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George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin case: Neighbors describe watch leader blamed for teen's death
wptv ^ | 3/23/2012

Posted on 03/23/2012 4:58:09 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Current and former neighbors call George Zimmerman caring, passionate and polite, a regular guy they enjoyed being around...

"The portrayal of George Zimmerman in the media, as well as the series of events that led to the tragic shooting, are false and extremely misleading," his father, a retired magistrate judge, wrote in a letter published in the Orlando Sentinel. "Unfortunately, some individuals and organizations have used this tragedy to further their own causes and agendas."

"George is a Spanish-speaking minority with many black family members and friends," Robert Zimmerman wrote. "He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever."

(Excerpt) Read more at wptv.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: obamaagenda; race; trayvonmartin
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To: arrdon
WHY this bozo thought it was proper to do anything other than calling in the cops for cop work I can’t fathom.

Because when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

101 posted on 03/23/2012 7:42:27 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: SoothingDave

Try this:

>http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/zimmerman-was-on-the-ground-being-punched-when-he-shot-trayvon-martin?cid=PROD-redesign-right-next<

From the Charleston Conservative Examiner:

1. The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him.
2. The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help.
3. Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back. All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness.
4. Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martin’s father, who tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his son.


102 posted on 03/23/2012 7:47:25 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: SoothingDave

“Why is he referred to as a thug and a hood-rat”

Who referred to him as a thug and a hood-rat?


103 posted on 03/23/2012 7:47:34 AM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: wtc911

Here you go:

>http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/zimmerman-was-on-the-ground-being-punched-when-he-shot-trayvon-martin?cid=PROD-redesign-right-next<

From the Charleston Conservative Examiner:

1. The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him.
2. The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help.
3. Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back. All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness.
4. Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martin’s father, who tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his son.


104 posted on 03/23/2012 7:48:33 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: SoothingDave

I’m pretty sure Lt. Horatio Caine and his team will get to the bottom of this.


105 posted on 03/23/2012 7:50:12 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: G Larry

Seen it. Not impressed. It doesn’t change the fact that Zimmerman would be fine, and Martin alive, if Zimmerman had simply let the cops handle the big crime of walking through the neighborhood with a hoodie on.


106 posted on 03/23/2012 7:52:10 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: saleman

There have been multiple threads on this subject.


107 posted on 03/23/2012 7:53:33 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: G Larry
None of what you posted states that Martin "surprised and attacked" Zimmerman --- which is what the other poster said the tapes prove.

Witness statements that Zimmerman was losing the fight are probably accurate but they say or prove nothing about who started it.

I've seen plenty of fights where the guy who started it ended up getting his ass kicked.

And the tapes of Zimmerman do show that Martin actively avoided Zimmerman and that Zimmerman actively stalked Martin.

Now, if you can point us to tapes and/or witness statements that do say that Martin attacked Zimmerman then go right ahead...I'm all ears.

108 posted on 03/23/2012 7:56:48 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: dforest
Could it be this Zimmerman person is Hispanic?

Yes, he is Hispanic. Someone posted a link to his pic yesterday.

109 posted on 03/23/2012 8:00:11 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: SoothingDave

No kidding?

You accuse freepers of being racist by calling Martin “a thug and a hood rat” and you can’t even produce one instance of your assertion? BTW I have read several of these threads.

I agree. With the limited amount of information we know about Martin no one can jump to the conclusion he was a bad person.

If anyone has then they are wrong. But don’t include anyone who doesn’t agree with you as being racist.


110 posted on 03/23/2012 8:00:23 AM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: saleman

Did you listen to the dispatcher when he asked ‘are you following him?’ Zimmerman said ‘yes’.

The dispatcher said, “you don’t need to do that.”

That should have ended it and the child would be alive today. Zimmerman was stalking Martin. If anyone needed the protection of the ‘stand your ground’ law, it was Martin. Zimmerman was the aggressor.

I listened to the calls. You need to do the same....rather than make accusations.


111 posted on 03/23/2012 8:01:44 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: SoothingDave
Here's that racism I was talking about.

Where did I mention race? White people can't skulk? Are you trying to be discriminatory?

112 posted on 03/23/2012 8:02:24 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: saleman; Dead Corpse

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2862284/posts

Post 42, “hood-rat” “skulking” and “casing” peoples homes.

None other than our own “Dead Corpse,” who repeats his slanders on this thread. Today he left off the “hood-rat” slur.


113 posted on 03/23/2012 8:05:38 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: GOPJ

Amen......

More urban blacks were murdered with guns in the same time frame as both wars in Iran and Afghanistan.


114 posted on 03/23/2012 8:06:05 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: saleman; SoothingDave
“Why is he referred to as a thug and a hood-rat”

Who referred to him as a thug and a hood-rat?

Maybe it has something to do with the "1,000,000 Hoodie March"?


115 posted on 03/23/2012 8:06:06 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Dead Corpse

You used the “hood-rat” slur yesterday. Own your comments.

Again, if this were a blonde girl walking home from the store and an Hispanic man started chasing her, then ended up shooting her dead, FReepers would be livid.

It’s racism when you interpret a black man walking home from the store as “skulking” and “casing” without any facts to support that.


116 posted on 03/23/2012 8:09:18 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: rarestia

Do you get the feeling that the media is primed and waiting for the right story to over inflate? Fluke vs. Rush, Trayvon vs. Zimmerman

It seems both have really been exposed and deflated. Imagine if and when they find an actual real case to jump on.

The leftist media and politicians are irresponsibly stoking flames of division. They want violence. It is some weird Obama re-election strategy.


117 posted on 03/23/2012 8:09:18 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
"Let’s just adopt a new system: trial by Dave."

No thanks. For me there's too many conflicting facts and statements to determine who was at fault. I wasn't there, and refuse to accept what the press is spoon-feeding us. They always like to tell just part of the story to rile up the masses. According to some articles I've read, the FBI is supposed to be conducting an investigation into the shooting, so I'll wait until they've finished their work on the case.

118 posted on 03/23/2012 8:12:29 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Lancey Howard
Maybe it has something to do with the "1,000,000 Hoodie March"?

So, you agree that wearing a hoodie is reason for suspicion? that it warrants calling someone a "rat?"

Don't be so disingenuous as to not believe that some here equate black with "hood." And not the type you wear on your head.

119 posted on 03/23/2012 8:12:29 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: FreeAtlanta
Do you get the feeling that the media is primed and waiting for the right story to over inflate? Fluke vs. Rush, Trayvon vs. Zimmerman

Just like the Nazis in 1938, then lo and behold, some low-level Nazi flunky gets shot in Paris by a Jew, and then you had Krystallnacht.

120 posted on 03/23/2012 8:13:01 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Dudoight

You said “he was told not to follow him”

So. “You don’t need to do that” is the same thing?

Can’t we just agree that he was not “told not to follow him”?

Cause that was not the case.

I mean, for instance, if I was say, washing my car and my wife said you don’t need to do that. That would be the same as she “told me not to do that”?


121 posted on 03/23/2012 8:17:42 AM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: arrdon
It’s news to me that a neighborhood watch person has any authority to ‘detain’ anybody.

I doubt a neighborhood watch person has any authority under the law at all aside from what any other citizen has. I'm not sure what your point is though as it relates to my response to another poster.

WHY this bozo thought it was proper to do anything other than calling in the cops for cop work I can’t fathom. It’s called neighborhood WATCH, not neighborhood SHOOT.

George Zimmerman wasn't actually on watch that night. He was out on an errand, when he happened tosee Trayvon Martin, and thought it suspicious. If you haven't listened to the 911 tapes, then do so, because I'm guessing that you haven't. Zimmerman doesn't sound unreasonable, angry or racist. Just concerned, and since there had been criminal activity in the area enough to justify this concern by the residents there, Zimmerman's initial actions are not unreasonable. He thought it odd that someone would be in the rain "walking around and looking about." That might catch my eye too if I were in similar circumstances.

The sad part about this is that tensions in this country are so high that ordinary people like Zimmerman thought it best to be cautious rather than just offer the kid a ride and get him out of the rain. Unfortunately, people who don't want to know the facts about this case because they have other agendas will only make the current situation magnitudes worse.

122 posted on 03/23/2012 8:19:54 AM PDT by csense
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To: onedoug
"He’s a “white hispanic” by the media (whatever they are). That makes it okay to pile it on.

Funny isn't it, that the media chooses to portray this guy as both white and hispanic, but using his white race first in their description of him. Yet when it comes to Obama, they only portray him as being black. If they stayed true to form, he should be called white/black.

123 posted on 03/23/2012 8:23:06 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: saleman

Or, for instance, you get up to get another beer and the wife says “you don’t need to do that.”


124 posted on 03/23/2012 8:24:46 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

“Hence, the neighborhood watch.
Note, the word is “watch,” not “accost.””

If I have read previous postings here on FR correctly (including one that summarized the police report of what [they believe] happened), the “accosting” was done by -Martin-, who jumped on Zimmerman as he (Zimmerman) was walking back to his truck. Martin then pushed Zimmerman to the ground and was beating him. It was AFTER these events that Zimmerman managed to get to his gun, and fired.

Who be accostin’ who?


125 posted on 03/23/2012 8:26:14 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: SoothingDave

She wouldn’t do that. She would get up and get it for me!

I got a keeper.


126 posted on 03/23/2012 8:28:26 AM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: Dudoight

“Zimmerman was told not to follow Martin”

Wrong.

When Zimmerman called 911 to report what was transpiring, the 911 people did not “tell him” (i.e., order him) to stop following Martin. They -suggested- that he didn’t need to do that.

Zimmerman was not “told” nor was he “ordered” by anyone in an official capacity to back off.

As the saying goes, you have a right to your own opinion.
You DO NOT have a right to your own facts.


127 posted on 03/23/2012 8:29:27 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: SoothingDave
Don't be so disingenuous as to not believe that some here equate black with "hood." And not the type you wear on your head.

I understand that this story evokes passionate opinions and rhetoric, but there's no reason to impugn people. You asked a question and I attempted to provide a possible answer.

That said, of course I realize some people equate "hood" with black. I have no idea why that would be.
It's a mystery.

128 posted on 03/23/2012 8:30:56 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Dudoight
"Zimmerman was told not to follow Martin."

Wrong. He was told by the call taker: “you don’t need to do that.” According to a statement by the City Manager of Sanford: "The call taker’s suggestion is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmerman would be required to follow." He goes on to say: "Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon."

City Manager Statement

129 posted on 03/23/2012 8:32:28 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: mass55th
Yet when it comes to Obama, they only portray him as being black. If they stayed true to form, he should be called white/black.

So, if Ubama joined Fight Club...
Nevermind.. My brain is exploding.

130 posted on 03/23/2012 8:34:04 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: rarestia

The last I heard, the official FBI hate crime statistics lists “Hispanic on Black” crime as “White on Black.”


131 posted on 03/23/2012 8:34:21 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (The only flaw is that America doesn't recognize Cyber's omniscience. -- sergeantdave)
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To: Lancey Howard

I just use Occam’s razor instead of trying to figure out why people are not what they appear.

Your disingenuousness has been noted.


132 posted on 03/23/2012 8:38:52 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: saleman

Good for you! Remember, men marry women hoping they don’t change and vice versa.


133 posted on 03/23/2012 8:41:19 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Lancey Howard
"Nevermind.. My brain is exploding. "

Welcome to the club.

134 posted on 03/23/2012 8:41:19 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: lastchance
From the photos at least Zimmerman looks to outweigh Martin.

True but the media is using photos of Martin when he was younger. Martin was a football player and probably stronger.

Wouldn’t most people figure the reasonable thing to do was to let the cops handle this person? Wouldn’t most people if they thought a person under the influence of drugs might have a weapon figure the reasonable thing to do was to stay away from that person?

Yes and yes, but perhaps Zimmerman was just trying to keep an eye on where he was going. It's possible that Martin escalated the situation and became the aggressor.

135 posted on 03/23/2012 9:01:40 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: bert
More urban blacks were murdered with guns in the same time frame as both wars in Iran and Afghanistan.

And almost ALL of those murders were by FELLOW BLACK MEN.

Where's the MSM, liberal elites, and black vigilante mobs for those killings? Those murders don't benefit the liberal elite... and the MSM is veeeeery quiet... They know what to push and what to be quiet about. (Link at bottom)

This might be racist - but I'm starting to feel that blacks are the easiest group to play for fools. Liberal elites had a former KKK member running the Senate and blacks never caught on ...

We should make a list of all the times they've been played.

Flash to the black community - the problem with young black men being murdered is YOUNG BLACK MEN ARE KILLERS. And the press covers for their own political reasons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080

136 posted on 03/23/2012 9:02:46 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: SoothingDave
...of course I realize some people equate "hood" with black.

"I just use Occam’s razor"

Ahh.. I see.

137 posted on 03/23/2012 9:09:12 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: csense
Unfortunately, people who don't want to know the facts about this case because they have other agendas will only make the current situation magnitudes worse.

_____________________________________

On both sides.

138 posted on 03/23/2012 9:18:41 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Moonman62
It's possible that Martin escalated the situation and became the aggressor.

______________________________________

What we know is that an un-armed Martin tried to get away from the stranger who was stalking him by car and on foot. Zimmerman says so himself on the tape. That is action to avoid confrontation.

We also know from the tape that an armed Zimmerman followed and pursued Martin. That is an aggressive action.

This desire to turn the actions around baffles me.....not really.

139 posted on 03/23/2012 9:23:49 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: GOPJ
According to DOJ crime statistics, blacks are 12% of the population, but commit 50% of the murders.
140 posted on 03/23/2012 9:39:25 AM PDT by Joe the Pimpernel (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to slaughter anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: wtc911
What other side would there be other than those who are not in posession of the facts?
141 posted on 03/23/2012 9:40:26 AM PDT by csense
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To: wtc911

“Martin tried to get away from the stranger”
That’s one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it was he was running away cause he was up to no good. But we don’t have any evidence of that. Either.

“who was stalking him by car and on foot. Zimmerman says so himself on the tape”

Zimmerman said he was stalking him? That’s a new one.

“We also know from the tape that an armed Zimmerman followed and pursued Martin”

Followed, yes. Pursued? I guess that depends on your agenda. Anything illegal or sinister about following a suspicious person in your neighborhood?


142 posted on 03/23/2012 9:45:01 AM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: Joe the Pimpernel
According to DOJ crime statistics, blacks are 12% of the population, but commit 50% of the murders.

Odd how the MSM doesn't include that kind of information in their breathless victim stories./s

Thanks for sharing, Joe. Facts and truth matter to conservatives - that's a nice thing about us:)

143 posted on 03/23/2012 9:49:05 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: wtc911; Jack Hydrazine
Want to shut me up? Show the witness tapes/statements that say that Martin attacked Zimmerman.
WTC911, all I hear is crickets. I guess Jack doesn't want you to shut up.
144 posted on 03/23/2012 10:11:23 AM PDT by Clara Lou (ABO! Go Newt!)
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To: FreeAtlanta
Imagine if and when they find an actual real case to jump on.

Append to that: "that suits their political agenda" and you've got a point.

Fast and Furious, Solyndra, Obama's eligibility... these are all blockbuster issues that the MSM refuse to cover because they are NOT politically expedient to their cause.

145 posted on 03/23/2012 10:13:19 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Road Glide; saleman

Okay...fine...but if Zimmerman was following him, Zimmerman was the aggressor. And...we have it from Zimmerman’s mouth that he was following him.


146 posted on 03/23/2012 10:25:08 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Cyber Liberty

I’m regularly amused by candid chats with shop owners and gas station attendants. It’s really mind-boggling how the black community can be so castigated and seen as almost universally criminal. White, Hispanic, Asian, Indian, Arab, and even other black shop owners consistently tell the tale that when a black patron walks through their doors, they are more likely to follow them or watch them than they are to watch a white, Hispanic, Asian, Indian, or Arab person.

Blacks are seen as criminals in this country for some reason or another, yet despite over a century of freedom and decades of “equality,” they’re no better off, some would even say they’re WORSE off.

The black community thrives on misery. They thrive on the bully pulpit garbage that the likes of Sharpton, Farrakhan, and Obama sling on a regular basis. If blacks would realize that they have just as much opportunity with hard work as the likes of Sowell, Cain, and West, perhaps they would be cast down much less often than they do already. They’ve been free for centuries, yet they still think they’re second-class citizens. That’s an issue of self-identification, not truth.


147 posted on 03/23/2012 10:25:58 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: wtc911
What we know is that an un-armed Martin tried to get away from the stranger who was stalking him by car and on foot. Zimmerman says so himself on the tape. That is action to avoid confrontation.

And then what happened?

We also know from the tape that an armed Zimmerman followed and pursued Martin. That is an aggressive action.

Was he walking or running? Was he doing anything in particular that was aggressive or illegal?

148 posted on 03/23/2012 10:33:00 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Clara Lou; Jack Hydrazine

Jack ain’t got jack.


149 posted on 03/23/2012 10:34:02 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Moonman62
Police Report: Zimmerman was bleeding from a head wound to the BACK of his head. Doesn't that indicate to even the most stupid that he was hit from behind! Face was bleeding, wouldn't that also indicate that he was beaten. Further reports were that he was yelling for help (victims father denied that the voice on the 911 tape was his sons. Maybe all the girlie-boys need to get their facts straight before arriving at a decision.
150 posted on 03/23/2012 10:39:42 AM PDT by JayAr36
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