’t exist, not because people aren’t looking for it.”

Sorry, but juvenile criminal records cannot be found “on the internet”. Even if a docket is found, such records DO NOT CONTAIN THE NAME OF THE SUSPECT, rather their initials.


294 posted on 03/23/2012 2:16:50 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: Shethink13

No. But thanks for playing. There are other interpretations. After reading much of what some have written on this thread I can understand why the media has a field day with their ability to peg conservatives as racists, despite being wrong. The very fact that you and others are not open to other interpretations of events that are unclear gives liberals all the ammunition they need to make those claims. It’s a pity that conservatives keep shooting themselves in the foot on race relations.


295 posted on 03/23/2012 2:16:58 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: SoldierDad

“Apparently First Amendment rights can not only be denied by people on the left, but also by people who claim to be on the right.”
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I don’t think anyone is trying to stifle your speech, but instead debate with you the merits of what you are claiming.


296 posted on 03/23/2012 2:17:02 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: SoldierDad

“Something else to consider here. If this is simply a cut and dried case of self-defense (and perhaps it is), then why would the local law enforcement, knowing the firestorm this incident would create, not be bending over backwards to release every possible piece of information which validates self-defense? I would think they would be doing everything possible to calm things down. But, instead, the Chief is taking a self-imposed resignation? That does not inspire confidence that the police have done their job.”

Some information is kept confidential because it could be evidence in future court proceedings, whether civil or criminal.

The Chief has little choice. His department is being lynched in the court of public opinion (honestly, even you are here saying they’ve not done their jobs) so he is stepping down because he hopes riots will be less likely if the black community feels people are “doing something”.


297 posted on 03/23/2012 2:17:49 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: SoldierDad

Well, FRiend, unless someone is calling your character into question, I’d dismiss the contentious arguments as exercises in debate. I rarely encounter an argument that doesn’t offer the opportunity to check the Constitutional ground rules we’re all fighting for. The sparring — it is good.


298 posted on 03/23/2012 2:18:47 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: SoldierDad

Ah, yes, the Race Card. When all else fails...


299 posted on 03/23/2012 2:19:00 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: 101stAirborneVet

Merits? Which merits are those. Speculation as to what took place prior to the physical altercation and the shooting? Because that is all anyone has, including me. Why are these individuals here so hell-bent on shutting me and anyone else down who are simply asking for answers to questions that have none.


300 posted on 03/23/2012 2:19:10 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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